Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[ItalianoVD]

I think STD has attached themselves to you more than the other way around (particularly since you TR there early), and I think that was an intentional Scum tactic. But maybe your insight into how you see that would help.

We kinda mindmelded on Free Money because I genuinely thought he (fm) was kinda a loose cannon and I thought his play around Dunnstral was better then Gamma. Do you think him following you onto kyouko was scumminded?

[ItalianoVD]

Oh wait Andres unvoted me, I forgot. Still, vote Gamma.

This is also a bit of a perspective slip. If you think about it, if my vote was still on, then what is Fox doing voting for Gamma? I would be guaranteed Scum to them since everyone else came onto the thread already.

Did Max say who Gamma’s partner was?

[ItalianoVD]

I think STD has attached themselves to you more than the other way around (particularly since you TR there early), and I think that was an intentional Scum tactic. But maybe your insight into how you see that would help.

Thinking on this again, it would make sense why I’m not dead. If Dragons is scum then he was never in danger from me and me going after Johnny, ssbm, and gamma was perfect for the team. Ugh.

[Andresvmb]

I think STD has attached themselves to you more than the other way around (particularly since you TR there early), and I think that was an intentional Scum tactic. But maybe your insight into how you see that would help.

We kinda mindmelded on Free Money because I genuinely thought he (fm) was kinda a loose cannon and I thought his play around Dunnstral was better then Gamma. Do you think him following you onto kyouko was scumminded?

I actually have a different theory about it.

STD was clearly resisting (though not as openly) voting between Kyouko and Me. They clearly wanted Gamma first. The reason for that is because then a victory is guaranteed from a Scum!STD perspective - Gamma flips Town say, and then all you have to do is NK Johnny and wait for one of Kyouko or Me to put a vote down for the other and the Town loses. And you know it’ll happen because they had a “guilty” on me.

[ItalianoVD]

I’ll wait for him to respond but that kinda sucks bro

[Andresvmb]

Oh wait Andres unvoted me, I forgot. Still, vote Gamma.

This is also a bit of a perspective slip. If you think about it, if my vote was still on, then what is Fox doing voting for Gamma? I would be guaranteed Scum to them since everyone else came onto the thread already.

Did Max say who Gamma’s partner was?

I think they argued for STD as the Partner.

[Andresvmb]

I am town. Gamma and Dragons are likely to be both scum. Their interactions and general passivity towards each other reek of scumminess.

Yeah right here.

[Andresvmb]

And that argument was already blown up because there’s no passivity between the two (which they both highlighted). So one of those arguments is Scum distancing, the other is just Town realizing the argument makes no sense.

[Andresvmb]

And it hasn’t been updated at all.

[ItalianoVD]

If you think I’m Town, I think you should trust me when I say that I think Gamma is Town.

Ugh, I’m kinda starting too.

[Andresvmb]

But again I want to hear if anyone outside of Fox obviously thinks I’m wrong here. If you’re going to challenge anything I’m saying now is the time.

[Andresvmb]

I think Gamma is Town, and Fox is Scum. That last decision... I’m kind of hoping I’m not going to have to make it.

[MaxTheFox]

It’s hard to trust anyone at this stage, but my feel for the situation is that Max pulled the trigger on a vote because they quickly realized that they were running out of options. I think they always lose a 1v1 against me and they also already said I was Town. Trying to fabricate a case against me at that stage probably looks Scummy as all hell. So instead, they went for the vote they hoped a Town player would make - Gamma.

I don't want to fabricate a case on you because I don't make cases on people who I think are just wrong townies.

[ItalianoVD]

If it’s Max and Dragons then a whole lot has opened up in the “makes sense” department for me.

[MaxTheFox]

Oh wait Andres unvoted me, I forgot. Still, vote Gamma.

This is also a bit of a perspective slip. If you think about it, if my vote was still on, then what is Fox doing voting for Gamma? I would be guaranteed Scum to them since everyone else came onto the thread already.

I don't get the logic here. You could just... be thinking I am scum?

[MaxTheFox]

You're not team with Gamma. You're team with Dragons/Fenrir.

[MaxTheFox]

*Gamma is team with Fenrir not you. Fuck. It's 12:25 AM here.

[Save The Dragons]

it ain't me bro

i wanted gamma first because i trusted my read. i'm not sure what to think now that we've wasted time on a kyouko lim. i'm getting paranoid about who the scum could be at this point.

[Andresvmb]

Oh wait Andres unvoted me, I forgot. Still, vote Gamma.

This is also a bit of a perspective slip. If you think about it, if my vote was still on, then what is Fox doing voting for Gamma? I would be guaranteed Scum to them since everyone else came onto the thread already.

I don't get the logic here. You could just... be thinking I am scum?

You put a statement out in CAPS saying that the Town needed to quickly vote for Gamma because you could be hammered at any minute. And then you backtracked by saying that my vote was no longer there. But do you really think you

wouldn’t

have been hammered if my vote was still on and I was Town? My vote happened so many hours ago, that’s a completely unbelievable thought process.

[MaxTheFox]

And btw, I don’t think anybody can argue with a straight face that Gamma and I are a Team. Just as much as it is now confirmed that you and I Italiano are not a Team.

The wording on this post tripped me up a bit, English is not my native language.

[Andresvmb]

it ain't me bro

i wanted gamma first because i trusted my read. i'm not sure what to think now that we've wasted time on a kyouko lim. i'm getting paranoid about who the scum could be at this point.

This fence sitty shit is not going to cut it.

[MaxTheFox]

Oh wait Andres unvoted me, I forgot. Still, vote Gamma.

This is also a bit of a perspective slip. If you think about it, if my vote was still on, then what is Fox doing voting for Gamma? I would be guaranteed Scum to them since everyone else came onto the thread already.

I don't get the logic here. You could just... be thinking I am scum?

You put a statement out in CAPS saying that the Town needed to quickly vote for Gamma because you could be hammered at any minute. And then you backtracked by saying that my vote was no longer there. But do you really think you

wouldn’t

have been hammered if my vote was still on and I was Town? My vote happened so many hours ago, that’s a completely unbelievable thought process.

It was late on the page.

[Save The Dragons]

i think gamma is town at this point

[Andresvmb]

Okay unless someone is bad mannered there’s a confirmed Scum in Gamma/Fox. I know where my vote is going. I want some clarity as to what STD and Italiano want to do, and you need to do it now.

[MaxTheFox]

Vote Gamma mate. Re-read his ISO.