Micro 1019: Dead Silence GAME OVER!

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im feeling ok to be a miselim d1

excellent

VOTE: bugspray

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i would never

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fwiw I figure this game is likely to be quiet until next week just bc it's pride and 4th of July weekend

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but I don't want to E-1 on page 1

coward

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do what your heart tells you to do

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or I guess what i'm really saying is

Spoiler:

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bugs/dwlee team, calling it now

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nailing scum and looking good while I do it?

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then I'm at a loss, I'm just a good scumhunty boi who's innocently messing around and not baiting anyone to put anyone else at e-1

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'menagerie'?

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oh, that's who you are

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someone put bugs at e-1 and let's get this party started

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I forgot how to play scum so I just wanna get a quick hammer off before p3

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damn straight

but seriously, let's get an e-1 vote on bugs

thana, dwlee?

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T3 my saviour

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my urge to yeet T3 is steadily rising which based on prior experience means he's more likely town than not

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but seriously, let's get an e-1 vote on bugs

it is hard to imagine you think this would be +town

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I'm getting positive feelings from VFP, but right now I can't tell if I think they're genuinely being Townie, or if I'm just enjoying them not adding to the pointless banter.

Menalque, no response to me?

what were you expecting? like, if i'd answered "no, I'm obviously not scum hiding behind unsortable memes" (not to mention I haven't even been particularly meme-y this game) how would that have been useful?

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I absolutely don't believe that T3's post restriction is real lmao

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Because it is a bastard game there is a chance it wouldn't be randed, correct?

I mean yea, but it's just such a weird and annoying restriction to give that I doubt it's real

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Or T3 is lying and he's town.

?

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not following

why does T3 lying about post restriction = T3 town instead of T3 memeing?

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but seriously, let's get an e-1 vote on bugs

it is hard to imagine you think this would be +town

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? you are familiar with bugspray and know that they are fairly likely to be pressured at some point anyway and it is hard to imagine you thinking, ah yes, let's just push bugspray to hammer range to... find the mafia?

like, do you currently think bugspray is more likely to be mafia than everyone else? or do you think this wagon will somehow discover bugspray's alignment?

what, to your mind, is objectionable about having someone in hammer range? it's not particularly important that it's bugs but there's also no reason why it shouldn't be bugs, although this is I guess already yielding some kind of benefit

I don't particularly think bugs is more likely to be scum than anyone else or that the wagon will be *that* helpful in sorting them, but that's still not a reason to not get the wagon up

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As town the lie is normally X is town or "I'm town"

did you mean to say "as scum" here?

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I mean yea, but it's just such a weird and annoying restriction to give that I doubt it's real

also there were prior references to post restrictions et cetera et cetera

where? I just checked the sign ups and all the setup information provided was "yes" when asked about bastardry

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I mean I wouldn't really characterise your vote as a push, so

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what, to your mind, is objectionable about having someone in hammer range? it's not particularly important that it's bugs but there's also no reason why it shouldn't be bugs, although this is I guess already yielding some kind of benefit

I don't particularly think bugs is more likely to be scum than anyone else or that the wagon will be *that* helpful in sorting them, but that's still not a reason to not get the wagon up

the last game i played in, of which you were a moderator, involved multiple wagons of this sort which were definitely not beneficial to the town, wagons aren't good just because, but once again, eh

yeah, but in fairness in that game town also inexplicably let Sigmund survive until endgame, so we're kinda talking apples to oranges here

and wagons aren't great just because inherently, but wagons are useful for (although less so the more explicitly this is discussed) is moving the game into more meaningful territory

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what's the difference between dynamic and mechanic

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I would've thought a post restriction is a mechanic vs procedural dynamic being like, idk, scum coming back to life or something

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where? I just checked the sign ups and all the setup information provided was "yes" when asked about bastardry

i meant that there were prior references to post restrictions within this game before t3 fully dove into the i have a post restriction bit, making it less believable

I mean again, I entirely don't believe the restriction anyway because again, it's a really dumb restriction that just makes the game less enjoyable and I don't think pooky would put that in his game

you may be right that he got the idea of faking it from it being mentioned

menal do you think scum is informed about any town power such as hoods? hoods are a common buidling block for bastard games because they are theoretically neutral even though in practiuce the existence of hood is normally bad for town

I have no idea, maybe? but like equally I don't think there's a reason to assume the existence of hoods just because the game is bastard as I could see the bastardry being incorporated in various ways (am assuming it will be thematic?)

also I don't really agree that the existence of hoods is bad for town, but that's a more general belief I have, I just think hoods get misused all the time

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what's the difference between dynamic and mechanic

A post-restriction is mechanically-bastard (which is marked as yes). But non-random role assignment is procedurally bastard. I'm saying I don't but that there exists a "repeat everything thrice" role that T3 just so happened to rand. (And we know Pooky couldn't have given him that role non-randomly.)

okay, right, I'm with you now

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I mean yes, the faked pr is annoying but I don't want to lim T3 for it unless he get's unbearably spammy or keeps it up for more than like, this weekend

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err

okay, I believe the pr a tiny bit more now maybe?

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Okay fine.

or not lmao

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okay T3, now that you're not going to do it word by word, explain the meta thing

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hmm, unless there's a PR at play that gets passed from person to person in a different form

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what the fuck is going on lmao

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whereas scum!T3... doesn't?

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hm

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Rereading, I don't think this was acknowledged. I found it weird that you decided to focus on my word choice there.

My point is: you seem to think I should have responded to you, but idk why you think I would? Like it’s not like you were really trying to get me limmed (hence the word push being relevant) you were just saying you disliked my flippancy around the early game which is something I present in ~most~ of my games, and additionally you weren’t asking me anything you were just.. saying you disliked my post lol

You yourself are saying your vote wasn’t exactly meant to accomplish anything other than express a dislike of my answer, and I didn’t particularly feel like litigating that

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BurgerParty do i know you?

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I have a light scumread but I’m not outing it yet, I want to see how they proceed

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Mena does more stuff thannthis.

lol

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Boy do I have some bad news for you, VFP

Spoiler:

it is not you

although, in fairness, if it were I’d still say this

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eh only 4 pages, I'll take it

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I like mena!town

y

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wiat is thana shiki?

oh thana is shiki
hi!!! <3

hmm

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though it seems likely to me you would have known this before

yes

this has been Very Obvious for A While

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anyway, VOTE: dwlee

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nah

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I actually don't disagree on burger but I'm still ~unsure~ on Nathann and thana atp

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idk I want mom to answer on why she had townpings on me by the time she entered but I feel like you have been (I guess up until now) sucking up to the players who are likely to be harder to lim and who are presenting as towniest so far which is uh

not something I like from you

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me and mom

And uh, yes, the only person who I feel confident on other than maaaaaybe mom is T3 and that’s v much reverse institution

VFP might be town but not sure, if VFP town then I feel good about T3 town instead of getting to it through fucky logic, but I can also see VFP scum playing for a pocket on T3

then bugs is just like ehh, maybe town but more just bc there are 4 slots worse but of those I think you and burger are easily at the bottom of the pile

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Realising I probably should have sat on it longer but I’m super fucking tired and critical thinking about when to out stuff is not great

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I think you're completely making up this sucking up thing

mmm

I want a wagon because wagons are fun but I don't want to E-1 on page 1 so HURT: Bugspray

Well you always look good but no it isn't that

Mena is too good-looking to be scum

VOTE: Nathan
Mom is town methinks

hmmm

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Not wanting a wagon is explicitly not sucking up to you and I was referencing your FWAN with the other posts. I am happy with mom's entrance given what happened in dogs v cats that just ended.

oh lol, I’d forgotten i posted that around that point. hmm

I’m not reading cats n dogs but what’s the cliffnotes on the mom thing

You also modded a game where I did extremely similar things so yeah I think your push is made up

VOTE: Tigerente
Let's get an early wagon going

I feel like we are going to get along

swimmingly

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I knew that at the first look of your profile picture

VOTE: Tigerente

I like wagons

Another person with an amazing profile picture. Townblock it is.

If u think I remember more than a fairly bare minimum of posts people make in games I mod you are... mistaken

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Prod received, be around later prob

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I saw that stealthy ninja edit pooky

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don't think I didn't

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where tf is Nathan

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I think you're completely making up this sucking up thing. Also I'm just gonna put out there that my vfp/bugs townreads are motivated by out-of-thread things

you have no ongoing games with bugs, I checked so: spill

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I don't like the Nathan wagon, VFP/dwlee are not really doing The Good Posting and the "VFP sell me on T3 town" seems like a very easy way to have interactions that are very low-stakes and allow the two to interact while also going for a hard pocket

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so basically in conclusion: still wanna yeet dwlee, could do VFP instead I guess, kind of(?) coming round on burgerparty being a townslot if only from the fact that it seems like they're the compromise option for a bunch of people

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hm

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thana do u wanna vote someone

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Bugs is just town what can I say

I can't be bothered to find it but "x doubt meme"

altho, maybe bugs town yeh? but like, that doesn't mean a whole lot about you

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oh I fucked up quotes

"x doubt meme" was for 370

anyway I'm tilted beyond belief due to the wrap up of ferry's tarot u-pick so I'm ducking out, may be around tomorrow

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Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Yeh

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If nobody is interested in Menalque

Fam if I were scum I would just fucking yeet you lol

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for reasons

Such as...?

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Also the mom push is Not The One

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Can we please just not make me yell at people for once and yeeteth dwlee

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How are we in a world where the only person voting dwlee other than me is T3

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Yea the coasting vibes are kinda there and I feel egg-on-face a little bit. Still think her earlier posting was good and I'm hoping the lack of recent posts is real-life-indicative rather than scum-indicative here.

Did you not have that conversation in your hood? We thought multiple hoods was very likely.

Like a "there are probably other hoods" conversation.

Fam how are y’all reading the game and not making a vote here

Like the bit on mom is such blatant fence sitting and the other posts are either fishing or informed fishing

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stop claiming hoods/no hoods unless ur lying in which case also stop but just because some people are gonna fuck up and tell the truth

also stop speculating on if we have PRs via hoods

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I think mom’s entrance for the same reason I think she liked mine, which is why I asked her about the early pings on me despite me not being outside range yet, which is we just played scum together and she felt like... distinctly different. That’s not enough to hard clear the slot bc that gsme was frankly a lot scarier than this one in terms of mechanics and PL

And it’s not about T3, it’s the “we’re pretty sure there are other hoods” is I think trying to prompt someone else to claim hood or no hood, and evidently it worked as both Nathan and thana claimed no hood and I can only hope one of them is lying and we’re not outing like, 80% of the setup on D1

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Which, like, bastard game or not, is pretty much never a good idea unless your mod is highly incompetent and hasn’t done anything to punish a massclaim on D1

Spoiler: pooky is not highly incompetent

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I think phrasing it as a cc was an obvious joke which something something nsg something something cognitive load

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Anyway, I came here to drink milk and yeet scum and I’m all out of milk

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Uh.. the cc wasn't a joke.

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nsg is northsidegal a very respected town player onsite who has a couple of useful theories/rules of thumb and one is that scum are more likely to interpret jokes as serious bc they have a higher cognitive load to deal with due to participating in active deception the whole game

that T3 was not joking and thought he actually could CC prooooobably makes that moot tho? Not sure, I still feel like the expected reaction would be to take it as a joke bc obviously you can’t cc a hood lol

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Also isn't the thing that made people claim no hood t3 saying "I think everyone is in a hood?" Menalque are you reading the same game I am?

Yeh but I TR t3 and think he was being naive whereas I think you were encouraging it when you should know better

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Mostly you just don’t give me the Good Vibes and I feel like okay enough with the rest of the thread to want to yeet in (you, VFP) today and then have a lower tier of (burger, bugs)

T3 is i think likely town regardless of VFP alignment

Mom gave me sufficient pings that I’m not interested in her today

Nathan deciding to come back and push mom of all people is like lolworthy if he’s scum bc it’s so obviously not happening

Thana is probably the weakest TR of the 4 and like I might be wrong here but her resistance to voting is reminiscent of how she played ydra’s mini imo and I think she’s just being methodical in her thought processes? Actually she should maybe be in a tier with bugs which is like a bit above burger

So then bugs is like ehhh I don’t really feel town but also doesn’t scream scum to me which is what I would expect from scum bugs (maybe a tiny bit concerning that I don’t want to yeet bugs harder, à la my T3 read)

Which leaves like (you, VFP, burger) where I think burger could be town who scum are circling around as a compromise D1 lim which then leaves me with... you and VFP neither of which have posted anything that made me go “hmm that seemed like a town thought” and you specifically haven’t said anything that makes me think your town in your responses to me, just like you’re not giving up and rolling over

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I was trying to engage t3 on what had happened in his hood

Why do you want to know this if ur town lmao

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Okay I’m switching to lying on my back so gone for a bit bc the sun keeps slipping round my phone and accidentally getting in my eyes

I’ll likely be around later if I’m not getting ketted up for the first time or passing out at home or doing some combination of getting ketty and passing out

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Bc why

Would you want

Scum to have extra info about what’s going on behind closed doors

If you’re town lmao

Like I refuse to think that you’re unaware that a major part of utility in hoods is in depriving scum of information (if hoods are all town that is) so trying to elicit information is scummy

I was addressing that egregious part of your post instead of responding to the bit about you fishing bc I think that may have been misread on my part if T3 was serious when he claimed he was CCing you which is now confirmed true

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Like the fishing bit is basically immaterial other than it fitting with my general thing of you inexplicably wanting to get as much info about the setup as you can which uh

Is not a town thing to do on D1 fam

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town has not gotten any useful information in about 4 days
this is a gamestate scum likes and will support

cool, vote dwlee

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town has not gotten any useful information in about 4 days
this is a gamestate scum likes and will support

> Posts nothing but useless shit and setup speculation for basically the whole game
> Outright refuses to solve or discuss when asked
> Has the nerve to complain about the gamestate, and without actually saying anything game-related?

cool, vote dwlee

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turns out there's a real simple situation to not much having happened here and it's called limming the scumfuck who is sitting directly in front of us

thana can you please make a vote for the love of god

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I mean it's kind of hard to have a solid read on you without you voting anyone and when you haven't like, directly addressed me in several days

I like the vote tho let's get this fucking wagon goinggggggg

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Choo-choo motherfuckers, bugs/mom/Nathan where u at

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lul

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i disagree with the value of information as you know, like past failures are due to inability to process that information correctly not mafia having it (and it seems super likely to me that mafia has some of it anyway) or whatever but there are still past failures so arguing about it instead of just asking people to see it my way seems ...

there is a reasonable chance that this may be bc I'm high but uh idk if I really understand what ur saying here

the value of which information you disagree about the value of? of voting for people?

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if that is what u mean then I do disagree but arguing about it is probably a moot point especially mid-game

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Informed town neighbor, Bugspray is confirmed town. Don't have anything cooler than that. Menalque is open wolfing here so kill him please.

this is like a non-claim lmao

but hey +side is if we flip you and you actually do green then we get a conftown so

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With 7 hours and scum doing literally nothing they're fine with this game state so can we do something yeah?

I mean you seem to be pretty desperately trying to not get limmed so I wouldn't say nothing really

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I'll compromise on literally anyone not me/bugs/shiki I think.

"I'll throw my VFP townread straight under the nearest bus if it means I might be able to get my grubby little paws into a new gameday via a compromise wagon"

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your transition on me is also funny lol, like trying to offer me a pocket by talking about how conflicted you are on my slot and then immediately shifting into "mena is open wolfing" when I don't let up on you

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I'll compromise on literally anyone not me/bugs/shiki I think.

"I'll throw my VFP townread straight under the nearest bus if it means I might be able to get my grubby little paws into a new gameday via a compromise wagon"

Yeah almost like it's worse to kill confirmed town (me) than it is to kill literally anyone else unless they're a strong power role.

I mean technically yes but the fact that you're particularly trying to keep people like VFP justified as part of the pool you'd vote in instead of like, trying to bring a coalition of your TRs around to vote Nathan makes me not believe that ur reads are actually real

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You're so unreasonable you must be scum

lol

what have I said that's unreasonable then dwlee

you not liking that I caught you D1 and am gonna get you limmed doesn't make me unreasonable it just means you feel salty

which I get, because I am too, but it doesn't change your role pm

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yeah, I read that post, so what?

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so you provided a justification for why you can lim VFP? that means nothing lmao, is there a reason I should think scum you is particularly unlikely to come up with a fake reason for why VFP can be moved back into your limpool after your earlier conviction on the slot being town?

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/attempt to suggest a you/them team as ridiculous iirc

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**3 hours pass no response**

bro

I have a real life
like

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Okay I’m switching to lying on my back so gone for a bit bc the sun keeps slipping round my phone and accidentally getting in my eyes

I’ll likely be around later if I’m not getting ketted up for the first time or passing out at home or doing some combination of getting ketty and passing out

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Menalque I feel like you're not this dense. If I want to sort t3 I will ask him what he thinks of his hood or what has been happening there. That doesn't mean he just spills to me that mom claimed PT god mother shuffler alignment cop doctor in the hood, that's not how that works. You're either being extremely dense or you think t3 is a blubbering idiot that would say too much info about the hood. I never asked who was in the hood. I never asked for more than "did you suspect there could be multiple hoods because we did?" And again you're extremely tunneled on me when we had Thana literally ask for everyone to claim all of their hoods.

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And there you're focusing on that instead of it just being me providing context.

yeah bc I already... addressed anything vaguely substantive that you had in the series of posts you just quoted?

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Like you have completely ignored any actual conversation to preserve this tunnel because town!you would know how stupid your tunnel is. You're scum.

just because I think that you're playing this from a scum pov and that's been reflected in things like your progression, your efforts to get additional information in the open, a claim that's like... very safe for scum you to make is it's unverifiable without bugs dying and also can just be part of a pocket attempt on one of the people voting you (which I think is kinda supported by the way you're approaching thana and putting her in the same class of conftown "would never vote today" as your supposed 2 conftowns)

I'm not avoiding you I'm just more interested in pressuring you given my confidence on your red flip

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What are you even on rn? Why do those forum times matter at all? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Ik you're in a different time zone that isn't my point.

because part of your framing is that I dropped out on you bc I what, couldn't' answer your points? when I'd just before explained where I was and what I was doing and that I was likely not gonna be on my phone for a while

then I went home and got stoned af and fell asleep

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I think you're far more desperate to stay alive than you are to make sure that I die or that if you can't get me today that I should die tomorrow

but you're not calling for my head or screaming bloody murder about that, you're picking on little holes that you think you see in my argument to undermine it and to try and save your own skin

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Each time one of your "theories" for why I'm scum fails you've jumped to a new one. You said I was scum for trying to play into "hard to elim town," then when that was clearly bs you hopped onto something else I can't remember. Your read on me is completely fake.

Pedit: you also missed how I have basically crumbed my role from the beginning of the game and that I claimed it to VFP and Bugs in our hood earlier.

Pedit2: no that wasn't part of my framing at all you're misreading me or lying.

uh, no lol. I've explained why you're scum from more than one angle, that's not the same as ~abandoning my theories and hopping to a new one~ bc they fail. like I think there was one thing that I was thinking you were scummy for and was using as part of my justification for wanting you (around you being the one who was trying to elicit the claiming of hoods) but I already said that I got that bit wrong. but like the collective set of reasons for SRing you also prejudice me towards seeing your other behaviour as likely scum-motivated so I don't think me being wrong on that one thing is particularly important

I also don't think I ever said you were scum "trying to playing into "hard to lim town"" and don't really know what you mean by that? if anything I said the opposite, that you were trying to pocket hard-to-lim town, not that you yourself were trying to slip into that role yourself

and again, your role claim is just like neutral bro? I'll give you it's a weird one for scum to come up with, so I am actually wondering if it's true you're informed of that for some setup fuckery reasons, but I don't think it's clearing

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You've jumped on like five different explanations for why I'm scum throughout the game you're forcing this read and it's obvious.

Assuming I don't die today I'm sure you'll leave me alive to mislim tomorrow and I'll have plenty of time to push you then.

again, me having multiple reasons why you're scum =/= me changing why you're scum multiple times

and like, lol. I'm p sure you kill me tonight if I don't get you today and tell your buddy to bus you tomo for the cred, that's how I'd play it if I were in your spot under pressure

the important reason to survive is that if a town player gets the cred for killing you then it's real hard for your buddy to win endgame. if you can hold it off just a day, it's a lot more winnable

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Playing into = pocketing

I'm hopping on a computer for this

uh, okay, and.. yes? that's one of the first things that pinged me, correct

some of it I misread (the stuff that was kinda referencing oog was my b) but I still think you were basically trying to position yourself to be lined up with me/mom who I think at that stage in the game were looking like the towniest slots/the slots likely to be hardest to lim

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Here's the sucking up progression, which ends with you admitting it was dumb and wrong/a misread but here you are still trying to say it's scummy like I can't refind these posts

I mean I said the "you being complimentary" bit was dumb but I don't think that the "being supportive of what me and mom were saying from early on" is wrong, I think you just haven't been able to sustain that on me bc I'm pushing you anyway and bc mom hasn't ended up being a priority for you in the end bc she ducked out of the game

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Next up is "dwlee and VFP are scum trying to have low-effort interaction in thread" which is just a dumb argument and I don't think he can honestly believe it

Spoiler:

I don't like the Nathan wagon, VFP/dwlee are not really doing The Good Posting and the "VFP sell me on T3 town" seems like a very easy way to have interactions that are very low-stakes and allow the two to interact while also going for a hard pocket

This Dwlee/VFP scum partners shit is so dumb because if anything they are trying to buddy me.

Bugs is just town what can I say

I can't be bothered to find it but "x doubt meme"

altho, maybe bugs town yeh? but like, that doesn't mean a whole lot about you

oh I fucked up quotes

"x doubt meme" was for 370

anyway I'm tilted beyond belief due to the wrap up of ferry's tarot u-pick so I'm ducking out, may be around tomorrow

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Menalque your theory rn is that I told my buddy to convince me of a read in thread just for me to essentially go "meh" on the entire thing.

Yeh

I mean I think scum often look to have some sort of interaction with their buddy in thread that will make it harder to ID them if someone goes down, and I think you/VFP had enough people SRing/SLing you that you would want to cloud the associations

however I think scum tend to find talking to each other awkward a lot of the time and one way around that is to answer like ~easy questions~ being posed to each other or to just get one to talk without really trying to pick them up on anything or to delve into what they're thinking, which I think fits you trying to look like you're having engagement with VFP without really sorting them in the process

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Where Menalque admits that all his reasons were wrong and it all just comes down to vibes, which is not at all what he is saying here. This one had multiple parts so there's the "you're fishing for t3/the game to spill hood info" which is just completely wrong and unreasonable, there's also the "you should have taken t3's CC as a joke if you're town" despite it not being a joke that I correctly read as serious, and then "asking t3 what happened in his hood is fishing for info again how dare you try to sort someone based on other information in a hood" part 2: electric boogaloo.

I... never said all my reasons were wrong and it just comes down to vibes? I said that if I need to give like One Big Reason why you're scum then it's hard to say any ONE thing is the hard reason why I think you're scum, and what I was trying to get at there is that its more like there are a number of ~bits~ that feel off and include stuff like the way you're approaching these posts and this back and forth -- as if, should you manage to find the slightest bit of flawed reasoning or me getting something wrong, that should invalidate everything I'm saying, and I think you're just upset that I can be "wrong" to be SRing you fypov while still being entirely right that you're scum. I think the reasons why I've caught you are perfectly valid, I think you just don't think they are. like this includes stuff being pingy about how you were trying to solicit more information about setup stuff (which again, how is that beneficial? something you clearly know because you didn't share your "conftown" info to main thread -- which, side point, is actually scummy to share to bugs and VFP privately imo, and feels like a pocket attempt on bugs which I also think makes sense if you and VFP are scum together)

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I wasn't supportive of anything you were saying early on because I explicitly pushed back on you trying to get bugspray to E-1. You're literally making stuff up to justify something you already recognized as incorrect previously in the thread.

bruh you put down the hurt vote on bugs to show like tacit support while avoiding doing anything substantive like actually making the vote

if you already knew bugs was conftown why not like, push back against things?

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I want a wagon because wagons are fun but I don't want to E-1 on page 1 so HURT: Bugspray

Well now it's page 2 soo...

like how are these followed by "you know what you're doing" your primary reaction to the speedwagon going up on conftown

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f VFP flips scum be my guest and try to paint me as scum with them but like we're in a hood together so we've had interactions in-thread and out-of-thread and we've talked there too.

would prefer to flip you first and then establish if it's definitely VFP scum with you or if I need to re-examine bugs or burger

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I think you're just salty that I don't explain every reason for why I think what I do or that sometimes I follow my intuition on things being ~wrong~ because you can't actually defeat that, so you're forced to try to combat my push on you by clinging to "this isn't reasonable!" which ehh at points maybe? like my concern is always more with seeing the person I want limmed actually limmed than being super concerned about making sure that I'm presenting a perfectly i's dotted and t's crossed argument to everyone on why that should happen

but that doesn't make me scum, that's v much how I approach all my pushes and is part of how I scum hunt -- if I suddenly feel that I'm going down the wrong track, because a certain post rings true to me, I'll radically reverse. that hasn't happened at all the whole time I've been pushing you/regarding the way that you've been trying to fight back against me and survive

and like... I just don't find that plausible? I think that if you have the role you're claiming then you don't make a post that's like, broadly supportive of the bugs wagon taking place there I think you try to like, idk, push more strongly onto someone else? I feel like you're trying to recharacterise your opening behaviour to explain something that would otherwise be v incongruent with ur claim

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welp bye. You got all you needed from me. Cya in dead thread or post-game.

cool, sounds like this is a red flip

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Hmm

Not sure what to make of T3’s roleclaim but mostly the thana!flip just makes me disappointed bc I don’t get to holler from the rooftops about how fucking good I am if scum are getting NK’d and there’s maybe up to 6 of them in which case lol this game

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Uh

Are you okay mom?

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VOTE: VFP

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UNVOTE:

Actually, first, if anyone can claim the thana kill then that should probably happen now to avoid making a bunch of erroneous assumptions about the setup

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Actually I’m considering massclaim today although generally making calls on mechanics isn’t my preferred wheelhouse

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I'm just going to say here, Bugs and Dwlee were scum together .

...you think dwlee claims conftown on one of his scumbuddies?

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one of their* fuck, sorry

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Idk fam, not sure that’s the one

I think seeing if there’s a claim on the kill is best move for now and after that has been claimed or not we can proceed

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Bugs originally tried to call me and Dwlee scum but last night was more concerned in where my thoughts were as if worried I was gonig to push there.

Mm

I’d like to at least hear back from bugs on this but I really think it’s prob just you VFP

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I guess if nobody claims the thana kill that does maybe lead some credence to T3’s claim? As in I don’t think scum are likely to claim it and if it was from a town role that’s not a full vig (possible but don’t see how that fits setup/concept) then I figure they’ll say

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This is why T3 should be considered as a traitor.
Which would probably mean Mena isn't town here.

Uh, no lmao. If this were true then I’d have recruited him last night, I may not be the *best* at spotting crumbs but there’s no way I miss something this obvious lol

I think thana dying is not necessarily strong town indicative for me (I do sometimes kill people townreading me to stop re-evaluation) but I had no need to here as scum on opposing team, i could just take my crew from the dwlee lim and coast on it for q couple of days

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I'm saying that the 'mafia' are really the uninfomed minority.

The mafia are always the uninformed minority bud

Do you mean that in this game you think they’re the uninformed majority? Bc like I don’t think that even with this game being bastard pooky would make it so that the like ~3 town players have essentially 0 shot of winning here

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I think we yeet VFP and then we can kill bugs tomo if I’m wrong/game doesn’t end

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VOTE: VFP

I’d like everyone to explicitly claim or not the thana kill in their next post

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Also let’s get VFP up to e-1 so they can sweat a little bit

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I’m on fire bay-bee

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Again, if I were scum T3, then thana wouldn’t be dead because I’d have traitorised you

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I would have killed you to recruit you lol

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Hence we’re missing a NK unless you think that instead of getting an OP 3 scum faction my actual plan was... shooting my buddy?

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Which like

I do love my risky plays but

I’m not quite that wild

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Uh

Yes it is lmao?

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lol @ VFP

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I’d like everyone to explicitly claim or not the thana kill in their next post

I do not want to shout

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“The 3 people voting me are all scum, as well as the scum that mena hardpushed yesterday and the scum that flipped last night, who mena clearly shot”

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*nods head at there being 5 scum*

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CLAIM IN YOUR NEXT FUCKING POST WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOT THANA

@EVERYONE

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I will start to personally berate every single fucking one of you if there aren’t some explicit yes/no claims on the thana thing

Literally the only thing we’re waiting on before we can keep this game moving and yeet VFP

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Assuming VFP isn’t gonna say because, well, lol

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I didn’t fucking scumslip you dumbass, I was making the very reasonable assumption that traitors are recruited in this game

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@nathan, VFP, burger, mom, claim kill or not on thana

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I don’t care if scumslip = good or not bc it wasn’t a scumslip lmao

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I basically had fun here but I think it would work better as 7-2

I think this was basically sunk from when nathann and I were wrong on the setup

Thanks for modding, ggwp all etc

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I think even with the confusion having it be informed AND 6-3 skews it in town’s favour even if the scumteam with a kill figure out setup? But it’s not like this can be run again so *shrug*

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No redactions in scum pt from me

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@mena

I feel you on the burn out. I have about... 15 or so games coming back and I have been town like 5 times

*hugs*

at least we share the pain