Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 1.10

[5] mastina: NorwegianboyEE, Bingle, Dunnstral, T3, cyrus62
[4] NorwegianboyEE: mastina, Flea The Magician, Taly, NDMath
[2] T3: Dwlee99, House
[1] Almost50: Almost50
[0] Taly:
[0] House:
[0] Flea The Magician:
[0] Infinity 324:
[0] Dwlee99:
[0] Bingle:
[0] cyrus62:
[0] Dunnstral:
[0] NDMath:

Not voting: Infinity 324

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-07-20 22:28:21).

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: T3
?
Any other takers?

Not really.
I feel like Mastina is our best shot here, and their long breaks is not something i’ve seen from Mastina before.

If you really think I'm being taken for a ride with Mastina for fuck all reason that I know, tell me now.

Assuming you are then why don't you consider that Mastina's case is based on nothing they can describe in good detail.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is anybody reading my posts?

Is anyone there?

anyone there?

anyone there?

HELLO?!

HELLO?!

HELLO?!

HELLO?!

[Infinity 324]

So, why is Dunn Town here (aside from the Mason shot claim)??

He isn't. He's town because of the mason shot claim

[cyrus62]

If you want me to see you as town at least work with me a little show me why you find them town. Or maybe go with my idea as for me I have 1 scum role. Rest town.

Here do this to earn my trust.

All right. Mental note to do this next time I'm in the thread. Really tired and am logging off, but I'll work with you on this and your thoughts on A50.

In truth, I don't have elaborate reasons to townread Infinity. I've just found that their interactions with multiple players do not align with S/S, and that cultivates into me thinking Infinity is closer to town.

I don't feel strongly about any points against Infinity so far...the one or two ones that aren't forgetable. I think their play is too inoffensive to have opportunistic intent, and I find that they're more responsive than what I'd say someone more calculated or agenda-driven is. Neither of these premises exclude scum play at large, but I'm comfortable with the Infinity townlean.

I also doubt Infinity-Norwe SvS happens,... and my recent interaction with Norwe strengthened my scumread of his slot.

my main issue is not one person besides house even want to help I stated why I find some roles bad play here and I get no response from any one nor does any one but a50 want to play all town both or all scum. All I asked is do this or at least state you don't want to play. But I know any one reading my play knows I'm trying to solve .

@flea come at me . Tell me why I'm scummy. If you know me at all you would know I always act this way tell proving other wise. Also I said I was going off my town to see who called me on it.

[Infinity 324]

I don't think it's helpful to give scum any info about what's in our packs

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dwlee instead of wasting time vanity wagoning how about voting Mastina?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or at the very least sell us on why T3 is an better choice.

[Dwlee99]

Can someone finally verbalize the T3 scumreads?

I feel like he was trying to pocket me earlier in the game by calling me obvtown but then a little bit after I started scumreading him he dropped it to "I only townread them before for the Cyrus townread." He also had some weird votes.

@norwee

[Flea The Magician]

So, why is Dunn Town here (aside from the Mason shot claim)??

He isn't. He's town because of the mason shot claim

Town for now, he would need to use that ability to be confirmed.

[Flea The Magician]

@flea come at me . Tell me why I'm scummy. If you know me at all you would know I always act this way tell proving other wise. Also I said I was going off my town to see who called me on it.

Oh I'm aware that I scumread your playstyle by default, and it's something I'm trying to work around.

When you just straight up sheep someone that from what I can see you've been hardpushing, it's a lil questionable.

[Bingle]

Bingle I'm not happy that you seem to think Mastina/I must contain scum.

I don't really. I think both of you individually are scummy, and that you are significantly less scummy if mastina is scum.

I think mastina is scummy. Why do you think she's towny?

I think your "mastina isn't the only one lockscumming Norwee so it's not a 1v1" is v pockety and manipulative. I also dislike how you took up the crusade and didn't let mastina elaborate on her reasons to lockscum Norwee. I also get the distinct impression from your posting that you're trying to build a narrative of you being reasonable and Norwee not being reasonable that comes across as skeevy.

I wouldn't be particularly surprised to see Norwee flip scum, but I'm really not sold on it at all and the whole righteous crusade he's obvscum stuff coming from you/mastina/flea doesn't really help that. Hell at least out of the three of you you have reasons, but they seem disproportionate to the strength of your push. (reasons being, if I'm parsing you correctly: a shallow game entrance, him seeing scum motivation in your hop on, insincerity in his push on you)

[Bingle]

Flea can you point at what posts made you go from

See I've caught ScumWee pretty early before, and I'm not feeling this vibe...

to

I'm prtty sold on Norwee scum here, honestly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle what do you think about House’s recent votes and the reasoning behind them?

[Bingle]

Because someone is going to ask inevitably, these are all the Taly posts I think are scummy. I'm conflicted here because I think that Taly has been towny in every interaction that isn't with Norwee or Mastina.

Spoiler:

This doesn't read sincere and I'm getting frustrated.

Norwee has a point here that being frustrated with a scumread being insincere is pretty meh. Of course scum are going to twist what you say. It doesn't really feel like Taly is treating Norwee as a scumread at all.

Why does one of us have to be scum? Why is a town led wagon on you so far from conceivable?

And if you think we are TvS, what are you doing right now to determine you do not mislim? And what if a mislim occurs then, the other is confscum?

This is really pockety towards mastina. I don't see any attempt from Taly to actually read her, but here he's pretty actively trying to paint Norwee thinking a wagon on him could be scumdriven as scummy. Not to mention all of these are leading questions that don't really have a towny response to them. It feels more like Taly is trying to paint himself as being reasonable and considering things than actually being reasonable.

So I really need convincing if you think Taly/Mastina/T3 ever exists here.

The "there's five people voting you thing" is a bullshit argument, but this line takes the cake out of this post: "Convince me I'm scum" is like the height of performative posting.

[Bingle]

I think they're reasonable coming from House. Not exceptionally town, but it feels consistent with House's logical progression.

I independently think T3 is town for reasons I can't go over at the moment.

[Infinity 324]

All these wagons are meh to bad

VOTE: dwlee

[Flea The Magician]

Flea can you point at what posts made you go from

See I've caught ScumWee pretty early before, and I'm not feeling this vibe...

to

I'm prtty sold on Norwee scum here, honestly.

Lack of follow ups on questioning mainly and the vibe is matching CaD mafia.

[T3]

His hop on looked opportunistic though.

Time spent on Norwe was, like, 25 hours.

Then he hops off to fuel the counter wagon?

Nah, fam.

[T3]

How much do you scum read norwee here? I'm okay with t3, you seem okay with t3. I still don't get why people are so averse to my a50 read but I can go with t3 instead of voting a null (Mastina) or townlean (norwee).

I'd like nothing more than to see T3 limmed, today.

His red flip will have me locked onto Norwe until one of us dies though, because T3's hop on/off looks like an attempt to derail Norwe.

I just don't do this kind of stuff as scum.

[T3]

How much do you scum read norwee here? I'm okay with t3, you seem okay with t3. I still don't get why people are so averse to my a50 read but I can go with t3 instead of voting a null (Mastina) or townlean (norwee).

Your A50 read is based on a 'could be' and not actual evidence.

[T3]

Townreads: mastina, dunn, cyrus, NDMath, taly, T3 somewhat

These are MY TRs, minus Dunn/cyrus and adding House instead.

So, why is Dunn Town here (aside from the Mason shot claim)?? Why does Dunn always get TR'd for doing nothing?? because in my experience it's NAI for him.

With this postcount I'd say he's a townlean.

[T3]

I think they're reasonable coming from House. Not exceptionally town, but it feels consistent with House's logical progression.

I independently think T3 is town for reasons I can't go over at the moment.

I think I know why - Sibyl's Elegy is a good scumgame to meta me by.

[T3]

Ugh...
Don't 1v1 s usuallt come from town though?

[mastina]

So full confession, still not in the mood to play, but I needed to log in for something fairly important which means that I needed to do this after that.

Mastina, what makes Flea locktown?

It's a number of things, actually.
1: General resonance of vibes. Flea is going through a lot of the same things as I am and seeing a lot of the same things I am, but critically, are not exact duplicates, given Flea has multiple reads I do not agree on. However, the overall vibe being so similar in nature to me with what faer doing and going through makes me think town.

2: Flea's approach to the game is in fact similar to Flea's approach last Draft Mafia, where fae were town. While it's not impossible to duplicate as scum, it adds to the already-present evidence that Flea is town.

3: Gut.

4: Honestly, personal bias; I like Flea as an individual and when push comes to shove, whenever I find myself lacking in reads on D1, I will just townbin the people who are brilliant rays of sunshine who I love to play with and Flea fits that criteria.