Situation Room [Game Over!]

[OkaPoka]

Because i think his arguing that he is going to sheep someone elses mech especially given the context of the plan not being fleshed out all is him editing himself

At the time mech was being discussed still because there was no agreed upon idea and yuri comes in and basically says shut up. Remember that me n bingle were arguing about mech because bingle thought my plan would lose us the game.

[Bingle]

how come DGB gets to be LHF but i'm just scummy

You've said you're low hanging fruit, but my limited experience with you doesn't really enforce that belief. You were fine in Naughts and you were endgame town in Defcon. I do have the experience to know that DGB tends not to be listened to by people who've joined the site since about 2016.

[Bingle]

Dann, your dream better not be a prophecy.

This setup is inherently anti VCA, although the plan of play through most of D1 as a normal game of mafia does mitigate that slightly.

[Bingle]

STD largely has the same people.

I've been poking people without using my vote for a while. Not entirely sure who else is still on the STD wagon.

It's mostly played out though, yeah.

[Bingle]

STD tell me about your Gamma read, specifically wrt the last 10ish pages.

[Titus]

I'm curious. What's people's Solo read?

[Dusa]

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

[OkaPoka]

weird readslist pinged a lot of people (me after bingle pointed it out) but he hasn't talked since so its kinda just in wait

[Bingle]

I'm curious. What's people's Solo read?

Check my ISO. I raised a bunch of points (particularly about the reads list) and he hasn't responded yet.

[Save The Dragons]

my first thought was the fakegod fuck part was a ploy by scum to try and cast shade but i shot that down pretty quickly i think gamma just exaggerated what was said which doesn't seem particularly AI

i think i'm leaning back towards town but i'm not sure i want to see more

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: cw mechanics, dann clicky click here but nobody else need to click if u dont like

also just want to point one thing, slight thing with regards to mech dann

choosing to play d1 normally as possible is a mechanical decision because it will require correcting in the future, if you want to know why well you can read up. there is no world where we can escape mechanics. okay that's my spiel about mechanics. ive agreed with bingle at this point that we just play d1 normally and bother with other stuff later, probably d2-d3 to try and fix any glaring holes that might form. but we can ignore mech now but that's the benefit of having talked about mechanics is that we are on the same page.

[OkaPoka]

im going to try my hand at vca wrt to yuri wagon, hi titus

dgb unvote at the time it happened (when guilty voted) probably means dgb/yuri maybe aligned? at least if yuri is town, dgb town stonks go way up while yuri is scum, dgb scum stonks go slightly up.

guilty/unowen/dusa all have slight +scum equity i suppose for blind sheeping me in a way and scum probably want to be on lead wagons regardless of yuri's alignment. however its unlikely that all three r scum. 1 or 2 probs yeah? rule of three maybe?

bell unknown because he was first vote and is not really related to this.

[OkaPoka]

add titus to the guilty/unowen/dusa i think because i think titus would understand how the setup works

i don't think yuri's alignment really changes after being wagoned, scum probably just want to be on a leading wagon and i think someone like yuri wouldn't say in scum pt, don't wagon me u lil shits

[Titus]

Oka, that's not the rule of 3. I could see a scummy hop on or two though.

It's a little early for true vca (no flips) but I don't find anything you're saying objectionable. My objection is a procedural one, not a logical one.

[Titus]

add titus to the guilty/unowen/dusa i think because i think titus would understand how the setup works

I understand. I just don’t care. I'm going to vote my biggest suspect at the time, wagon size be damned.

[OkaPoka]

yeah i mean i dont think im going to vote any of u 4 rn its just me noting down things

[Dannflor]

Spoiler: cw mechanics, dann clicky click here but nobody else need to click if u dont like

also just want to point one thing, slight thing with regards to mech dann

choosing to play d1 normally as possible is a mechanical decision because it will require correcting in the future, if you want to know why well you can read up. there is no world where we can escape mechanics. okay that's my spiel about mechanics. ive agreed with bingle at this point that we just play d1 normally and bother with other stuff later, probably d2-d3 to try and fix any glaring holes that might form. but we can ignore mech now but that's the benefit of having talked about mechanics is that we are on the same page.

Spoiler:

Yeah, I understand that now. My assumption coming into the game that D1 was likely going to be played as normally as possible because all systems tend towards entropy. That is, even if a few loud players do try to steer a particular direction, most players are still gonna shy away from that and treat it like a normal mafia game. My main intention with coming in and poo pooing mechanical discussion was that I 1. didn't want people to be stuck in analysis paralysis and 2. I didn't want an easy layer of discussion for scum to hide behind. I realize now that my approach to this game was essentially Bingle's and a mechanical choice in its own right but I didn't express that very well coming into things.

[GuiltyLion]

I think Oka made a great point about the inconsistency in attitude towards mech talk, I also think jumping in to argue with Bingle about mech talk also feels strange given they claimed to not be interested in it. I don't grok why they suspect Dann or are voting there. I also don't really love their explanation of the suspicion on me but frankly I gotta go and don't have time to collect my thoughts and express them neatly yet, will do that when I return but I do want to push this wagon along

The mech post from bingle was the first thing I saw after arriving back in thread p much, and I wanted to hop on the first post. Trying to characterise that at being at odds with wanting to avoid mech talk *in general* is a reach.

I'm sorry, did I misunderstand something here?

however, also, mechanics is fucking boring and it's beyond depressing that despite like a 2 day break off it's still being discussed

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What doesn’t make sense about my push on Dann, given that I explained it what was bothering me about him?

All you did in this post:

he feels off? both in the being more assertive thing but then also in seeming to drift away from that in ISO as I get further down, and some of the stuff in his big reads post just feels lazy -> GE wagon having scum, DGB townread, the solo-performative comment

was call him lazy. Being lazy is not the same as being scummy, especially in a 17 person game. Short of explaining why the positions he's taking actually benefit a scum agenda, all you're doing is just nitpicking at stuff that's vaguely questionable. I don't see why you think any of the stances you highlighted are scum indicative.

Feels significantly like you’re looking for a way onto my wagon there, GL

you're not really wrong here though, I wanted to vote a wagon that would help create content instead of vanity voting a lower activity slot, and your slot is the best combination of presence, a lack of town vibes, and someone getting voted

[GuiltyLion]

but in 5 additional votes on Yuri I haven't seen one new reason that I recall

does each voter need a new reason? A good reason is a good reason, especially when we haven't had any significant wagons yet

I don't especially count the Gamma wagon as all that significant but I'm open to other perspectives there I guess

[GuiltyLion]

I also think in general Yuri's reply and subsequent vote back onto me felt more snarky and meant to discredit me publicly rather than accomplish anything useful

[GuiltyLion]

Bingle as a top tier town read is ???. There's no explanation for the town read on me either despite there being multiple slots Oka/Yuri who scum read me. Why is Oka's Yuri vote spicy? Why is arguing with Bingle about mech talk strange from Yuri when Yuri specifically mentioned scum reading Bingle and also wanting to find someone mechanically minded to sheep? Yuri already expressed why he was voting me, what about that doesn't GL grok?

Like overall, it's a post that surface level looks good and towny but I find the reads list tiers pretty shallow and convenient and I don't really understand how he got to the Yuri vote either.

were you gonna ask me any of this stuff or were you just gonna vote me and wait until someone asked you why

I can't quite explain the Bingle townread right now but in a little bit of time I can give more detail on that. I also in general am not gonna put a ton of effort into justifying early townreads unless my own position has changed and I want to explain, or if someone disagrees and wants to hash it out, especially if they're scumreading the slot in question that I'm townreading. I can point to past completed town games where I take this same position. Also, I was literally about to leave my home when I posted that so it was never gonna be a high effort post in general.

As for Oka/Yuri scumreading you, I didn't especially like either of those scumreads and that's another piece of why I'm not really townreading Yuri and wasn't really sure on Oka. Oka pivoting to voting Yuri was the main thing I liked from him, and it's spicy because it's forming a bigger wagon on a polarizing player with a reason I could get behind

[GuiltyLion]

also Dann, what is your read on Yuri yourself, I just re-skimmed your ISO and didn't see it. Are you townreading that slot or are you just pushing back on people voting it?

[GuiltyLion]

I'm curious. What's people's Solo read?

I didn't like his early posts but I got a town vibe from his reaction to being pushed, namely by UNOwen and Dusa

[Dannflor]

were you gonna ask me any of this stuff or were you just gonna vote me and wait until someone asked you why

I was gonna wait for you to elaborate and had more time because I assumed at least some of the stuff that was lacking in that post was due to lack of time

but yeah consider me asking now

[Dannflor]

also Dann, what is your read on Yuri yourself, I just re-skimmed your ISO and didn't see it. Are you townreading that slot or are you just pushing back on people voting it?

I'll respond in a little bit as I'm still kind of in the process of figuring out what I think about Yuri

mostly I just know I find the wagon that's built on them weird