Micro 1013: IMoA [game over!]

[northsidegal]

why not sang froid?

i guess if i have to be the one to say it.

moon seems to have indicated that sang froid is her partner.

[Sigmund]

ok sure

VOTE: VFP

[Sigmund]

9 hours, 18 minutes.

I will be online before deadline to move vote if we need it

[Moongrass]

Fine nsg can be town sheesh. I have come up against you as scum more than once, though the game you mention should be scratched from your meta record as an outlier. But I think Sigmund is right about you being outside of your emotional scum range.

Like what do you think I was doing? Signaling to you about other players as scum equally makes no sense. If you remember anything about me, it should be that my actions make no sense as town, if they make sense I'm probably scum.

Ok so let's play hypothetical mafia chess (more like checkers w/e) so say I'm completely wrong and for whatever reason we have masons and two town neighbors.
My lim pool would be reduced down to Ico, SS, VFP removing anyone I townread. I think we miss if we try in that pool and it's best to lim Andre since he's claimed. Thoughts?

[northsidegal]

Like what do you think I was doing?

i consider it a towntell (i.e. more likely to come from town than scum), but here's the key point: there

are

plausible narratives for doing what you did as scum, but i

don't

really see a plausible narrative for doing what you did if there was any chance you thought that i was scum.

[Moongrass]

In fact there's one game I can remember where nsg was scum and wouldn't quit even with Mathdino tunneling her to death and we were all "she's out of her scum range"

Ah, memories...

[Something_Smart]

why not sang froid?

i guess if i have to be the one to say it.

moon seems to have indicated that sang froid is her partner.

I don't think that was meant as a crumb of sang-slot being the partner. Seems pretty foolhardy from Moongrass to out their partner that obviously.

[northsidegal]

-shrug-

sigmund asked why not sang, and i gave the reason from my perspective. you might be right. if i'm wrong then it's unfortunate that i'm not voting VFP instead of sang.

[northsidegal]

or, the other way around.

[Moongrass]

Like what do you think I was doing?

i consider it a towntell (i.e. more likely to come from town than scum), but here's the key point: there

are

plausible narratives for doing what you did as scum, but i

don't

really see a plausible narrative for doing what you did if there was any chance you thought that i was scum.

So the play makes no sense. it doesn't mean I'm scum, my actions weren't sensical as any alignment. I was trying to test two things - if you'd catch it and what you did either way. I then picked you for scum because you didn't seem to get it or read me based on it, and then I left it to pursue other people because you weren't a D1 lim anyway.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Andre

[Moongrass]

Fake claiming mason. I mean really? I'm going to be really annoyed if I was right and you all made me change my mind.

[northsidegal]

Like what do you think I was doing?

i consider it a towntell (i.e. more likely to come from town than scum), but here's the key point: there

are

plausible narratives for doing what you did as scum, but i

don't

really see a plausible narrative for doing what you did if there was any chance you thought that i was scum.

So the play makes no sense. it doesn't mean I'm scum, my actions weren't sensical as any alignment. I was trying to test two things - if you'd catch it and what you did either way. I then picked you for scum because you didn't seem to get it or read me based on it, and then I left it to pursue other people because you weren't a D1 lim anyway.

if something has a non-plausible explanation as town and a plausible explanation as scum, it makes sense to treat it as a scumtell. i don't know what else to say about that. i even like to think that i consider a lot of possibilities and keep my mind pretty open to plausible explanations for things from other people's perspectives.

i truly, honestly mean no disrespect when i say this – if you are town then i would appreciate, on a personal level, if you would try to avoid situations where your play is not sensical as any alignment.

Fake claiming mason. I mean really? I'm going to be really annoyed if I was right and you all made me change my mind.

you're not.

and, just to reiterate, this is all 100% on you. andres had claimed and had 4 people on him, you're the one who claimed to try to shift an entire wagon onto me with less than 12 hours left despite seemingly also being okay with andres.

[Moongrass]

No I claimed to stop you trying to sell me as scum for having info on town roles. You literally challenged me to lim you, I made my case for you over Andre based on mechanics and now you're upset I tried as if I did it for no reason whatsoever. I still don't understand your townread on Andre or why you were determined I was scum the whole day.

[Moongrass]

a plausible explanation as scum, it makes sense to treat it as a scumtell

It didn't have a plausible explanation as scum.

[northsidegal]

No I claimed to stop you trying to sell me as scum for having info on town roles. You literally challenged me to lim you, I made my case for you over Andre based on mechanics and now you're upset I tried as if I did it for no reason whatsoever. I still don't understand your townread on Andre or why you were determined I was scum the whole day.

It was

your choice

to reveal information regarding masons. You claimed at approximately L-4. I never challenged you to eliminate me, I told you that you wouldn't succeed in trying to do so. What about the case for me over andre is "based on mechanics"?

I explained a little of my townread on andres in 1046, and have been explaining my scumread on you the entire day.

a plausible explanation as scum, it makes sense to treat it as a scumtell

It didn't have a plausible explanation as scum.

plausible explanations: you, being scum and looking out for crumbs, notice the crumb. in an effort to remain natural and play to your towngame, you point it out as a reason for a townread, with the thought that this is what you'd do if you were town. after all, it doesn't really harm you that much to reveal it to a townie. alternatively, you want to be able to point back to it the next day and say "i noticed this and this was why i townread that player".

likely? not the point. plausible? yes. to me, certainly more plausible than pointing out a crumb to someone you think could be scum.

[Moongrass]

have been explaining my scumread on you the entire day.

That's an exaggeration, you've said one post was weird and then asked me about my progression.

I don't care about outting as a mason. I'm not blaming you, I'm explaining why I did and it was so you and Sigmund would get your reads straight and try to focus. I've never said it's impossible for both neighbors to be town or scum I've said it's improbable there are two town neighbors and masons in the same game.

I have not been under any threat of lynch, we are running close to deadline and I'm covering every angle I can before I inevitably die N1. It would have actually been worse for town to go into D2 with an easy Andre lynch, potential town flip.

Why do you seem mad enough that you wish you were RC to policy lim me? Like I'm not intentionally throwing the game for lols. I'm doing my best to work it out. It's actually fortunate you aren't RC for your sake, not mine.

[Moongrass]

Dammit sorry replace all with lim*

[northsidegal]

have been explaining my scumread on you the entire day.

That's an exaggeration, you've said one post was weird and then asked me about my progression.

fair, it's an exaggeration to say that i've been explaining it the entire day, but it has been explained in a decently detailed manner, i'd say, if you would read some of my more recent posts.

Why do you seem mad enough that you wish you were RC to policy lim me? Like I'm not intentionally throwing the game for lols. I'm doing my best to work it out. It's actually fortunate you aren't RC for your sake, not mine.

i wouldn't say that i'm mad. it always bothers me to be scumread for no real reason. the RC comment was to say that i still genuinely can see a world in which you're scum, but on principle i'm not voting you and there's something of a bad feeling in that. it has nothing to do with "policy", i always play to wincon.

[sang froid]

[sang froid]

VOTE: moongrass

I’m not a mason

[sang froid]

Also not caught up but that seems to be what’s happened here

[VFP]

Yeah there's no reason for us to vote outside of the neibours with a Mason claim. Otherwise town effectively have 2 sets of masons, which I don't buy.
If anything the last few pages show Sigmund setting up NSG to fail here which looks really bad for them.

I think Andre flips scum and NSG flips town.
I'll swap to NSG if the time is about to end though.

[VFP]

Also not caught up but that seems to be what’s happened here

Going to need more of an explanation here.
You're not CC a Mason claim but calling Moons claim fake?

[northsidegal]

Yeah there's no reason for us to vote outside of the neibours with a Mason claim. Otherwise town effectively have 2 sets of masons, which I don't buy.

neighbors are not effectively masons.