Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Lukewarm]

Right, my reads are horrendous if you are town, and I was never a good choice to sheep.

It's better to trust someone you think is town for sure and have a conversation with them, but people are acting like it's a good trade-off to giving up an miselim when you can just lim slots that you actually think is town

I think that the only person who said that was T3, when he was on board with voting for you.

I am actively suspicious of Prism, Hectic, and Skitter

[Lukewarm]

Would you rather follow me on a prism vote?

No lol

I didn't think so. That is why I decided maybe the best place for my vote was in your hands, because where I wanted it was never gaining steam

[humaneatingmonkey]

not really why. It also leaves a gap where my townread tanked when I started pushing Hectic.

this i can explain. my impression was that you were sincerely trying your best to sort each slots and it doesn't seem like you were just trying to park your vote on someone who would fold under the pressure you're creating so that you can score a park for your vote. but when you colored hectic in such a negative manner that i wasn't empathizing at all, it felt very forced i thought that you were trying to score a lim there. hectic or not, it felt very predatory.

[Prism]

...And then? You swap to the hardest TR/sheep me+Infinity after that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

guys i really can't do this tonight i need to sleep so see you

[humaneatingmonkey]

...And then? You swap to the hardest TR/sheep me+Infinity after that.

Prism i explained this already

[Prism]

Likely will still be going tomorrow, see you then.

[Infinity 324]

If monkey is scum he found the correct angle to approach this game really quickly, but maybe I'm overestimating the difficulty of realizing that the game is hard and going "idk the game is hard" believably.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Likely will still be going tomorrow, see you then.

thanks prism

[Prism]

If monkey is scum he found the correct angle to approach this game really quickly, but maybe I'm overestimating the difficulty of realizing that the game is hard and going "idk the game is hard" believably.

I would suggest that we fed it to him on a silver platter and his experience with the opposite approach, which he originally took, was akin to running full speed into a brick wall.

[Infinity 324]

Sure, I think he executed it better than the average scum player probably would

[skitter30]

I have no problem being the IC, if only that clears my slot from the PoE. I also don't think we should elim anyone if the only goal is to make them into an IC, especially if there's reason to think they're town. For example Prism is wrong about me now, so there's a lot of opportunities for her to be wrong in the future. Being confirmed doesn't mean you would suddenly have awesome reads that we can sheep.

i think this is +town

[skitter30]

i also think lukewarm is town

[skitter30]

I am adding add skitter to my list of people I am both suspicious of and think would make a good stump if they turn out to be town.

can you elaborate a bit on why you're suspicious of me?

[Lukewarm]

i also think lukewarm is town

Why, is literally everyone town reading me?

Like please let me know, so I can emulate that in a scum game later

I feel like I have just shown up and gotten 8.5/9 people to town read me this game.

What is happening?

[skitter30]

you're taking actively unpopular takes and are being p stubborn about them, and they're not going to particularly help you get a misflip

and idk do you think people *should* be scumreading you?

[Lukewarm]

I am adding add skitter to my list of people I am both suspicious of and think would make a good stump if they turn out to be town.

can you elaborate a bit on why you're suspicious of me?

You replaced in, and seemed to have a firmer grasp on nearly every slot in the game after looking over the thread for like 45 mins, then I have and I have been here the whole time.

The build up to your vote against hectic seemed very telegraphed, first by town reads, and then

971 -> 972 -> 973 -> 974 -> 976 -> 982

It is too perfectly telegraphed out, it feels more like someone who knows everyone's alignments, and is building up to a case, rather then someone who just showed up and is trying to figure out what is going on in a game where the reads are so confusing.

[Child of Fairies]

V/LA Until the 15th

[skitter30]

trust me i absolutely don't have a firm grasp on anything >.>

that's not really what happened
i looked at some short iso's first and shared what i thought on them
i looked at hem and am not satisfied he's scum
a couple of people mentioned prism but i kinda liked what i saw so far
and then i looked at hectic and i realized i think he's scum, so i started pushing him

[Lukewarm]

You appeared to start isos at 3:50 pm

10 mins later, you were done with both johnny and hem and have say they feel town. And already have "what are people's thoughts on hectic"

4 mins later, "child of fairies seems town"

4 mins later, you start building a case on hectic, and that builds up to an eventual vote 27 mins later. - Then you appear to stop.

Every post after that point is pushing your hectic read.

So it looks like you are pretty set in your read, but have only iso'ed 3 out of 8 other players.

So from my pov, it seemed less like you were trying to get a read on the game, and more like you spent all of your time building a case against 1 specific person, so basically, you might already know everyone's alignments, so you have less reason to evaluate each slot.

[Lukewarm]

I just would not expect town to stop after reaching exactly 1 scum read, and be ready to push it.

It is not that you have a scum read on hectic, it is that once you found your scum read on hectic you started defending it before even looking at all of the possibilities.

[skitter30]

johnny had like 7 posts, hem was pretty easy to read, and child also had like 30 posts.
prism and ydra i got townvibes from the page or two that i was in for
so i read hectic

i do indeed still need to read the other three slots, yes, but i do feel like i found a scumread and think it's important to share that

[skitter30]

also like there's a day to deadline, i think the fact that i found a scumread is honestly more important than fully ctching up
if i had like three days i would prioritize reading front to back but i don't
and as things come back up i'd read more

i also read the last ~8 pages or so

[skitter30]

like given the amt of time we have i think it's more important and valuable to hang out in real-time and discuss with people now than try to prioritize reading everything

[Lukewarm]

Maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It just seemed suspicious looking at your iso, and seeing "what are people's thoughts on hectic" line in your 3rd post, before you ever even looked at hectic's iso, then turning into hectic being your strongest scum read. Like I said, it all seemed really telegraphed, like you knew where you were going before you started.

And I feel like that is the kind of think that ffery looks for? And she is someone whose scum hunting strategy is something that I am kinda trying to figure out / emulate.