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[VFP]

Hey VFP, why were you so passive about my "inevitable elimination" yesterday and yet today you're gunnin for blood?

Because a lot has happened since then?
I'm not sure what town you is arguing/implying here? That I tried to stop a lim on you and just wanted to push a Gera lim instead?
I can be scum for town you, but not for what you're going for.

[VFP]

I'm still unclear to who you think my buddy is.
The only one for town you should be Titus. I'm voting Titus so why not just lim my buddy and play for the lim on me tomorrow?
If its A50 you think as scum, I can't be scum. Both voting Gera like that yesterday would be borderline game throwing.
Me and Lotus is impossible because it would mean RB is confirmed and Lotus was a green check.
Me and Clidd are plausible in the sense of maybe we were forced to vote Gera, but if anyone thinks that Clidd is scum here you're either town not trying or scum.

The only 2 buddies for A50 can be Lotus and Titus
Solon clearing a buddy night 1 is too risky and nothing had reason to do so.
So A50 scum means Titus scum.

These are you're only realistic options if town
Me / Titus
A50 / Titus

Titus has just given up in this game by the looks of it.

[Flea The Magician]

I love how people focus on a game solve when I push a single person.

Its almost like you expect me to be informed or something.

Yes, there are connections, and thank you for answering your own question for me.

You're also echoing a lot of what I've already said phrased as though you're suggesting it.

You're looking busy, but in reality you're just using information that's already out there. And you're using abstractions as justification which aren't relevant or even mentioned.

[VFP]

The fact you just keep avoiding that Titus is always scum to town you just means you are scum with them.
There's not a lot more for us to discuss though since you just want to avoid this.

Titus RB
Flea goon

N1 worried that Solon was baiting a visit, targeted elsewhere
Amelie blocks VT
Alice kills

N2 amelie blocks A50
Flea kills

N3 Titus blocks A50
Flea kills

Scum talk about giving up.
Titus actually gives up.

How am I doing?

[Flea The Magician]

Miles off.

What you're conveniently neglecting is I've opened on titus scum, I've kept with titus scum, I'm half pushing titus scum....

Theres still another out there, isnt there VFP?

[VFP]

You are not pushing on Titus.
You say it's within me, A50 and Titus... Yet the only one you haven't voted for is Titus here.

I do not believe that you ever vote Titus today.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry would you like a token vote to happen here or....

I'm waiting on something specific from Titus. I've said this. It will either happen, or it will not.

Right now, you're screaming "agenda!" to me trying to get my elimination. You tried the apathetic "oh woe! this elimination cannot be stopped!" approach yesterday, now you're going ham on it.

[Flea The Magician]

*going ham on pushing my elimination

[VFP]

Yet I'm voting Titus and not you.
So again, what you're saying doesn't add up.

You just know that flipping Titus as a RB is a loss.
It goes to 5 players after the NK with only me and you being the 2 out of 5 lim options.

[Flea The Magician]

There's multiple approaches to doing something ya know.

You're pushing me pretty hard now, and yeah your vote is on Titus, but you stink of agenda.

[VFP]

There's multiple approaches to doing something ya know.

You're pushing me pretty hard now, and yeah your vote is on Titus, but you stink of agenda.

Well you still haven't given me reason to think I'm wrong.
For a someone who has a scum pool, you are pretty happy to just sit with a vote on me and not even attempt actually sort else where.
Your posts are empty and desperate.

If you really want to convince me that you're town (since its plausible we are both wrong here) then start by giving scum pairing possibilities.
I have a total of 3. How many do you have?
Let's see if you are willing to even look like you want to solve the game.

[Flea The Magician]

You're here and now, A50 isn't, and Titus isn't.

So I can prod and poke you, see how it rolls.

So far, you're an echo chamber. You've just said to me mostly what I've already said, and magically rephrased it as an original thought.

I'm also not a performing magician, I do what I want, as I want. You know that. I don't have to convince you that I'm town at all, that you're demanding so much of me is amusing.

I've given my pool, that pool contains 3+1 people. That creates 8 teams. I've looked at votes, added bias based on VCA, removed myself from the pool because hey I know I'm flipping green, that leaves 3 people and 3 teams with pre-weighted biases. I've adjusted slightly based on reads after that.

Sooooo, bite me? I've given all you've asked for, i've even given you the information you're spewing. My working has been shown for the most part.

Wheres yours?

[VFP]

Lets tone down for a moment while we discuss. I'm giving us both an opportunity to get a clear understanding of each other and our thoughts if town.

To to confirm your possible teams are the below?
Me + Titus
Me + A50
Titus + A50

My 3 possible teams are
You + Titus. This is my favoured one and it lines up better than any with N2 scum actions.
Titus + A50. This is the backup team if you're town. Both just adding nothing since joining in.
You + A50. This is just what I see as a possibility. I don't think this is the case but it's there.

So we both agree that A50 clearing a scum buddy on N1 isn't happening, right?

Okay unless I got confused with your 3 above let's move on unless you want to discuss more there.

If you had to choose, was Gretchen killed for the role or the reads? This isn't a loaded question before you ask.

[Flea The Magician]

Allow me to visualise this for you.

This is where I started. 3+1 PoE.

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	Flea ------------------ VFP
	  |  \                 / |
	  |    \             /   |
	  |      \         /     |
	  |        \     /       |
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	  |          / \         |
	  |        /     \       |
	  |      /         \     |
	  |    /             \   |
	  |  /                 \ |
	Titus ----------------- A50
  

A50(The +1) is "clear" by virtue of PR and clears Lotus I have heavy bias towards town here. A50, iirc, hates scum roles and disengages on them. Explains why they're fairly quiet here, and the RB from the blue is hella sus. But I'm not able to quite so firmly connect him with either of you currently.

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    Flea ------------------ VFP
      |  \                 / 
      |    \             /   
      |      \         /     |
      |        \     /       
      |          \ /          
      |          / \         |
      |        /     \        
      |      /         \     
      |    /             \   | 
      |  /                 \ 
    Titus -   -   -   -   - A50

I know my alignment, and lets face it I shouldn't be considering myself in this anyway, but as it stands, I'm in the PoE. I ain't self-voting unless we need the hammer. So this gets flattened.

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         A50
		       
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	Titus ----- VFP

My Biases applied, we go

Titus

, Based on NK we go either you or

A50

.


Gretchen Kill was a coinflip between her and A50 as the remaining target. A50 dies tonight otherwise he's almost confscum, honestly.

I'm also happy to swap you and titus around as needed

[VFP]

Why does the NK on Pooky go towards me and not towards Titus here though?

But it wasn't a coin flip of Gretcdhen or A50, it was also Pooky. So I assume you are going with the kill was because of the role rather than reads (correct me if I'm wrong of course).
Gretchen's role outed day 1 is very weak all game. It means that scum can play to Gretchens reads concerning the kill.

The problem with comments like A50 is almost confirmed scum if not killed tonight, and if actually town is A) scum lining up a mis lim to win B) town lining up a mis lim to lose.

Example. Me and Titus as scum together. Now all we have to do is lim you then not kill A50. It's a win.

Something I struggle with as well is if you're town how you even consider me and A50 as a possibility.
For us to be scum together we actively wanted to lim Gera over a mis lim. As I said, that play is borderline going against our wincon. With how it would have been carried out.

[Not_Mafia]

VC 4.02

Titus (1)-

VFP

Flea The Magician (1)-

RLotus

VFP (1)-

Flea the Magician

RLotus (0)-

clidd (0)-

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

Titus, clidd, LlamaFluff, Almost50

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-22 18:00:00)

- Apr 22nd 18:00 GMT

[Flea The Magician]

Why does the NK on Pooky go towards me and not towards Titus here though?

But it wasn't a coin flip of Gretcdhen or A50, it was also Pooky. So I assume you are going with the kill was because of the role rather than reads (correct me if I'm wrong of course).
Gretchen's role outed day 1 is very weak all game. It means that scum can play to Gretchens reads concerning the kill.

The problem with comments like A50 is almost confirmed scum if not killed tonight, and if actually town is A) scum lining up a mis lim to win B) town lining up a mis lim to lose.

Example. Me and Titus as scum together. Now all we have to do is lim you then not kill A50. It's a win.

Something I struggle with as well is if you're town how you even consider me and A50 as a possibility.
For us to be scum together we actively wanted to lim Gera over a mis lim. As I said, that play is borderline going against our wincon. With how it would have been carried out.

I love that you're adding and responding to things I havent said <3

Kill was for the role, gotta take them PRs out. Beyond that, i can wifom all day about galaxy brain plays.

If we are TvsT, scums laughing, jsyk. But we're not are we

Now you're missing a VERY important word in what I said, you've said it yourself and you're acting as though it's not there, and that word, is almost.

That means that not completely, but mostly.

49 is almost 50... you see what I'm getting at here? You're dealing in absolutes when I am leaving margin for error and reassessment.

You're echoing most of what i've said already.

You're literally adding things I haven't said.

You've gone from "oh woe is me, this elimination is unpreventable... " to "this lim is happening nardweasels."

Why does the NK on Pooky go towards me and not towards Titus here though?

I never implied either, I don't do NKA - because i'm not good at it.

But sure, lets entertain i am scum...

Gretch is mislim potential.
Pooks apathy was townkilling.
Llamas apathy is townkilling.
A50s apathy is townkilling.
Lotus appearing in a wisp and gone just as quick isn't worth paying attention to.
Clidd is an enigma and is only clear by virtue of the geraintm interactions.
You're funny, honestly.
I'm always an easy lim, especially after a shove like the one on DGB.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and Titus, titus is an absolute beast as town.

and like I said... I'm waiting to see something specific from her.

Optimal play at this point is try not to bus, but leave room for the 180 and hammer the lim for the town cred and denial of talk time.

[VFP]

Even when I say let's tone it down and discuss normally Flea, You just have to post like that.
So okay I'm done talking to you this game my votes are locked on you and Titus.
Pretty funny I give you an entire boat to help understand you, and you still fall out of the side.

If anyone else wants discussion then sure.
I'm telling you now though that Titus RB and Flea is Goon. Just look over what is obvious.

[Flea The Magician]

Hey you wanna play games I'll play games, I don't take kindly to people who not only talk down to me, but who then try putting words in my mouth

[Almost50]

Actually forgot that A50 claimed odd night. Stuff makes more sense then. Scum either in that case kill Pooky and clear me or (if A50 is town) kill him and clear Lotus. That probably also means that Lotus is not a false clear (outside of scum with A50) as they would have just taken out A50 first, blocked Pooky and that essentially sends Lotus straight to a F3.

Dear Sir;

If I was Scum I'd certainly shoot the PR that can act every night over the one that can't act the next night, just in case my RB gets chopped on that specific day.

Let's see.. kill A50 >> Confirm Lotus. RB eats rope next and I -presumably a Goon- have to shoot Pooky (which also confirms Llama) and now I got to face 2 living confirmed townies on D5.

Kill Pooky though >> Confirm Llama.. RB eats rope next and I only need to shoot Llama on N4 bc A50 cannot produce a result anyway. I'd worry about A50 on N5 (and there always a chance Llama will push A50 and we can get rid of him by day so I -the Goon- will shoot one of Llama/Lotus on N4 and face only one confirmed Townie on D5 instead of 2.

Other than that, I have nothing more to say except what VPN already pointed out. I joined the game on D2 but totally forgot that I did and didn't check back in until it was D3. I claimed on D3. For all the scum knew on N2 I was "someone who could produce results". They neither knew my role nor my modifier.

[clidd]

Town!Titus would have read my interactions with Gera and came to the conclusion that the chance of T|S was low.

I don't read upon subbing in. To hold me to that standard is scummy.

@Mod

Titus's last post was almost 3 days ago.

[clidd]

Vfp has been acting in good faith in the discussion above, so I don't understand what Flea is seeing.

[clidd]

Although I particularly wanted to focus on eliminating a slot most likely to be scum (Titus), I feel that Flea will bring a lot more information to the game due to the amount of interactions fae has, regardless of alignment.

But it'll still depend on whether Titus will be replaced or not, as well as the potential successor.

[clidd]

What bothers me is Titus not even trying, even though the scenario is unfavorable to scum!Titus.

She's the kind of person that I imagine doesn't give up so easily. Her current absence is uncharacteristic.