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[humaneatingmonkey]

• She answers all my questions except #1642, where I asked "How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation?" Because she can't answer that.

Oops sorry, this isn't true at all. She answered it.

This is the entire thread:

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

So why did you say otherwise earlier?

1. Because last time I didn't read as deep into Bambi.
2. I... didn't? By fitting the situtation I meant that he seemed to jump to a VT claim as soon as we started considering POEing invest claims.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm having this crazy idea.... what if

humaneatingmonkey

is the deep wolf here???

Case me then

[MaxTheFox]

Bonus

• At #1498, MaxTheFox scumslips when she said "My town playstyle didn't form yet, really." She is speaking in past tense, and doesn't have the POV that she's town in the present.

How so? The fact that my playstyle didn't form was in the present form, wasn't it?

[MaxTheFox]

I kinda fucked myself with being quiet D1 and D2. Now nothing I can do can save me I think.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No, not really. Throw the towel

[MaxTheFox]

boxxy and A50 are such obvious town I would rather be limmed to save them.

I hate this. How is A50 obvtown? This is scum who can say this easily because he knows who is town.

Someone who is on his second game in 12 years fakeclaims a role no one has heard about?

Hate this too. Wouldn't it be normal for scum to fake a semi-obscure role/modifier combination? Since you can bet on town saying just this. This is an attempt to pocket someone who he thinks probably is a TPR and make said TPR not check him (boxxy).

but i'm so glad bambi jay scumclaimed

I'd vote hem tomorrow just for this tbh

Flimsy excuse.

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.

???

---

And almost everything else is filler. I 100% scumread T3 now. After I die get him tomorrow. Don't throw, town.

[MaxTheFox]

I brought this upon myself but we have time. Go town!

[MaxTheFox]

And I did skim Bambi's ISO the first time but like... I didn't look all that deep into it. Just clearing up a misunderstanding.

I am a village idiot amn't I?

[MaxTheFox]

BTW I didn't scumread A50 for being active. Where did you get that? It was mostly (c). I didn't think town would do... that. I still think A50 blundered and got himself hanged.

[humaneatingmonkey]

My case on him is that:
1. Him becoming much more active after Cyrus's death seems like a scum picking up the slack after a buddy died.
2. I don't see town being so jumpy with claims.
3. I generally don't like his tone.

[Salsabil Faria]

MaxTheFox, cyrus62, Bambi Jay (exclude Day 4)

Didn't realize this started until today, woops.

Anyways, hello everyone! I am semi-new but I played one game already (I was scum there) and read a bunch of games before. The game in question: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642

Why scum!

Fox

will start with sharing her scum game (to everyone except

Fox

herself)? Her

scum-intro

in that game:

Alrighty, this is the first game I didn't get replaced out of. I did read a lot of games before. Ahem.

VOTE: JohnyFarrar for wagoning NFP early.

Also feels like a lot of iioa throughout, and an unusual fixation on getting a sense of where everyone's townreads are, which could be nai but here feels more like trying to map the topography and get a strategic push in at a later time

This is about you Sean

What does iioa mean?

The other point is fair. Ftr it is more that I am much more of a scumreader than a townreader, and am actively working on my towncore-game.

Information instead of analysis. Basically recapping the game without sharing thoughts.

Did you talk about

Seanzie

here? If so, what were you thinking that about him?

Possibly unpopular opinion. Cyrus is town. Read only the first few pages though, still reading.

Mention those

1st few pages

posts where you saw town!him.

I'd also like to refer to this thread
viewtopic.php?f=123&t=85510
If the NRG deemed his setup to be weak with a real invest (Town Neap) I doubt the NRG approves a setup where roaming det gets to be our invest this game, assuming this is it

Consider: another weak incest like, IDK, a voyeur or something. Wouldn't that be balanced then?

You have decent knowledge about game mechanisms I see, then why it was tough for you to form opinions early? Even if I give you benifit of the doubt for being new, you couldn't form opinions on Day 3 also.

Is this the best you can do?

Yes. I'm sorry but I'm new. This is my best attept at solving.

Max do you have more thoughtsTM? Have you caught up?

I was AFK for a while. But basically I skimmed the thread. Early Cyrus vs nomnomnom is TvT I think.

Maybe because I wasn't interacting with the thread early it's hard for me to form opinions.

i would prefer the word scum to wolf. as i feel like im being flat out called a lier or a cheat or cut throat, back stabber. i may have over reacted but wolf to me , means a lot more then mafia.

"Mafia" is more suitable on MAFIAscum, I agree. However, the game was originally called Wolf (I think) and many other sites use the term Wolf instead of Mafia/Scum. (I personally dislike the name Wolf because -to me- it's a different alignment than Mafia, but that's just me.)

Actually it

was

Mafia originally and still is in some countries (it's a Russian game) but it is more popular in America as "Werewolf".

Did you ever play any forum mafia on other sites? Or any kind of mafia game on anywhere?

Meanwhile I'm reading your scum game, there you were confident from the 1st post but here you started with playing the newb player card.

I think I noticed, you didn't have any direct interaction with

cyrus62

at all while both of you were online.

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

why though

im the type of guy who plays fair. good job . town good job.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

This literally just sounds like throwing? Or the worst WIFOM ever. The worst wine nobody would even drink.

So honestly for now I'll assume anything he said is pointless to find his partners.
Or that's what he wants you to think.

Between your 743 to this post,

Bambi

made tons of posts but you only responded this:

Or that's what he wants you to think.

How I read this post is you suggested

Bambi

to take scum!

cyrus62

's posts seriously? Or you thought he mentioned his scum partners in those posts?

I want to let boxxy live but his recent posts kinda reek of scum.

Do you have any other reads?

Bambi is town. I can feel it. I can't quite explain why though.

Can you explain it now?

Edit: that's alot of sudden Max support from me reminding y'all she exists.

Alright, I am less busy now. Should talk more. Sorry for lurking.

Timing is questionable.

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

Exactly what you did on your scum game. So you.should.know, if a player is helpful, doesn't necessarily mean they are town.

I am willing to get hanged the next day if A50 turns out to be town. But I doubt. I don't see a townie being so jumpy.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

What posts from Bambi does it give you the impression that they're helpful, providing reads, helping solve the game, etc.? And why is Bambi Jay more distinctly town vs Almost50 or anyone else in the playerlist?

It's just the feeling I get from her ISO? This... I don't feel scum would make this post. Call it my intuition.

What part? Not shooting me?

I would've shot my slot personally as scum. Killing a lurker slot gives nothin away. But I know for sure if Almost is scum he wouldn't kill me cuz it's more with me alive and vice versa. Use that info how you will.

So Kyouko's death wasn't to hide themselves very well. It had a purpose.

This is however immediately soiled with

Yeah a mass claim now kinda helps. First off though I guess I got an idea. If we all say the 3 people we want the most gone out of us 9, we can narrow down our pool significantly. Tally the votes and shit.

Like for me it would be
HEM
Salsa
Dwlee

The bottom two just feel fillersy. Probs could say the same about Max but of everyone she seems the most screwed from the short first days. Let's not go wild I guess this time and think things through.

Bruh why would you put HEM as your top scumread?

And I'm transparent that I meme around even claiming a shitty role when y'all know I'm a VT since I already admitted to wanting to bite the bullet earlier. I would've shot you anyway if I was a vig. I'm trigger happy.

Anyway I'm off to bed.

Now unlike with invest claims I can't really see scum back out of a vig claim. Too much risk.

However.

I am re-reading Bambi's ISO and my TR on her is just... eroding. I don't know why I originally TRed her. Many of her other posts are either filler or scum.
I really hate the tone of this in particular.

Why do you all keep going for me or my townreads? This is saddening.

Box doesn't trust me. Monkey sure as heck doesn't trust me. Salsa doesn't. Dwlee and Max are wall decorations.

T3 and Almost seem to be the guys who I can trust here. And unless I'm double pocketed by the scum team I'm sure I'm right here.

Consider Bambi another scumlean from me now.

Why didn't you unvote

Almost50

that time when you were taking a pause I suppose?

A50 is scum trying to get away with blatantly changing claims to fit the situation.

Can you expound on this? How did scum!A50 use his claims and fake guilties/clears to fit his situation? I'm trying to get a read on this slot so you can help me with this one.

He didn't, he just jumped between several claims over the course of 3 days. I just don't see why town would make themself hard to read like that.

Which

Bambi

also did, then why she couldn't be your top scumread like

Almost50

?

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm having this crazy idea.... what if

humaneatingmonkey

is the deep wolf here???

Case me then

later

[Kerset]

Waiting for Kerset and T3 to acknowledge Salsabil's claim so we're sure we have no counterclaims.

Intent to hammer MaxTheFox if she reaches E-1

Prediction: MaxTheFox won't post again until post-game, and it's okay. Let her rest. It's a hard game.

i am vt

[Kerset]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Kerset put MaxTheFox out of her misery

[Kerset]

VOTE: kerset

VOTE: max¬

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

I don't see how someone could put me as top SR but a bit later decide that actually almost is scum. There is no logical progression at all, just an opportunity. I guess it could also apply to salsa but she explained it already.

[Kerset]

Kerset put MaxTheFox out of her misery

ask her to selfhammer

[humaneatingmonkey]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

lol i'm the only one defending you as town. also, D3 wasn't my call at all. if it were, we would have elimmed between Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox.

[Salsabil Faria]

T3, cyrus62, Bambi Jay (exclude Day 4)

VOTE: seanzie
Fake helpful.

Explain why?

VOTE: cubxxy
I am convinced.

That moment, which posts of

cyrus62

's made you think he was townier than

boxxy

?

You have only ''1'' direct interaction with

cyrus62

, which is:

my bad i thought it was 5 . not 7

Did you play mini normal ar any normal set-up game(s) before?

been away for 2 years but yes i have. it was a mistake.

That's not mafia, that's arithmetic.

Almost, what Monkey does he got? He's avoiding the question and won't play with me even though he's a "troll" player.

I am letting him play it all out until he hangs himself with his own tail.

FTR, ISO me vs him. See my reaction to his entrance. I may have lightened up a little since, but it doesn't mean I have him as a "clear".

BTW, my Full read list looks like this:

Definitely TOWN

:
Almost50, boxxy, Seanzie, Kerset, Rathe/Bambi Jay

Possibly Town

(have some reservations/paranoia):
Dwlee99, Salsabil Faria

Null:

T3, MaxTheFox

Scummy

:
humaneatingmonkey

SCUM

:
nomnomnom


I'd advise you/anyone to to do a triple-ISO of cyrus/nom/HEM and re-evaluate their reads accordingly.

Like, who votes/pushes boxxy the most? That trio. T3 backed off as soon as he realized the claimed role wasn't what he thought it was. T3's push thus wasn't agenda-y. Who pushed Seenzie (and for what)?? Who finally gave up and voted cyrus?? Scum ARE nom & HEM.

These are pretty much just my reads.
VOTE: 3 noms

Oop the quote broke.

You never say what did you want to post then.

UNVOTE: nom3

Seanzie isn't giving me the same vibe as newbie 2063.

Intent to hammer.

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

Explain these.

Intent to hammer.

what is your case on sean?

The whole psych thing.

This guy shouldn't get this far in game. T3 is barely trying to do anything in this game and sneaks inside a wagon.
VOTE: T3

I should be locktowned after what happened yesterday.

I got seanzie fo townslip then I had something and forgot to unvote.

Explain please how you

should be

locktown in this scenario.

Is that it, MaxTheFox? That's too little. I would like you to act as if you're a replacement into your slot and catch-up, explain the reads you had blurted out, roleclaim, and tell us who is scum.

I am a VT. I'll just say it. I'll probably die but I am a VT.

The explanation for my read on Bambi is that Bambi just seems helpful. Providing reads. Helping solve the game. And most importantly it doesn't seem forced.

You are town because I don't really see scum with that playstyle. Maybe because I am new.

Boxxy has been scummy since day 1. I can't quite explain it but I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped scum.

A50 is weird. He was almost silent day 1 but suddenly became more active when Cyrus was hanged. Something about that just pings my scumdar.

Very +newbtown post

Were you town reading her or scum reading her that moment?

VOTE: kerset

VOTE: max¬

Oops I thought that was hammerlol

Explain your reasons.

What makes me pause with A50 is that he hard tiownread boxxy as son as the claim happened. But now I realize while writing this post that could have just been to pocket him. VOTE: almost50

While you didn't think to give reasons for other votes, then why did you need to give a reason for

Almost50

's?

I know he hammered the bodyguard and he's been against me and Almost all day. And if/when Almost flips green then I know he'll gun for me tommorow.

He's no ally of mine.

T3 why did you vote almost again btw? You don't have a pfp so no face for me to remember you by.

1672 is why.

Oh so you actually counted. Good on ya.

Salsa good cuz of Box result, Box is a PR, and I know I trust myself and since you want Max gone I'll trust her.

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

Replace Kerset with T3 btw. I realize Kers is actually trying to solve.

Oh so you actually counted. Good on ya.

Salsa good cuz of Box result, Box is a PR, and I know I trust myself and since you want Max gone I'll trust her.

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

Replace Kerset with T3 btw. I realize Kers is actually trying to solve.

"O' wise senpai of the lake. What is your wisdom?"

"T3 only shitposts when he's town"

"Oh."

but i'm so glad bambi jay scumclaimed

I'd vote hem tomorrow just for this tbh

Don't be reasonable only when I say your evil. Sigh.

Bambi is an alt?

Can be fake if partnership interaction.

[Kerset]

Spoiler: bambi to T3

T3 why did you vote almost again btw? You don't have a pfp so no face for me to remember you by.

but i'm so glad bambi jay scumclaimed

I'd vote hem tomorrow just for this tbh

Don't be reasonable only when I say your evil. Sigh.

This game is weird. But I might as well go all in with the theme so far and make this the quickest mini in awhile.

Spoiler: T3 to bambi

Oh so you actually counted. Good on ya.

Salsa good cuz of Box result, Box is a PR, and I know I trust myself and since you want Max gone I'll trust her.

So scum in Monkey, Kerset, Dwlee.

Replace Kerset with T3 btw. I realize Kers is actually trying to solve.

"O' wise senpai of the lake. What is your wisdom?"

"T3 only shitposts when he's town"

"Oh."

Here's a slip Dwlee, I got a guilty on Nom but ain't gonna do anything with it today since I'd rather have fun this way instead.

I think ik what bambi is but Iwon't say it.VOTE: nomnomnom

Spoiler: bambi to max

yea nothing

Spoiler: max to bambi

Finally caught up and wondering what even are these posts.

VOTE: cyrus62 this talk is getting us no where . when i flip town check monkey. ps i just cant keep up right now.

Like... What gambit even is this? Voting yourself as a gambit only works in later days, day 1 a policy elim is still on the table. This sounds more like you'd clear the person your targetting if you flip evil. Speaking of flip...

so now that thats done as i said boxy isnt lieing. so check monkey to see why he wanted to lynch a pr.

why though

im the type of guy who plays fair. good job . town good job.

fatia isnt scum trust me.

This literally just sounds like throwing? Or the worst WIFOM ever. The worst wine nobody would even drink.

So honestly for now I'll assume anything he said is pointless to find his partners.

Or that's what he wants you to think.

One major lead that i noticed is that actual conversations between bambi and max don't exist. T3 was less active and yet even he got some direct exchanges.

[Salsabil Faria]

I messed up with the color

[humaneatingmonkey]

God just end the game guys it's obviously MaxTheFox why are you guys doing this

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm on phone rn, reading the posts.... I think I want to add in shot while catching up (details reason I can give when I'll post from pc) why I thought

Almost50

was scum because I found his and

Bambi Jay

's play scummy. I mentioned earlier either these 2 are scums or one of them is 100% scum. When people have similar play style as both alignment, I focus on their day play only. Also I didn’t want to mention

Almost50

's fake-claim

town

behaviour to give the upper hand to the scum!him. He also hard tunneled me on that game but not anyone here which made me think if he is scum here who didn’t want to get caught for this. Especially which post(s) gave me scum vibe, I'll post later.

EBWOP

[Kerset]

why people (HEM the call maker) suspect me but don't talk about dwlee at all.

lol i'm the only one defending you as town. also, D3 wasn't my call at all. if it were, we would have elimmed between Bambi Jay and MaxTheFox.

i mean your call for opinions about me which lead to suspect claims but you don't do that with dwlee

[Salsabil Faria]

Hey unvote! I don’t finish catch up yet

EBWOP