Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

Yin is not scum...

Yin and Yang are the 3rd faction. They can't win, they can't lose. They have direct influence on the game.

Yin is darkness, hoping to help darkness spread.
Without Yang, Yin is nothing.
As darkness spreads, so does light, and the value of light grows.

Ever go and star gaze? You need to find as dark an area as you can get so you can see each and every speck of light.

Except Yin detonated Ircher which clearly helped scum wincon.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m amazed Clidd hasn’t locked Tweetie in as town yet.

[Morning Tweet]

are we just being trolled here

its starting to feel that way

You mean put him to E - 1 and see if he self-hammers?

Yes. I'd like to conftown him to see what Flea does.

Or Flea and Clidd? Idk but I’m asking you why is Chara scum? I want to understand why it’s being scumread.

Aside from having a strong belief in Tanner/Pooky/Ydrasse/Flea?...

Chara feels like it's looking for a chink in the town's armour rather than solving. I think its posts are towny in a way that is expected for someone as good as scum as it -- but considering how it originally scumread me this phase, is keeping Flea on the table as long as possible.. but at the same time -- fairly hard defending clidd at the start of this phase! I think the defense on clidd was necessary for a Chara/clidd team -- Chara gave reasoning why clidd never does something as scum and hoped it would work, I think. It's necessary that the clidd townread spreads for those two to win, so naturally Chara has to hard defend clidd at this point....

Of course, there's a possibility in my mind that I fucked up on Ydrasse or Flea -- i think that'd make Chara town

clidd's early game pushes align with scum interests + he's demotivated to solve lategame = he's probably scum

[Flea The Magician]

Yes my scum game is immense. yes my scum game has no limits.

Neither does my town game.
That you're all wigging out on me, means I'm doing something right when I get a red PM.

Nobody at any stage is allowed to vote for me

I will openly challenge that, I have maintained that, I will continue to maintain that in apparently what is becoming a silent star tradition.

I'm not even asking for blind trust.
My theory is backed so far. and I'll drop my notes here again for you to look over yourself. I even have post numbers for the bulk of it.

Spoiler: here i go again on my ooown...

• There are 4 criminals (286) across 3 factions (503)
  
  
• The public masonry is not criminal free. (503)
  
  Chara,

  Norwee

  and Pooky
  (282)
  
  
• Pooky has voted for a criminal as of post 981
  
  Ydrasse, Tweetie, Tanner, Chara
  (982)
  
  
• There is a maximum of 1 criminal in
  Amy
  ,
  Robert
  and Tanner (1254)
  
  
• A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. (1254)
  
  Nakata

  ,

  Infinity

  ,

  Ircher
  
  
  
• Amy
  has voted at least 1 criminal.
  
  Chara,

  Ircher

  ,

  Nakata

  ,

  Infinity
  
  
  
• There are no truely criminal in
  Amy
  , Ydrasse and
  Ircher
  .
  
  
• There is at least 1 criminal voting
  Nakata
  in VC 1.11.
  
  Ydrasse,

  Amy

  Dunne, clidd,

  Infinity

  , Morning Tweet
  
  
  
• There is more than 1 criminal in Tanner,
  Amy
  ,
  Robert
  , Ydrasse and Chara. 2154
  
  
• There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
  Ircher
  
  
  
• There is a Criminal in Flea,
  Nakata
  and Pooky (2355)
  
  
• There are 0 or 2 criminals in Morning, clidd, Pooky
  
  
• Amy
  has voted for a still living criminal (as of this post)
  Chara,
  Ircher
  ,
  Nakata
  ,
  Infinity
  
  
  
• There are criminals inside
  Amy
  , Ydrasse and
  Nakata
  (2806)

Grouplist

• MIN 1 ->
  Chara
  /
  Norwee
  / Pooky
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Ydrasse
  / Tweetie /
  Tanner
  /
  Chara
  
  
• MAX 1 ->
  Tanner
  /
  Amy
  /
  Robert
  
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Nakata
  /
  Infinity
  /
  Ircher
  
  
• MIN 2 ->
  Chara
  /
  Ircher
  /
  Nakata
  /
  Infinity
  
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Ydrasse
  /
  Amy

  Dunne
  / clidd /
  Infinity
  / Morning Tweet
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Tanner
  /
  Ydrasse
  /
  Norwee
  [/b]
  
• MIN 2 ->
  Tanner
  /
  Amy
  /
  Robert
  /
  Ydrasse
  /
  Chara
  
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Flea
  /
  Nakata
  / Pooky
  
• HAS 0/2 -> Morning / Clidd / Pooky
  
• MIN 1? ->
  Amy
  /
  Ydrasse
  /
  Nakata

Clearlist

• Ircher
  - 1656
  
• Ydrasse - 1656
  
• Amy
  - 1656 / D3 Start
  
• Robert
  - PoE bias-clear / D2 flip
  
• Norwee
  - N1 Flip
  
• Flea - 2642

[Morning Tweet]

Flea your theory is that criminals = scum

The thing is, all your reasoning proves is that Yin is consistent with who is a criminal. I am well aware of this, I figured out the criminals before you did and Norwe also kept track before me

The only evidence for what you believe is that Infy and Nakata flipped scum. However, they also WANTED TO DIE. They did not die because they were criminals, they died because they were scum jesters.

If you want me to believe Tanner or Chara are scum, show me why they're scum, don't point to Nakata and Infy flipping scum or the list of criminals. I am extremely aware of who the criminals are and it hasnt done a thing for me thus far

[Flea The Magician]

Yin is not scum...

Yin and Yang are the 3rd faction. They can't win, they can't lose. They have direct influence on the game.

Yin is darkness, hoping to help darkness spread.
Without Yang, Yin is nothing.
As darkness spreads, so does light, and the value of light grows.

Ever go and star gaze? You need to find as dark an area as you can get so you can see each and every speck of light.

Except Yin detonated Ircher which clearly helped scum wincon.

Which is a single minded effort to help scum win.
Scum could not detonate Ircher without claiming, which destroys their wincon.
Yin or Yang absolutely had to be the ones mechanically to do that.

[Flea The Magician]

This is actually painful at this point...

First scum will not self hammer. The cred is needed to secure their other being yeet.

??????

You realize our alignments are shown upon being eliminated right??

This makes no sense at all

Put Tanner to E1, tanner does not self hammer and clears.

Tanner is now bias-clear town to the majoriy of people.
Tanner works on getting Chara yeet.
"oh no drama!"
Tanner gets yeet because he's townier than the alternatives and he's clear.

GG.

[Morning Tweet]

This is actually painful at this point...

First scum will not self hammer. The cred is needed to secure their other being yeet.

??????

You realize our alignments are shown upon being eliminated right??

This makes no sense at all

Put Tanner to E1, tanner does not self hammer and clears.

Tanner is now bias-clear town to the majoriy of people.
Tanner works on getting Chara yeet.
"oh no drama!"
Tanner gets yeet because he's townier than the alternatives and he's clear.

GG.

In what universe does Chara get eliminated before Tanner.

Tanner would come first.

If he flips scum, Chara is locked out of the game, GG

No?

[Morning Tweet]

I'm being trolled

I'm going to review Ydrasse specifically because thats the read im most unsure about now

[Flea The Magician]

AWAKEN,

VILLAGERS

OF THE PIT!

A harsh cry jolts you from your sleep, and you awaken to unfamiliar surroundings inside a stone house of sorts. The last thing you remember is being captured and knocked out by the Royal Guard...

You leave your makeshift house to investigate. Others follow from similar houses, seeming to arise with expressions matching your own.

Spoiler:

A man wearing a top hat greets you all.

Welcome to your new home, friends - the pit. You're all here for crimes of treason, murder, theft, arson... you name it. However, there is a slight problem; I'm fairly certain a

good amount of you are innocent and wrongfully convicted.

But no matter! I'm sure if you spend some time together, you will become very good judges of each other's character. Sentence someone between yourselves to death by nightfall, good luck. Oh, and one last thing!

He points to a man and a woman standing a little apart from the main group.

This is Yin and Yang; they'll be accompanying you here in the pit. Yin may have vital information for you and will answer any question you ask. Yang may or may not have information for you and may or may not answer any questions you ask.

The man transforms into a bat and flies out of the pit, the 100 metre stone walls powerless in stopping him. The Menagerie sure did have a toll on this world...

Spoiler:

You look around at your newly acquainted

friends

.

In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:

You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional

criminals

to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their

criminal

skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.

TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.

[Flea The Magician]

That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...

[Morning Tweet]

I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is, as much as that ties in with what we have, it's still going to get hand waved away...

[Flea The Magician]

I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

Eeeey right on time.

[Morning Tweet]

That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...

You have to concede that if the team is Tanner/Chara they always lose.

We eliminate Tanner -> he flips scum -> we never eliminate Chara

You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself

[Morning Tweet]

I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

Eeeey right on time.

No but seriously, what point are you making with the flavour

[Amy Dunne]

are we just being trolled here

its starting to feel that way

You mean put him to E - 1 and see if he self-hammers?

Yes. I'd like to conftown him to see what Flea does.

Or Flea and Clidd? Idk but I’m asking you why is Chara scum? I want to understand why it’s being scumread.

Aside from having a strong belief in Tanner/Pooky/Ydrasse/Flea?...

Chara feels like it's looking for a chink in the town's armour rather than solving. I think its posts are towny in a way that is expected for someone as good as scum as it -- but considering how it originally scumread me this phase, is keeping Flea on the table as long as possible.. but at the same time -- fairly hard defending clidd at the start of this phase! I think the defense on clidd was necessary for a Chara/clidd team -- Chara gave reasoning why clidd never does something as scum and hoped it would work, I think. It's necessary that the clidd townread spreads for those two to win, so naturally Chara has to hard defend clidd at this point....

Of course, there's a possibility in my mind that I fucked up on Ydrasse or Flea -- i think that'd make Chara town

clidd's early game pushes align with scum interests + he's demotivated to solve lategame = he's probably scum

Yes, that’s why my tr on him dramatically plummeted. I see, maybe?

Well I’m okay with Tanner being limmed if you want to wait until tomorrow? Personally, this back and forth with Flea and Tanner is just stalling the game atp.

[Flea The Magician]

That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...

You have to concede that if the team is Tanner/Chara they always lose.

We eliminate Tanner -> he flips scum -> we never eliminate Chara

You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself

That is the play I would make, that is the play AMY

has

made.

Tanner doomed himself. That's the funniest thing here.
It was down to asking the right questions and the right people.
We got fucking lucky.

[Flea The Magician]

I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

Eeeey right on time.

No but seriously, what point are you making with the flavour

Read it tweetie. I'm not going to lead the charge here because nobody will follow me. Hell I even made it easy.

[Amy Dunne]

In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:

You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.

TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.

So is Robert actually alive then?

[Morning Tweet]

That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...

You have to concede that if the team is Tanner/Chara they always lose.

We eliminate Tanner -> he flips scum -> we never eliminate Chara

You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself

That is the play I would make, that is the play AMY

has

made.

Tanner doomed himself. That's the funniest thing here.
It was down to asking the right questions and the right people.
We got fucking lucky.

????????????????????????

I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?

Eeeey right on time.

No but seriously, what point are you making with the flavour

Read it tweetie. I'm not going to lead the charge here because nobody will follow me. Hell I even made it easy.

Nowhere does it say vote for criminals or that we need to get rid of criminals or that criminals are scum... so? It's flavour. I'm going to read the game instead

If Hectic actually gave us the names of the entire scumteam on a silver platter because we ASKED, I will concede you were right. And also that this game was designed terribly

[Flea The Magician]

Yin may have vital information for you and will answer any question you ask. Yang may or may not have information for you and may or may not answer any questions you ask.

Kudos to both NPCs for playing this out so well btw.

and according to the flavour, yes, just not in the pit in which the context of the game is set in.

[Morning Tweet]

In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:

You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.

TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.

So is Robert actually alive then? :lol:

LMAO i think Norwe and Ircher are the only dead people in flavour

[Flea The Magician]

If Hectic actually gave us the names of the entire scumteam on a silver platter because we ASKED, I will concede you were right. And also that this game was designed terribly

Is it though?
Is it really that badly designed?

You cannot account for human stupidity.
Anyone who has ever been a Games Master, Dungeon Master, Storyteller, Narrator, etc will tell you this is the most important lesson you need to learn.

We had to work for those names tweetie. We had to work out which questions to ask, and even then who to ask about.

[Flea The Magician]

And even then, some of them are PoE because some of us kept notes. we both kepts notes.

How many games mechanically fall apart because someone doesn't take notes?