Micro 1008: Burdened by Secrecy 2 (Paragon + Town Win)

[Vanya Hargreeves]

If I’m scum here, unless my buddy is already pretty much confiscum, I don’t push my buddy here as half of the scumteam. Because let’s say I’m hypothetically scum with Klaus, last thing I want is for paragons to have my buddy as half their solve, so Klaus might have spewed Vanya as his buddy.

It’s of course also possibly wifom to make us think it can’t possibly be Klaus/Lila but it just seems really strange to me that scum!Klaus throws either Allison or Lila under the bus like that.

Why does it matter if you guess one scum, you need both you know. Scum doesnt care if one person is guessed

i know this hurts me but i dont think i agree with that nancy because they want u to follow the entire solve and if you follow the entire solve you would theoretically lose even if u get half of it right

Yeah i am so confused

[Vanya Hargreeves]

ill repeat myself again

klaus/vanya makes the most sense @nancy imo but if ur confident in vanya town then its klaus/allison by poe

Klaus threw both you and Allison under the bus post-flip.

the only alternative would be to scumread me, who was consensus town at the time so that'd take a lot of effort

Also even if Klaus scumread me post flip, that doesnt say anything because it does not matter at all if scum busses right now. They can get their partner confirm-scummed, it does not matter if the exact team is not guessed. So i dont really get how Klaus' reads post flip matter partner wise

[Vanya Hargreeves]

from your point of view there is a 50% chance im scum and not much is happening so defending me is a little weirdchamp

Yeah except i'm not blindly flipping a coin. I don't want to lose the game on page 6 when a yolo hammer happens from lurking scum.

time is running out, klaus!

why the fuck is this time sensitive

?????

First quote is pressuring Klaus to vote (I really wanted to see if he'd vote whoever it was with me), second is asking Oka why he needed an answer from Klaus on something like instantly, i dont really remember

Why does this matter exactly?

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Lila was willing to have Vanya pick, which would have been Alli but Klaus made it a point of picking Lila. This could be absolutely brilliant distancing if bugs is scum.

Lol yeah if Klaus picking Lila while I was doing my own thing was faked confusion, I'd be very impressed

In reality though it's more likely he was genuinely confused so he did the safer option of handing the elim back to Lila

[Vanya Hargreeves]

we are at the point where we agree it's me/Lila + Klaus yes?

[Allison Hargreeves]

from your point of view there is a 50% chance im scum and not much is happening so defending me is a little weirdchamp

Yeah except i'm not blindly flipping a coin. I don't want to lose the game on page 6 when a yolo hammer happens from lurking scum.

time is running out, klaus!

why the fuck is this time sensitive

?????

First quote is pressuring Klaus to vote (I really wanted to see if he'd vote whoever it was with me), second is

asking Oka why he needed an answer from Klaus on something like instantly,

i dont really remember

Why does this matter exactly?

can you quote where this happened?

[SnaileyBailey]

Bailey thinks that Lila and Allison is a possibility
Snailey also thinks it's possible

[Vanya Hargreeves]

i need a third person to do this

klaus where tf did you go

why the fuck is this time sensitive

at the time i thought all 3 of us were going to vote the same person

lila actually wanted two of us to vote somebody then demonstrate they wont quickhammer

i see why it was time sensitive now but obviously when i asked the question i didnt

Again though, why does this matter. i thought it should be kinda obvious what im doing by saying "Time is running out" to Klaus, i was trying to get him to vote more

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Lila/Allison is possible partner wise but i townread bugs and not klaus so ya

but partner wise yes, Lila picking Five over Allison was kinda contrived. But -- if Allison/Five are town, that means Lila's little game didnt have any risk associated, so there's that i guess. Remember Lila originally wasnt going to play that game -- he was going to just have 2 ppl vote and then demonstrate he wont quickhammer. the game changed

[Nancy Drew 39]

If I’m scum here, unless my buddy is already pretty much confiscum, I don’t push my buddy here as half of the scumteam. Because let’s say I’m hypothetically scum with Klaus, last thing I want is for paragons to have my buddy as half their solve, so Klaus might have spewed Vanya as his buddy.

It’s of course also possibly wifom to make us think it can’t possibly be Klaus/Lila but it just seems really strange to me that scum!Klaus throws either Allison or Lila under the bus like that.

Why does it matter if you guess one scum, you need both you know. Scum doesnt care if one person is guessed

i know this hurts me but i dont think i agree with that nancy because they want u to follow the entire solve and if you follow the entire solve you would theoretically lose even if u get half of it right

Yeah i am so confused

Yes I know but it’s in scum’s best interest that I don’t do that because if I have one scum locked, I have a much better chance of figuring out their buddy, so I think scum only throws their buddy’s name out there if they’re already viewed as consensus scum, otherwise unlikely imo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ill repeat myself again

klaus/vanya makes the most sense @nancy imo but if ur confident in vanya town then its klaus/allison by poe

Klaus threw both you and Allison under the bus post-flip.

the only alternative would be to scumread me, who was consensus town at the time so that'd take a lot of effort

Also even if Klaus scumread me post flip, that doesnt say anything because it does not matter at all if scum busses right now. They can get their partner confirm-scummed, it does not matter if the exact team is not guessed. So i dont really get how Klaus' reads post flip matter partner wise

It matters if their read post-flip doesn’t make sense with their progression pre-flip. That’s why I don’t think it’s Oka. Rn, I’m leaning Klaus/Alli > Klaus/you because I felt that bugs was trying to hard manipulate me with their aggressive tone, which is > highly scum indicative and it also read really fake to me.

I don’t feel manipulated at all by either you or Oka.

[Nancy Drew 39]

from your point of view there is a 50% chance im scum and not much is happening so defending me is a little weirdchamp

Yeah except i'm not blindly flipping a coin. I don't want to lose the game on page 6 when a yolo hammer happens from lurking scum.

time is running out, klaus!

why the fuck is this time sensitive

?????

First quote is pressuring Klaus to vote (I really wanted to see if he'd vote whoever it was with me), second is asking Oka why he needed an answer from Klaus on something like instantly, i dont really remember

Why does this matter exactly?

Okay thanks for explaining this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lila was willing to have Vanya pick, which would have been Alli but Klaus made it a point of picking Lila. This could be absolutely brilliant distancing if bugs is scum.

Lol yeah if Klaus picking Lila while I was doing my own thing was faked confusion, I'd be very impressed

In reality though it's more likely he was genuinely confused so he did the safer option of handing the elim back to Lila

Are you tr Klaus?

[Nancy Drew 39]

we are at the point where we agree it's me/Lila + Klaus yes?

No, I think it’s Klaus + Alli or you. I think Lila’s town. And rn, I lean Alli > you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Bailey thinks that Lila and Allison is a possibility
Snailey also thinks it's possible

Oh? This is a complete 180 from yesterday. What changed for you?

[Allison Hargreeves]

how am i suddenly scum

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lila/Allison is possible partner wise but i townread bugs and not klaus so ya

but partner wise yes, Lila picking Five over Allison was kinda contrived. But -- if Allison/Five are town, that means Lila's little game didnt have any risk associated, so there's that i guess. Remember Lila originally wasnt going to play that game -- he was going to just have 2 ppl vote and then demonstrate he wont quickhammer. the game changed

I think you’re town. I don’t think Tweetie!scum could maintain this charade as long as you have at this point but if you tr bugs, then why does scum!Oka try to save Allison and push Five?

Was Lila ever in real danger? Could that be why Klaus picked him > you? Because otherwise, it doesn’t really make sense if it’s Klaus/Lila.

If bugs is town and either bugs/Flea were the consensus elims, then Lila was never in actual danger.

[Nancy Drew 39]

how am i suddenly scum

I don’t know why SB did the 180 but I felt you were aggressively trying to manipulate my read.

I don’t think it’s Vanya, I think scum!Tweetie would have probably cracked under the pressure by now.

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Lila/Klaus >> Lila/Alli >>>>> Alli/Klaus

imo

[Vanya Hargreeves]

Lila/Allison is possible partner wise but i townread bugs and not klaus so ya

but partner wise yes, Lila picking Five over Allison was kinda contrived. But -- if Allison/Five are town, that means Lila's little game didnt have any risk associated, so there's that i guess. Remember Lila originally wasnt going to play that game -- he was going to just have 2 ppl vote and then demonstrate he wont quickhammer. the game changed

I think you’re town. I don’t think Tweetie!scum could maintain this charade as long as you have at this point but if you tr bugs, then why does scum!Oka try to save Allison and push Five?

Was Lila ever in real danger? Could that be why Klaus picked him > you? Because otherwise, it doesn’t really make sense if it’s Klaus/Lila.

If bugs is town and either bugs/Flea were the consensus elims, then Lila was never in actual danger.

Lila was only in danger if i picked the elim. I was scumreading Alli, Klaus, and Lila to varying extents at the time. Klaus TR Lila and Lila cant kill Lila.

However, it was unlikely i pick klaus/Lila because I wanted to elim immediately. So everyone in that three was pretty safe.

And idk that's my only lingering question. I'm not sure why Oka bothers to do the contrived Five over Alli thing. It's possible that it doesnt mean anything and he was just trying to fake a townie thought process, and it's possible it was intentional to trick us. But yea, if it's Oka/Alli that was the crucial thing

[Vanya Hargreeves]

However, it was unlikely i pick klaus/Lila because I wanted to elim immediately. So everyone in that three was pretty safe.

*everyone in the three who were voting

Alli was not safe lul

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lila/Klaus >> Lila/Alli >>>>> Alli/Klaus

imo

Maybe I’ll just sheep you and pray because it’s pretty much a crap shoot at this point and no guess or only one is an autolose.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Lila/Allison is possible partner wise but i townread bugs and not klaus so ya

but partner wise yes, Lila picking Five over Allison was kinda contrived. But -- if Allison/Five are town, that means Lila's little game didnt have any risk associated, so there's that i guess. Remember Lila originally wasnt going to play that game -- he was going to just have 2 ppl vote and then demonstrate he wont quickhammer. the game changed

I think you’re town. I don’t think Tweetie!scum could maintain this charade as long as you have at this point but if you tr bugs, then why does scum!Oka try to save Allison and push Five?

Was Lila ever in real danger? Could that be why Klaus picked him > you? Because otherwise, it doesn’t really make sense if it’s Klaus/Lila.

If bugs is town and either bugs/Flea were the consensus elims, then Lila was never in actual danger.

Lila was only in danger if i picked the elim. I was scumreading Alli, Klaus, and Lila to varying extents at the time. Klaus TR Lila and Lila cant kill Lila.

However, it was unlikely i pick klaus/Lila because I wanted to elim immediately. So everyone in that three was pretty safe.

And idk that's my only lingering question. I'm not sure why Oka bothers to do the contrived Five over Alli thing. It's possible that it doesnt mean anything and he was just trying to fake a townie thought process, and it's possible it was intentional to trick us. But yea, if it's Oka/Alli that was the crucial thing

Yeah why does Lila if Klaus buddy try to save Allison?

So we have Oka who’s trying to save Alli vs Klaus who wants to kill them, yet has Lila decide the elim?

[Nancy Drew 39]

And then GB sr Oka for their decision post-flip?

I think Klaus/Alli. If GB really wanted Alli dead, he doesn’t have Lila make the decision.

I’m going with that. I think Klaus/Lila is just way too obvious to be correct.

I’m going with Klaus/Alli.

VOTE: Klaus/Allison

Paragons should probably sheep this because I think I’m right. Vanya’s town and I don’t think scum!Klaus has his buddy make the elim choice unless he was in actual danger.

Klaus/Alli look like scum distancing to me. Town!Klaus makes a point of voting Alli yet has Lila who prefers Five, make the elim choice?

And post-flip throws him under the bus? Nah and as Lila pointed out, Klaus went really hard on Alli but didn’t actually sr them, so I don’t think Klaus/Lila makes any sense.

It’s either Klaus/Alli or Lila/Alli imo.

And I lean Klaus/Alli. I think Lila was set up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What do you mean by this? What was your thought process when you sent this, i suppose more specifically

Allison made like no attempt to hide their tone and pretty much outed. Which resulted in us rushing a shitty elim.

It's Lila, she suggested this weird baton strategy because her partner was inactive, then kept pressuring us to vote. Vanya is town from jump-starting this game into actual scum hunting.

I don't see Lila/Vanya though, that'd be one hell of a scum theatre.

Possibility of Lila/Alli but Alli is definitely one scum. Klaus isn’t doing anything. Wouldn’t scum!GB try harder?

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