Micro 1018: The King's New Robes | Game Over

[Rockhopper]

If NM is vt then Rock is basically confscum.

Why? What do you think of 190?
This makes me reconsider my read on PP

[Not_Mafia]

I won’t claim exactly who I targeted, but it was someone in the non-suited VT claims

[Enchant]

Call me Oracle, it's more fitting me. Mystic is cursed.


I am not joking around, i asked who he targeted. What i supposed to do also?

I don't know, vote him maybe? + this game is going so slow and scums are having benefit for this imo, I don’t want to lose this game also, my town luck is being very bad these days

1. I didn't unvote him from start of game.
2. There's possible other Oracles around. It means he could be legit.
3. Haste doesn't benefit town in most cases.

[Enchant]

I won’t claim exactly who I targeted, but it was someone in the non-suited VT claims

I have questions, how many times town killed you, before they tired from trolling and stopped doing so?

Really wondering. Why you hide target?

[ActionDan]

That was a read.

To answer your question in 177 Faria, putting aside the mechanics of the moment, my suspicions were equally split between rockhopper/VFP, for their comments made in 74 and 90, respectively.

Now for the present. Taking everything at face value, 182 is correct (and by extension 183). Since then Rock retracted and NM has claimed to be a 2nd oracle.

looking at 190, I may have suggested a VT is lying but I was really being pedantic, because usually I'm under the working assumption that town

don't

lie. It's hard to fault PP from incorporating that tenant into their mechanics argument and then reaching the obvious conclusion. Speaking of lying; Rockhopper what were you hoping to gain from yours (how would this confuse scum)? If we are in the Actress/Seamstress/2 oracle world, which it appears we are, there's going to be a seamstress vulnerable to briding, and a fake suit claim could solve that problem.

198 is painful to read.

Faria, why should Enchant vote NM and vise-versa? Where exactly is that coming from?

223; 227; Rockhopper; Enchant; where is this notion of a 3rd oracle coming from? Is there any reason to assume some other person is lying?

[Not_Mafia]

I won’t claim exactly who I targeted, but it was someone in the non-suited VT claims

I have questions, how many times town killed you, before they tired from trolling and stopped doing so?

Wut?

Really wondering. Why you hide target?

With all due respect, I don't think that's any of your business

[Enchant]

How many times you was killed, before everyone realised your anti-town behavior can't be fixed? NM, i really asking.

About oracles and suits. We have two oracle claims and only suit claim said he lied. So we in Actress+Actress or Seamstress+Actress, unless someone also claim Oracle.

If we in Actress+Actress, then NM is mafia almost certanly, because only one "Mystic" possible. It actually smart move for mafia to claim Oracle in this situation to prevent "Only Oracle Claim" from confirmation.
Seamstress+Actress. I am not sure. Probably, Actress would disguise self and Seamstress claim "Suit", so she can't be found, or do nothing.
Seamstress+Seamstress have nothing to fear, they simple disguise self. But there's only 2 Oracles, so it's not a case.


You probably see pattern, seamstress have no reason to visit town regardless of setup, because it gives away info about setup and could tip exact number of oracles, while not giving any benefits.


TLDR: NM either mafia who claimed Oracle so I can't be confirmed as only claim, or real Oracle (in which i somehow starting stop to believe) and we in Seamstress+Actress world.

[Enchant]

Hm.

We could eluminate me. Then role of NM will be revealed. If he is Seamstress, he couldn't just disguise self. If he is Actress, he needed to target me to disguise as oracle, and most likely he didn't and have disguise of VT.

[Not_Mafia]

How many times you was killed, before everyone realised your anti-town behavior can't be fixed? NM, i really asking.

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[Not_Mafia]

I'm town, eliminate Rockhopper

[DkKoba]

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[ArcAngel9]

Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Yeah, her busywork/lamist ignorance/seriousness towards VFP's joke post all seem scummy.
But is any of that AI? Do you have other reasons?

If it's scummy to you, why you're waiting for others' opinions instead of voting?

VOTE: Rockhopper

~

Faria

Good. it seems Rockhopper just wants to agree just like that.

I won’t really have time to post much but I can say I did approve massclaiming when asked
Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

Lol! What lie btw??

Faria said that they want to discuss with Gamma first before confirming on the mass claim and after few posts they just claimed VT. When I asked about it. I became a suspect.

would you deny this?

But I seriously feel that has happened.

It's possible, but Gamma was also online around the time of the post... So would have been easier for scum Gamma to just post anyway...

Also Rockhopper is probably scum but that depends on the scumteams experience and knowledge of mech.

I second this.

I won’t really have time to post much but I can say I did approve massclaiming when asked
Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

I think Faria scum slipped and then just fake posted as Gamma to cover it up.

Spoiler:

That was a joke.

But I seriously feel that has happened.

It could just be the truth tho.
What's far fetched about talking with a hydra partner through discord?
And why would there be a need to make a fake cover up post as the partner even if the slot is scum?

there is no need but when I questioned or pointed to cover-up or a miss, I was attacked, my intentions were questioned and labeled as a suspect. I was just pushing it back on them to get a better reaction.

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

What more you expect to say? Clear you as a town. No way. You could be totally lying as you don't want the bride choosing you?

I was being sarcastic lel. Everyone's either town or scum.
I get that you meant it was NAI.

And your point?

I believe we massclaiming.

I am Oracle, targeted Not_Mafia.

Gonna catch up.

Is this a joke? Is there a role as Oracle? Can you please clarify your claim?

I'm a VT

You need to stop trolling and start contributing a bit more NM.

Lovely. Fine.


We have 3 possible setups here.

1. Actress+Actress. Then mafia can't give suits for town, but impossible to detect via mechanics. If Rock is not mafia, then this setup is impossible.
2. Actress+Seamstress. I believe this is case. Actress disguised self, Seamstress gived suit for Rock. Then half of mafia disguised here.
3. Seamstress+Seamstress. I think in this case, mafia would just disguise each other as they please, not giving suit for town. I also can't notice 3+ Oracle claims, but probably not all claimed yet. I will consider this setup again when all claim.

Ergo, it's easy for mafia to fool mariage/oracles and only way is to blast suspicious people.

This doesn't make any sense.

Basically rock hopper is scum or a VT claim is lying

Mostly but he claims a suit. Can we really lynch him?

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

Why fake it though? You seem a bit short on any actual reason to be pushing such a ludicrous suggestion
~Gamma

Oh god. I don't know why you stuck with that point. You need to contribute better. I pointed what I felt was a gap in your communication with the hydra. And your other head clearly forgot or slipped what she said and claimed right after and when i pointed that out, she brought up a discord story which looks very convenient. If my doubts ludicrous to you and so is your thinking on this topic.

If I had to guess the scumteam at this exact second I'd call it as ArcAngel+Rockhopper
ArcAngel's posting has been stilted as well as throwing shade in all the wrong places, and I don't like how Rockhopper has interacted with other slots

This is a very very hard OMGUS.

I'm a VT

With suit or without suit?

~

Faria

Cows don't wear clothes

Please replace out.

Enchant NM and I = basically conftown but we don't know who NM picked.
SMOKE is not confirmed town because they could be actress.

How are Enchant and NM are confirmed town? please clarify.

And the

ArcAngel

mam is also vanished after voting our slot

~

Faria

Not vanished. I was away.

I won’t claim exactly who I targeted, but it was someone in the non-suited VT claims

Why don't i believe you. Can you please be honest NM?

I'm town, eliminate Rockhopper

Explain why are you town? Is your claim legit?

[Not_Mafia]

Please replace out.

Are you trying to say that cows do wear clothes?

[ArcAngel9]

Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Yeah, her busywork/lamist ignorance/seriousness towards VFP's joke post all seem scummy.
But is any of that AI? Do you have other reasons?

If it's scummy to you, why you're waiting for others' opinions instead of voting?

VOTE: Rockhopper

~

Faria

Good. it seems Rockhopper just wants to agree just like that.

I won’t really have time to post much but I can say I did approve massclaiming when asked
Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

Lol! What lie btw??

Faria said that they want to discuss with Gamma first before confirming on the mass claim and after few posts they just claimed VT. When I asked about it. I became a suspect.

would you deny this?

But I seriously feel that has happened.

It's possible, but Gamma was also online around the time of the post... So would have been easier for scum Gamma to just post anyway...

Also Rockhopper is probably scum but that depends on the scumteams experience and knowledge of mech.

I second this.

I won’t really have time to post much but I can say I did approve massclaiming when asked
Also I kinda think ArcAngel is sus

~Gamma

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

I think Faria scum slipped and then just fake posted as Gamma to cover it up.

Spoiler:

That was a joke.

But I seriously feel that has happened.

It could just be the truth tho.
What's far fetched about talking with a hydra partner through discord?
And why would there be a need to make a fake cover up post as the partner even if the slot is scum?

there is no need but when I questioned or pointed to cover-up or a miss, I was attacked, my intentions were questioned and labeled as a suspect. I was just pushing it back on them to get a better reaction.

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

What more you expect to say? Clear you as a town. No way. You could be totally lying as you don't want the bride choosing you?
[/quote]
I was being sarcastic lel. Everyone's either town or scum.
I get that you meant it was NAI.[/quote]
And your point?

I believe we massclaiming.

I am Oracle, targeted Not_Mafia.

Gonna catch up.

Is this a joke? Is there a role as Oracle? Can you please clarify your claim?

I'm a VT

You need to stop trolling and start contributing a bit more NM.

Lovely. Fine.


We have 3 possible setups here.

1. Actress+Actress. Then mafia can't give suits for town, but impossible to detect via mechanics. If Rock is not mafia, then this setup is impossible.
2. Actress+Seamstress. I believe this is case. Actress disguised self, Seamstress gived suit for Rock. Then half of mafia disguised here.
3. Seamstress+Seamstress. I think in this case, mafia would just disguise each other as they please, not giving suit for town. I also can't notice 3+ Oracle claims, but probably not all claimed yet. I will consider this setup again when all claim.

Ergo, it's easy for mafia to fool mariage/oracles and only way is to blast suspicious people.

This doesn't make any sense.

Basically rock hopper is scum or a VT claim is lying

Mostly but he claims a suit. Can we really lynch him?

Why? Because I caught with you a lie? Your discord story is one-sided. You seem to want to push it back because I may have already smelled you correctly.

VOTE: Gamma Faria

Why fake it though? You seem a bit short on any actual reason to be pushing such a ludicrous suggestion
~Gamma

Oh god. I don't know why you stuck with that point. You need to contribute better. I pointed what I felt was a gap in your communication with the hydra. And your other head clearly forgot or slipped what she said and claimed right after and when i pointed that out, she brought up a discord story which looks very convenient. If my doubts ludicrous to you and so is your thinking on this topic.

If I had to guess the scumteam at this exact second I'd call it as ArcAngel+Rockhopper
ArcAngel's posting has been stilted as well as throwing shade in all the wrong places, and I don't like how Rockhopper has interacted with other slots

This is a very very hard OMGUS.

I'm a VT

With suit or without suit?

~

Faria

Cows don't wear clothes

Please replace out.

Enchant NM and I = basically conftown but we don't know who NM picked.
SMOKE is not confirmed town because they could be actress.

How are Enchant and NM are confirmed town? please clarify.

And the

ArcAngel

mam is also vanished after voting our slot

~

Faria

Not vanished. I was away.

I won’t claim exactly who I targeted, but it was someone in the non-suited VT claims

Why don't i believe you. Can you please be honest NM?

I'm town, eliminate Rockhopper

[/quote]

Explain why are you town? Is your claim legit?

[ArcAngel9]

Apologies. Trying to fix my quotes. I mixed up everything.

[ArcAngel9]

Please replace out.

Are you trying to say that cows do wear clothes?

[Not_Mafia]

Why don't i believe you.

I don't know, you tell me

[VFP]

Poor NM!

[Rockhopper]

looking at 190, I may have suggested a VT is lying but I was really being pedantic, because usually I'm under the working assumption that town

don't

lie. It's hard to fault PP from incorporating that tenant into their mechanics argument and then reaching the obvious conclusion. Speaking of lying; Rockhopper what were you hoping to gain from yours (how would this confuse scum)? If we are in the Actress/Seamstress/2 oracle world, which it appears we are, there's going to be a seamstress vulnerable to briding, and a fake suit claim could solve that problem.

It forces them to follow a different line of thought, which imo could be mildly telling since they'd know for a fact that it's a lie.

An Actress/Seamstress world would imply some townie lying about not receiving a suit. That's unlikely since a proposal would most definitely cause their elimination and a claim change to mafia would look too suspicious. I don't think anyone here believes that the benefits of increased cognitive load outweigh the cost of dying.

223; 227; Rockhopper; Enchant; where is this notion of a 3rd oracle coming from? Is there any reason to assume some other person is lying?

Based on that assumption, there would have to be another oracle if NM is telling the truth since {seamstress,seamstress} is the only logical scenario where no town gets a suit if I'm not wrong.

[Not_Mafia]

Please replace out.

Are you trying to say that cows do wear clothes?

[Rockhopper]

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

This was sarcasm.
I wasn't really denying anything.

[ArcAngel9]

Why don't i believe you.

I don't know, you tell me

I am actually good this with lynch. Please join me.

VOTE: Not Mafia

looking at 190, I may have suggested a VT is lying but I was really being pedantic, because usually I'm under the working assumption that town

don't

lie. It's hard to fault PP from incorporating that tenant into their mechanics argument and then reaching the obvious conclusion. Speaking of lying; Rockhopper what were you hoping to gain from yours (how would this confuse scum)? If we are in the Actress/Seamstress/2 oracle world, which it appears we are, there's going to be a seamstress vulnerable to briding, and a fake suit claim could solve that problem.

It forces them to follow a different line of thought, which imo could be mildly telling since they'd know for a fact that it's a lie.

An Actress/Seamstress world would imply some townie lying about not receiving a suit. That's unlikely since a proposal would most definitely cause their elimination and a claim change to mafia would look too suspicious. I don't think anyone here believes that the benefits of increased cognitive load outweigh the cost of dying.

223; 227; Rockhopper; Enchant; where is this notion of a 3rd oracle coming from? Is there any reason to assume some other person is lying?

Based on that assumption, there would have to be another oracle if NM is telling the truth since {seamstress,seamstress} is the only logical scenario where no town gets a suit if I'm not wrong.

Didnt enchant already claim oracle? And you already claimed to have a mafia suit. I am confused with your thoughts.

Let's massclaim.
I'm a VT with a seamstress suit.

At this point you're either you're town or scum.

That's a bit of a stretch

This was sarcasm.
I wasn't really denying anything.

Why is this post brought up again?

[Not_Mafia]

I am actually good this with lynch. Please join me.

VOTE: Not Mafia

But why?

[ArcAngel9]

I am actually good this with lynch. Please join me.

VOTE: Not Mafia

But why?

A) You're trolling
B) You're lying
C) you're uncooperative

[Not_Mafia]

I'm not lying