In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote: In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 619, Tanner wrote: In post 616, Chara wrote:i mean, i agree that Ircher has some votes, but it feels early to say he's an easier wagon when iirc Robert had the same amount or more (at least 3, by my count), and i believe i make three on Ircher.
my point is that scum want an easy wagon on a townie. and i don't think robert is a townie. therefore robert *cannot* be an easy wagon at all.
also considering how much discussion on robert there is, and many people are going "hurr durr lhf" (while ircher is picking votes up effortlessly), robert doesn't feel like an easy wagon at all.
Thing is optimal scumplay is never to take the easy wagon D1. But to derail it.
okay? this is relevant to my alignment how?
In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 682, Tanner wrote:have you read what i've written about robert and why i'm voting him? i saw you earlier asking that there was a robert thing, and like. what do you think of my case?
I'm in ISO right now and WHAT CASE!? THERE IS NO CASE HERE.
i don't fucking write cases i wrote one proper scumcase in my life and it was a disaster. but i'd talked about robert plenty of times up until that point and pretending that i didn't make my reasons clear is straight misrep
Well I'm missing them clearly.
posts up to there where i (majorly) talk about robert:
323,
328,
545,
565 (there's probably others, i just ctrl+f'ed "robert" in my iso and skimmed through.)
note while i was looking for these posts: i did mention in
552 that a small part of my read had to do with meta. but it was genuinely such a small part (because it borders second-hand meta to me and i have learned to ignore it) that it's basically ignorable.
In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 685, Tanner wrote:actually i don't care enough about it, hopefully he's gonna come back and make his alignment really obvious, one way or another.
why you voting chara, pooky?
Literally the entire case is a meta read. Amazing. And one you're not even that bothered about.
it's not. i'd never played with robert before.
But you have modded a game with robert, and previous game is still meta... so it's a meta read.
the vast vast majority of my read on him had nothing to do with meta. i was scumreading him for his bad attack on me, his bad follow up, bad patterns to pressure (or whatever it was at the time, i don't remember the exact timeline). like, just because i had *seen* him in a game before, doesn't mean i was *using* that game in my meta read. because, uh, i was the mod of that game, and my brain works differently when i'm modding and i know everyone's alignment.
In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 688, Tanner wrote:
it's not. my main points against him are the garbage push he made on me, then freezing / not knowing how to react once the information about alts came to light (second part of
545).
This is 100% absolute horse crap. Your case was entirely meta based and backed up with ketchup/catsup pretending to be hot sauce. I wanted to feel a burn, all I felt was sweet tanginess.
it. was. not. meta. i didn't know jack shit about robert's meta. are we reading the same game?
Apparently not. because i ain't seeing what you're putting down and it certainly ain't blowing my socks off.
sorry? maybe actually read my iso instead of just nitpicking everything i do as either obvious scum or mastermind deepwolf?
In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 796, Tanner wrote: In post 705, Amy Dunne wrote: In post 552, Tanner wrote:pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.
That would be really helpful.
debatable. second-hand meta usually just makes me tunnel what i already think. and you'd think that would stop me from saying "i should do meta research" but it does not.
do you plan on linking that "slip" from tse?
here's a take - i see absolutely nothing town-indicative in what robert has posted in his return.
upon getting back, he started getting pissy, doing the most surface-level omgus. he repeated not once, not twice, but three times that he's mad he's being wagoned for "not knowing alt accounts". i explicitly said that i don't give a shit he didn't know who i am - my problem is that his original attack on me and his reaction upon learning about the alt both reek of scum. his original points on me were garbage, and he has showed no re-evaluation of my slot upon learning the new info. even now! he chose to completely ignore me and what i'm saying (and why i'm voting him) and instead just go omgus someone else. you'd think town!him would, i don't know, at least *address* his read on me (you know, the thing that got him into this mess in the first place) by this point?
why the hell are people reading him as town? because he got mad? like, ircher called him out, he wasn't doing jack shit other than being mad and insisting he's being wagoned for not knowing alts. that's not town-indicative behaviour. and the "it's obvious i won't make it to night so people defending me are suspicious" like, you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?
Kinda like you're getting a lil shirty with my single handed push on you? That I've been sus on you the entire game? That you know by my rep I tunnel and its rare I stop? how about your points? Your persistent meta, using that he got caught out by not remembering every player and alts in a game he played in? Showed no-revaluation because why would he? Who you are had nothing to do with this push on you that I recall, I may be wrong.
Theres something amazing here though.
you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?
Coming from the wonder defender. Beautiful.
i don't know shit about your rep and i don't care. my points on robert weren't meta and framing them like they were as you're allegedly reading my iso is disingenuous af.
Ooooo I got to you didn't I?
I am reading your ISO, I am sharing my thoughts as they happen. I have not seen ANYTHING that suggests anything other than meta. It's busywork at best.
yes, you got me annoyed. congrats?
and again. "his original push on me was bad", "he didn't try to reevaluate at all when he learned that his og push was misplaced", "his activity patterns correlated with the amount of pressure he was on, which is scummy" had n o t h i n g to do with meta.
smfh i know right tanner trying to read someone by trying to figure out if their read on him is realistic or bullshit, how fucking dare he
no. 2
In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 868, Tanner wrote:for the record - i still would prefer to yeet robert. but i see everyone is going by the "he came back and *gasp* made posts and showed emotion, obviously town!!" logic, so.
i'm back to thinking amy is on the scummier side of things. i don't know why, but some of her recent posting feels like she's not happy to be here. (before you ask why i voted infinity - because i'm not townreading her either and there was already a vote on her.)
however, while i was starting to feel better feelings about nakata,
866 feels slightly off to me, specifically the last line. like, i get the idea behind "forcing townbloccs is +scum behaviour", but, that's a *big* part for why you're voting your preferred scumread? i dunno.
tl;dr, reads probably being trash.
Pretty sure this vote is weaker than an RVS vote, and the disclaimer is here again.
I think Tanner is nervous scum
Once again we have the self-aware "oh woe is unto me, my reads! They are trash! so low as to even be unworthy of pigs muck!"
-Dramatisation by me. Im that way out currently :3
letting people know when you're aware that your reads aren't what they should be? what is honesty?
No self-meta to back this one up? Interesting.
Peoples reads are generally naff, that's the thing. you're just making excuses here.
do you *want* me to find instances of town!me being honest about the fact that i'm not confident in my own reads at the time of posting them? again, tanner is scum therefore everything he did is scummy.
have i said "ackhucally this is my town meta, go read the 250-page mini normal 1337 so you'll see" anywhere? if i think i can make a second-hand meta case, i will directly link it to the relevant part.
In post 3642, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 995, Tanner wrote:that amy/nakata back and forth was so unpleasant to read, what the fuck.
In post 947, Amy Dunne wrote:Tanner, what makes you think I’m unhappy to be here? I’m really excited about this game, so I really don’t understand where you’re getting that from?
your recent posts before my
868 felt kind of bland and boring. and
844 felt scummy. i'm not too certain about your being scum right now though, recent posting felt better. i'll probably shelf it back to think about it later, as i doubt you're getting run up anyway.
clidd is probably town. also
967 (now that i'm actually reading it and not sleepily skipping over it) does feel like town ydrasse. i don't think i agree with the idea that scum!infinity > scum!nakata, but i wouldn't be *terribly* surprised i was wrong there. to me it feels obvious why nakata isn't extending the same mentality from robert to infinity, and i guess i don't really find it scummy, but this is probably better left for him to answer.
Posts are bland and boring (been reading his own apparently), there's a scummy post but behold! He is upon the fence! Amy is an established SR of Tanners at this point from the gist of the posts, so this jarrs me a little bit. "i'll shelf it for now because you're not getting run up anyway" - I hate this, I hate this so much. Why not case a scumread and get it going? At least establish it? And before you say anything, I've been on you all dang game.
because why would i? i'm a practical person. it takes time and effort to try to iron out a read, a read that i know that (1) won't do anything because i will not manage to convince people to vote amy anyway (2) would not be as good as it could be if i wait a little and get more info. some people take time to be sorted it's not a bad thing to admit that. not everyone needs to be sorted right away, it's ok to take time and strategize about how to get your own reads. again, shows you know nothing about my play.
Thing is I'm pretty good at picking up peoples playstyle. So far you've been pretty passive about this whole thing.
You're not even being reflexive. you are just full, on, passive. you're not ironing out a read at all, and with enough conviction in a read you can sway peoples minds. This is a game of psychology. Just being confident changes a lot.
Like I said, my god complex (fucking BPD) has kicked in, I am now pretty damned confident in myself and my ability to do what I do. Is it true? Well it won't let me say no... but you get the idea.
ah yeah, i was totally being passive around the infinity read. or the robert read. or the ircher read. i definitely didn't try my best to do what i thought was the best for the game and save loltownie ircher to wagon obvscum (which turned out to be correct! i was right!! fucking silent star!!! in any other game i would've eaten the nightkill on n1 for that but noooOOOOO)