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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:39 am

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JDodge wrote:In conclusion, the scum are KR and Moospiker, who is making a really poor attempt at a bus.
what makes you so sure about this? the only way you can know who the scum are is if you are one yourself. and since i don't see your name in there at one of the scum, its either a lie, or a guess, so what makes you so certain?
charter wrote:Yes, quite sure Moospiker is scum.
why?

also i just realized that moospiker is at L-1. no accidental lynches.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:51 pm

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Avinyl (1)- afatchic
KrisReizer (1)- starrie
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:36 pm

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Mod- KaHuJo was replaced by Avinyl, so his vote shouldn't be up there.

and i didn't realize that starrie had unvoted so its not an L-1 on moospiker.

and i found where you explained why you think moospiker is scum, so you don't have to answer that charter.

moospiker why did you ask for a role claim that early?
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:53 am

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Because I'm an idiot, and still learning how forum mafia is different from face-to-face mafia.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:58 am

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Moospiker wrote:Because I'm an idiot, and still learning how forum mafia is different from face-to-face mafia.
i don't like this comment, if any type of mafia you should never ask for a claim that quickly.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:35 am

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Well, I play very differently face-to-face. Anything is plausable. Well, maybe I shouldn't have asked for a claim. I'm still improving to become a better player. My playstyle is one that many don't like.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:43 am

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Hm. I am unsure about Moospiker. rereading, he doesn't feel as scummy as before.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:50 am

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Hm. I am unsure about Moospiker. rereading, he doesn't feel as scummy as before.
you seem to be jumping around a lot, but why doesn't he feel as scummy as before? im still unsure about him but in the opposite way, his remarks just sound like an agrevated newb scum to me.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:37 pm

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i will be V/la friday -monday
however i should be able to get in one post a day.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:17 am

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Ummm... where is everyone? Surely this game should have picked up by now.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:21 am

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I'm voting for who I think is scum. Your explaination for why you asked for a claim is terrible. Unless you can explain a pro town reason for asking for a claim there, I'm probably going to keep voting for you.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:57 am

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charter i agree, i don't like it when people use the excuse that im new and im just now learning. while it may be true, its a terrible excuse because it can't be proven or countered. my suspicion is def. on moospiker, and if his play doesn't start acting more like a townie to me then i may very well put him at L-1.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:27 am

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afatchic wrote:charter i agree, i don't like it when people use the excuse that im new and im just now learning.
Oh, like how you did in Newbie 663?


My reasons for asking for a role claim that it's what I'm used too, and I'm sorry if you don't like how I did that.

But seriously, that's the truth. I have no other input on this. If you don't believe me, that's up to you.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:25 am

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i realize that can be the reason, however i don't like when people automatically jump to that excuse. and i understand that could possibly be a reason, which is why you don't have my vote yet. i know i used it, but looking back its a pathetic excuse, and i made attempts to also defend myself in other ways. all in all.. don't use the newb excuse.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:16 pm

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Damn! Please, can everyone post a bit more? Quickly?

Yes, I know I'm lurking too.

Afatchic, point taken.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:25 am

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Sorry, but I'm having internet problems right now. I'll post everything after it's fixed.
Moo, why did you mention that newbie game?
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:55 am

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Because I was reading it, and I noticed that afatchic was always playing the 'I'm a newbie' card and then accuses me of trying to throw suspicion off myself by using the same card.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:57 am

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Moospiker wrote:Because I was reading it, and I noticed that afatchic was always playing the 'I'm a newbie' card and then accuses me of trying to throw suspicion off myself by using the same card.
the difference is that i was at a newbie game, where i should be if i am going to play the newb card, you are at a mini game and being a "mafia scum" i have a hard time believing the newbie card.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:06 am

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Prodding Jdodge and KrisReizer
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:23 pm

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Yes Moo, using the newbie card in a mini does not work. Plus, it's scumlogic along the lines of not defending youself when someone accuses you.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:26 pm

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charter wrote:Yes Moo, using the newbie card in a mini does not work. Plus, it's scumlogic along the lines of not defending youself when someone accuses you.
what i was trying to get at...lol
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:12 pm

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JDodge wrote:
KrisReizer wrote:
JDodge wrote: Yet you don't have to give anything to support your claims?
I gave specific instances and an analysis. You've given sentences that disagree and do nothing else.
You've had your claims disproven by short, concise lines of logic, and you then continue to argue that they're true
despite
them being complete bullshit. And
you know it
.
Given that you are the one defending against my claim, maybe you should provide some evidence. Looking at your posts thus far, you seem to have a problem with it. Quote, if you please, instances where you have given "short, concise lines of logic" or I will quote where you have failed to do so.
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JDodge wrote:
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I may have misread your statement. By 'stir the pot', I assumed you meant that you agreed about the alternative uses of voting. If this was not the case, you may say so, and I'll happily drop this particular line.
Not the case.
All right, given that I was correct about your meaning, you have contradicted yourself. Why did you change your opinion so suddenly? And, in case you want to ask me for evidence, go ahead and look at my last post to refresh your memory.
JESUS. FUCKING. CHRIST. YOU ASK IF IT WAS THE CASE OR IF YOU WERE MISTAKEN, I SAY YOU'RE MISTAKEN, YOU CONTINUE ON AS IF I SAID YOU WEREN'T.
I would like to begin this section with a profuse apology. I misread you entirely in an incredibly stupid way. I am sorry and I was wrong. That said, you seem to be seriously overreacting lately. This is a case of frustration, sure, but you shouldn't let anger get the best of you.
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JDodge wrote:
Of course! It's not
lying
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not being entirely truthful
. And did you just say you'd misdirect the town to make anyone you think scum appear scummy?
Don't take me out of context. I said that misdirection must be used if a non-scum player is to be lynched because they are not scum and will behave as such. Therefore, only scum benefit from lying.
So... how exactly does stopping a
non-scum lynch
benefit scum?

And don't swap the names on the quotes around like you did in your original post (I've since restored them), it's a really sneaky and underhanded way of distancing yourself from your own statements.
My apologies again. That was a mistake; the quote trees are getting quite complex by this point.

As to your point, a non-scum lynch does not require lying. Townies will act like townies, and scum will act like scum. Therefore, lying can be used only to make scum look like town and vice versa. Only scum would benefit from that situation.
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KR wrote: How? Opinions prove nothing; they are absolutely subjective. Evidence is what shows guilt.
The only evidence that exists is what exists in the mod's posts. Show me where in the mod's posts that it says "X is scum" or "Y is town" or what have you, and I'll give you that.
All your so-called "evidence" is just as subjective as an opinion.
The evidence to which I referred is the votes and the posts of the players. Using those to formulate an argument is the only way to expose scum. Your opinions, which you have admitted them to be, amount to an argument that states only "YOu are wrong because I feel like you are".
JDodge wrote:
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JDodge wrote: This is the bullshit I was talking about. I said that you have to "stir the soup", which you can do
just as easily without voting
, then you attribute it to voting. You're dense.
Don't blame me just because you can't explain yourself properly. It's a basic tactic to use a vote to put pressure on someone, just look at any game on this site. I'll agree that there are methods of pressure that don't involve a vote, but seeing how much you squirmed as soon as I made mine, I'm happy with my choice.
I defended myself against bullshit claims. Don't blame me for you being a blithering nitwit.
Insults are hardly a proper rebuttal. You have no other way to defend yourself, so you put up this feeble attempt to deter me. You acted irrationally and my vote stands.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:43 pm

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Moospiker wrote:
afatchic wrote: My reasons for asking for a role claim that it's what I'm used too, and I'm sorry if you don't like how I did that.

But seriously, that's the truth. I have no other input on this. If you don't believe me, that's up to you.
This is a weak argument. What you're attempting to do is squelch a counter-argument by removing yourself from the discussion. In general, it only makes you appear more scummy.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:26 am

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Moospiker wrote:I have no other input on this. If you don't believe me, that's up to you.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:42 am

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Moospiker wrote:Nope, not OMGUS. I believe JDodge is scum.
Still looking for these reasons. And why you only vote JDodge after he votes for you. You don't give any more reasons why you suspect him, so it seems like the reason you voted was OMGUS.

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