Micro 1008: Burdened by Secrecy 2 (Paragon + Town Win)

[Lila Pitts]

i trust u on vanya being town

being fearful on identities is in response to koba being annoying and prodding me on why i thought i had to blitz the lim, i wouldnt make the post if i didnt want to because its quite self evident and shouldn't require an explanation. tilted in other games is also something i didn't want to make but nancy wants to compare my tone from this game with my two most tilted games. adsfasdfadsfasdfasdf

[Lila Pitts]

u guys are going to submit me as scum aren't u ;-;

[Hectic]

but but Allison/Klaus makes so little sense

[Lila Pitts]

im town hectic ;-;

[Hectic]

i'm not ¬¬

[Hectic]

Waiting for Klaus to come and do more solving waiting room

You should use everything that happened post hammer btw, that might be more alignment-revealing than everything before since no obfuscation

[Lila Pitts]

i can explain my thought process on the baton idea

basically i knew that blitzing the lim would make it hard for the paragons to win and the likelihood of hitting scum in a setup like this on the first lim will less than EV because well, two scum. but its supposed to be counterbalanced by the fact that we can generate lots of info through analysis, and if we blitzed the lim with no strategy there wouldn't be anything to analyze. the baton pass gives us discernible info to analyze now, you have the piece of information of who made what decision, that's something to analyze instead of people just arbitrarily picking someone to lim. i don't know if that's too confusing to follow because i think on a superficial level, me picking five seems arbitrary. but there is a lot of meaning when i selected vanya who selected klaus who selected me to finally select five. that ordering matters a lot in my opinion. creating that info is absolutely essential. i don't think id go with a strategy like that as scum because im literally designing a mechanism to allow for the blitz strategy to prevent paragons from winning while preserving the benefits of info lims.

[Lila Pitts]

i honestly think its vanya/klaus BUT you townread vanya and ill trust you on that so its klaus/allison by poe. i think vanya/klaus just makes too much sense not be it from everything that has tangibly happened. but if you think vanya has townspewed, ill trust you.

[Allison Hargreeves]

How are you reading Vanya now, Lila? 510 is cool but a lot of that thoughtspew like the stuff on being fearful on identities and being tilted in other games are NAI things that I think can come from either alignment

@Allison/bugspray

, paragons can no longer win by guessing identities. The only way paragons and town win now is by guessing the two remaining scum players. If you're town, you need to show us that and help us figure out who scum is

i will iso mod to confirm this bcs big if true

[Lila Pitts]

post hammer only matters for people who are incapable of playing scum. post hammer everyone has the same wincondition. pre hammer matters the most for AI stuff. now if you think that some people literally cannot play scum then maybe post hammer matters more but i don't know anyone well here enough to make that call.

[Allison Hargreeves]

@mod have the paragons submitted incorrect picks of who they think the alts are?

[Lila Pitts]

paragons can only guess pre hammer.

[DkKoba]

@mod have the paragons submitted incorrect picks of who they think the alts are?

no we didn't get to submit because yall literally rushed the game.

[DkKoba]

also just read the damn setup and read the paragon role pm provided in the OP?

[Allison Hargreeves]

idk how to explain how im not scum other than explaining how i play as scum and obv dont want ya'll to read me better

[Allison Hargreeves]

pitts is scum

[Hectic]

How about you ISO your good friend GeorgeBailey (Klaus) and let us know how you're reading him

[Lila Pitts]

koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen

[Hectic]

post hammer only matters for people who are incapable of playing scum. post hammer everyone has the same wincondition. pre hammer matters the most for AI stuff. now if you think that some people literally cannot play scum then maybe post hammer matters more but i don't know anyone well here enough to make that call.

Scum still has to fake-solve post hammer while town can genuinely solve, no?

[DkKoba]

koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen

ok scum whatever u say

[Lila Pitts]

ok if there's literally nothing i can do i guess ill just be sad

[Allison Hargreeves]

koba just hates me rn because i rushed the lim and it hurts their win condition but i don't know why they can't understand that blitzing the lim had to happen

nuthammering is ++++ev for scum because it means paragons dont get the first guesswin and people have less info for second guesswin.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Bugs we win if they guess scum right u kno

[Lila Pitts]

okay im just bad at explaining how the theory behind my plan works ill try something else next game

[Allison Hargreeves]

kalus has solved less than me totally scum ill analuyze flea soontm and basically just do a metaless beatdown even though maybe in theory i shuld be very familiar with faer meta