Micro 1008: Burdened by Secrecy 2 (Paragon + Town Win)

[Klaus Hargreeves]

What do you mean by this? What was your thought process when you sent this, i suppose more specifically

Allison made like no attempt to hide their tone and pretty much outed. Which resulted in us rushing a shitty elim.

It's Lila, she suggested this weird baton strategy because her partner was inactive, then kept pressuring us to vote. Vanya is town from jump-starting this game into actual scum hunting.

I don't see Lila/Vanya though, that'd be one hell of a scum theatre.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

also, how obvious was my identity?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

HECTICCCCCCC

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I'm Morning doing impressions of the following:

Flea
Flea pretending to be bugs
Bugs pretending to be Flea
OkaPoka
GeorgeBailey (this one was really poor im sorry abt that)
Someone pretending to be me

god damnit i thought you were also flea.

so uh... earlier. When I said I was trying to impersonate Five...... lol.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

also, how obvious was my identity?

Bugs gave themself away instantaneously (5) - self explanatory

Oka gave himself away in his third post (14) - no one else uses "u" so religiously (among other shortened slang like plz). Also gave the appearance of trying to obfuscate identity which i didnt expect Flea/bugs to really try to do

Flea gave faeself away in faer second post (22) - "Are you the scums again" just doesnt seem like a sentence you could easily come up with as not flea

You're the only player who wasn't given away on the first page but i had the advantage of PoE. i did notice the two emoticons (>.<) and (:<) but i elected to ignore them in favour of Five being clearly flea -- but before Five posted i didnt know who you were

I think realistically as paragon I wouldn't have been able to tell the diff between GeorgeBailey and Morning on the first page. Mayyyybe you could take into account how Vanya did multiple impressions which would be pretty high effort for something pretty unimportant which is like my motto in life, so overall i think you probably obfuscated your identity the best actually

[Vanya Hargreeves]

yes, strokes beard , ahh you have indeed have a sharp eye young one, finding the hidden clues and deeper meanings of my posts. mmh.

i had the same idea to hide someone elses name in a poem but i am not as lyrically gifted as you are sadly

verrrry nice crumb tho

[Vanya Hargreeves]

why is nancy alt guessing

[Vanya Hargreeves]

koba

do you not know that five is town?

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING

[Vanya Hargreeves]

What do you mean by this? What was your thought process when you sent this, i suppose more specifically

Allison made like no attempt to hide their tone and pretty much outed. Which resulted in us rushing a shitty elim.

It's Lila, she suggested this weird baton strategy because her partner was inactive, then kept pressuring us to vote. Vanya is town from jump-starting this game into actual scum hunting.

I don't see Lila/Vanya though, that'd be one hell of a scum theatre.

I agree that was bad of them for town's chances

If you were aware that Alli's behaviour necessitated a shitty elim, why were you so surprised when we rushed it through?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Hm...

Do you think Lila asking "Who between Five/Alli is the better carry?" was a forced question?

The more obvious question to ask would be, who is more likely scum. We already had consensus that Alli was scummier -- and yet, Lila killed Five because Five would "be a more useful town IC asset" and is "scarier at scum", essentially

We were getting to a point where:

A.) an elim had to happen IMMEDIATELY, we were gonna die to paragon guess if we didnt. That meant Five/Alli were the only targets
and
B.) Five had one townlean from me and no other content -- Alli was suspected by both Klaus and I

Had Klaus or I been picked to do the elimination, we definitely would have killed Alli. I don't think Klaus could have wormed out of it and I know I would have done it easily (it'd have also been even harder for me to worm out of it when i townread Five).

[Vanya Hargreeves]

vanya whats ur read on five

actually vanya who is the better carry out of alli and five

Something really interesting is that it seems Lila was unaware i was townreading Five so maybe that's why he gave me the elimination choice. I was pretty much a total wildcard

If the team is Lila/Alli this is definitely *the* forced thought process Lila had to do

HOWEVER

The only problem left is that Lila did give me the ability to choose the elim at first, and at the time who did it seem like I'd pick? ....

how the fuck did you follow the 7pm instructions perfectly but dO AND say nothing both when they were given adn wwhen you arrived?

mm ya ok thx

VOTE: Klaus sorry i dont buy that

OK. Be real with me here. Is the team Klaus/Allison?

Or is it perhaps Lila with one of those two?

Five, I'm really counting on you here.

i pick vanya

I suspected Klaus, Lila, Allison. Basically everyone but Five. It seems like I suspected Klaus most heavily as well at the time.

BUT!!!!!! WE CAN SEE THAT LILA WAS UNAWARE I TOWNREAD FIVE! WHICH MEANS!!!!!!!!!

When Lila gave me the elimination or elimination picker, it was most likely I would choose to execute Klaus, followed by a tie between everyone else. It's the safest option possible if Klaus is town and team is Alli/Lila. Picking Klaus would have been the riskiest option given they townread Lila/Vanya and scumread Alli

[Vanya Hargreeves]

When Lila gave me the elimination or elimination picker, it was most likely I would choose to execute Klaus, followed by a tie between everyone else. It's the safest option possible if Klaus is town and team is Alli/Lila.

Picking Klaus would have been riskier than giving it to me by FAR, given Klaus townread Lila/Vanya and scumread Alli

edited for clarity

[Five Hargreeves]

Flea gave faeself away in faer second post (22) - "Are you the scums again" just doesnt seem like a sentence you could easily come up with as not flea

You're the only player who wasn't given away on the first page but i had the advantage of PoE. i did notice the two emoticons (>.<) and (:<) but i elected to ignore them in favour of Five being clearly flea -- but before Five posted i didnt know who you were

wat.

Flea is not the only person to use emoticons....

Flea is probably the only one to make emoticons a thing and Kaomojis are an instant giveaway admittedly...

And since when is 22 the only thing that can come from my mind?!

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Flea gave faeself away in faer second post (22) - "Are you the scums again" just doesnt seem like a sentence you could easily come up with as not flea

You're the only player who wasn't given away on the first page but i had the advantage of PoE. i did notice the two emoticons (>.<) and (:<) but i elected to ignore them in favour of Five being clearly flea -- but before Five posted i didnt know who you were

wat.

Flea is not the only person to use emoticons....

Flea is probably the only one to make emoticons a thing and Kaomojis are an instant giveaway admittedly...

And since when is 22 the only thing that can come from my mind?!

No -- you see those two emoticons are at the top of your most recent posts. If someone were to try and impersonate you, it'd be likely they use those. I have them in my own document. You have it right, that's why i didnt trust those being an indicator of you.

Also I'm not saying 22 is the only thing that can come from your mind, I'm saying it's too creative for someone to impersonate easily. i think you're hard to imitate

[Lila Pitts]

look i could address ur speculation about me being scum but i think its fairly evident that going down that path requires too much tinfoil

the very creation of the baton passing should be evidence enough im town, ive created a plot device for all of us to analyze, if i were to make a religious metaphor, im basically God because I've created meaning out of nothing.

now im not that arrogant to think im god, but i think jesus is apt for me.

@vanya you should watch les mis

@klaus ur identity was poe 50/50 for me

[Lila Pitts]

with that being said i never expected to get 'u' analyzed wtf

[Vanya Hargreeves]

The alternative is as follows: Klaus receives the baton but knows he can't use the kill since it'd have to be Alli -- so he hands it to Lila for her to pick.

Klaus' confusion about what we were doing exactly makes this kind of messy cause I never really passed the baton to him and I'm not sure he realized killing someone was an option or not

But it's still possible nonetheless

[Lila Pitts]

i think this is as simple as

is vanya town? if yes its klaus/allison, if no its klaus/vanya

[Lila Pitts]

i know a 50/50 isn't 'simple' but i think if ive played with tweet a lot id be fairly confident in their alignment by now

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i think this is as simple as

is vanya town? if yes its klaus/allison, if no its klaus/vanya

yea i think the game is solved for you if you're town, im both happy and envious of town!you

@vanya you should watch les mis

also will do sometime tbh assuming it's on netflix

[Lila Pitts]

snaileybailey post more plz im bored tbh and i want to guess ur identity

[Hectic]

Why would you do this again

[Hectic]

Alright, I want to reread this game while actually knowing the identities, so:

Lila - Oka
Vanya - Morning
Allison - bugspray
Five - Flea
Klaus - GeorgeBailey

Correct?

[Hectic]

I actually love how Morning imitated Flea and bugspray so well in the first 2 pages, should've figured that was Morning doing her research

Even dropped this oka morsel probably because of what I said in the paragon PT last time lol

klaus, five, where are thou

[Hectic]

VOTE: Klaus Reevaluting identities... I think I'm better with a Klaus exe.

Strange, what had GeorgeBailey done that was scummy for him?

i took fives identity into account but forgot about klausssssssss (xωx)

oki so klaus wouldnt be here regardless of alignment, five is more likely to play as scum FROM WHTA I CAN TEL...?

Nice distorted Morning impression

how the fuck did you follow the 7pm instructions perfectly but dO AND say nothing both when they were given adn wwhen you arrived?

mm ya ok thx

VOTE: Klaus sorry i dont buy that

Not sure about this

who the fuckm am i voting fr again

Hello again, bugspray

Maybe it's Alli and Alli really is burnt out on being a scumbutt.

Titus?

Five is usually pretty high effort as scum. I've seen openwolfing, I've seen deepwolfing...

ehh i think i can outtown both of you and im pretty confident in this dynamic lets be safe
VOTE: five
so nobody gets paranoia'd if five/allison are town

VOTE: Five Copy copy copy

but... you had good reasoning for why Five (Flea) is town, why copy the vote anyway?

thatd be really bad i think i pretty much outted myself in the last like 5 posts

You were all much more transparent by this point, wish I was reading lol

klaus + five maybe?

VOTE: Five

Fine. I wanted to enjoy this game longer though.

Extremely sus. Sees suggestion of him being in the pool, wants to "enjoy" game for longer, still hammers

maybe this is all a fever dream and paragons already won

this is extremely possible it should not have been that hard for them

Sigh, curse my inactivity

i hope Hectic didnt wasn't able to get too involved with the guess

shudder

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Morning Tweet DM'd me a perfect alt guess as of this post:

HEY ANYONE HOME?

JINGLE DOESNT COUNT.

I GOTS APOCALYPSES TO START AND SHADOWREALMS TO BE AT! I DON'T GOTS ALL DAY

Damn, we're slacking

Also, Hectic is exceptionally good at reading me so basically all you need to do is find the third townie.

hectic supposedly has a secret way of reading me that never fails so all you need to do is find the third townie :^)

grumble grumble grumble this doesn't help. It's a lot harder to read you two by meta when you're obfuscating

Your confidence in your reasoning that all scum had to be inside or outside seems a tad.. overblown

Here lemme read it really slowly so i actually understand it though cause im kinda slow myself

No, as scum i dont think i wouldve wanted to pick because it'd generate info regardless of who my partner is. It's like 2/3 odds that my partner isn't chosen i think so I would take that rather than potentially help town out

If I'm getting it

townier sequence

Then we have a long fruitful conversation between Vanya and Lila. Vanya looks much townier from this

I really can't fake being this scattered, i use other emotions as scum, usually a lot of self-depreciation and apologizing type stuff with varying results

as town i empty the contents of the temporary holding space inside my brain into the thread every 30 seconds. Even when it doesnt make sense and i havent even read it myself. Why? Because i cant do it as scum so i may as well demonstrate towniness the best way i can

nice