Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[catboi]

I plan on casting my vote at the keep as kingmaker, yeah.

I would vote for you.

[skitter30]

Catboi you're kinda avoiding the crux of my issue here ...

And thay was 2 irl days ago

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Scum are not even incentivized to have bad reads. In general they are incentivized to bus, I think.

Can you explain this? Why are they incentivized to bus?

[catboi]

As either alignment I have motivation to act selfishly here if the opportunity presents itself. I don't think it's hard to grasp why I'd hesitate to go down the route that I know scum (you or implo) is presenting to me.

[catboi]

Catboi you're kinda avoiding the crux of my issue here ...

And thay was 2 irl days ago

I mean, my issue here is that if you're scum you have evey reason to want to steer town toward an incorrect conclusion, and that's kind of what I'm worried you're doing.

[skitter30]

As either alignment I have motivation to act selfishly here if the opportunity presents itself. I don't think it's hard to grasp why I'd hesitate to go down the route that I know scum (you or implo) is presenting to me.

Uh you're conflating two things here?
I want you to vote t3
On top of that, i just want you to act like you're expecting to *vote* because you're acting reluctant and that is what scum-you does here

And mostly i'n just kinda annoyed that you were acting like i was being unreasonable when i said you would try to get out of voting, which is precisely what you seem like you're doing

[skitter30]

Catboi you're kinda avoiding the crux of my issue here ...

And thay was 2 irl days ago

I mean, my issue here is that if you're scum you have evey reason to want to steer town toward an incorrect conclusion, and that's kind of what I'm worried you're doing.

And i mean, my issur here is that if you're scum you have every reason to want to encourage other people in keep to vote first, and that's kind of what i'm worried you're doing

On my end, i've explained why i think t3 is town and you're not engaging with that, but rather choosing to reduce his play to being 'inexplicable' without really trying to read him imo

Your entire reluctabce for t3 is not based on an actual read of him

[catboi]

Okay but as town I have reason to want to be voted too!

[Something_Smart]

Can you explain this? Why are they incentivized to bus?

Well, it's not like it's automatically better, but the assumption is that in general people are going to distrust what scum were pushing, so it would encourage scum to at least muddy the waters. And there's no direct penalty for bussing because even if they do get listened to then it makes them look better.

[catboi]

Catboi you're kinda avoiding the crux of my issue here ...

And thay was 2 irl days ago

I mean, my issue here is that if you're scum you have evey reason to want to steer town toward an incorrect conclusion, and that's kind of what I'm worried you're doing.

And i mean, my issur here is that if you're scum you have every reason to want to encourage other people in keep to vote first, and that's kind of what i'm worried you're doing

On my end, i've explained why i think t3 is town and you're not engaging with that, but rather choosing to reduce his play to being 'inexplicable' without really trying to read him imo

Your entire reluctabce for t3 is not based on an actual read of him

Shrug, I'll read him if I have to but I feel like you're trying to manipulate me.

[catboi]

Do you see how it feels, skitter? To feel like someone is trying to manipulate you?

[skitter30]

Uh in what way am i manipulating you r.e. t3, i'm asking u to actually read him in his play

And again gonna reiterate once more that i think given that apparently town you wanted to control your own destiny by being kingmaker or whatever nonsense you were saying, in that specific cotext wanting to be voted here is significantly more scummy than townie even if in a vaccum town wants to be voted

Pedit i dont believe i am manipulating here so no

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think it's Skitter/T3/S_S

I agree I think. How does.everyone else that isn't one of these 3 feel about this solve?

I think we make T3 hammer one of catboi or Dunnstral. Or if catboi and Dunnstral mutually TR each other I'll literally flip a coin and say which one should be hammered as town, as we know I'm town and have no incentive to manipulate it.

Knowing dunnstral's alignment gives insight into his D1 Keep Hammer. I think this is he most useful info we can get from any flips, so it should come first. I'm coming around on unwnd, and knowing catboi is town will solidify that. Knowing catboi is scum wont erase that turnaround or anything, I'll just have to ignore any of catboi's D2 reads.

I think this is the best policy btw, just ignore anything dead scum said and base reads on your own thoughts and those of flipped town. Maybe this is what S<S wa s getting at regarding the bussing. To counteract that we just ignore scum's reads

[Dunnstral]

I'm coming around on unwnd, and knowing catboi is town will solidify that.

I'm also town and think unwnd is town.

[skitter30]

I think that's an awful solve and am apparently just going to be incredibly annoyed as i watch this olay out

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Uh if you're scum this is your optimal outcome and town-you aparently wanted keep to 'control your own destiny by being kingmaker'

I'm just gonna say when i said this exact outcome would happen (you hemminf and hawing and letting other people vote) you derided the notion thay you would do such a thing because you wanted to vote

So ya
It looks like you're wiggling iut of it to me

Uh oh

[catboi]

Dunn, would you vote for me? I want to clear myself.

[skitter30]

Idk what you're trying to say

[skitter30]

And i'm p sure that t3 voting dunn is a better outcome than dunn voting catboi

[skitter30]

and unwnd not going anywhere quickly in this game is probably just to not look the same way she did when she was scum last time, for anyone else who was in that game and saw her do it. From what I understand S_S wrote the setup so maybe he was mod in that game, and he is the connection to that game. If he is the only connection to that game, it is highly likely that scum!unwnd means town!S_S

See, you had me going with the unwnd scum theory because I thought it was plausible, and then you make this post where you make a hypothesis based on arbitrary assumptions that are untrue whilst not bothering to do the bare minimum of research to see that unwnd, S_S, Dunnstral, and me were all players in the previous run of this game, (and I have referred to seeing it from the other side), and so I think posts like this are just meant to look impressive in terms of looking solvey while actually being utterly hollow and worthless and showing a complete lack of thought.

or, or, or... you read my post, and see that I specify that I am uncertain - "if he is the only connection to that game." I have admittedly not looked at that game, because I said "if". You would know I have not looked at the game, because you were in the game and know that S_S is not the only connection

I struggle to see the town motivation in making arbitrary theories based on easily disprovable assumptions. However, I think there's actually a fairly decent chance you might be town here regardless.

Ssbm you had the exact same fear as me and catboi is doing *exactly* this ...

[skitter30]

I think the person eho is most town (not you) should get to vote, and if ur scum you wont at all

Why would the person who is most town not simply want themself to get voted? This doesn't make a lick of sense. Of course, if I am scum there is no reason for me to vote,

but you already have my word that I will vote

, and if I go back on it I obviously won't get voted myself, which would guarantee a town win in the event I am scum.


So, again, I very much fail to see what your problem is supposed to be.

This is worthless, because at the time you vote, the Keep game ends. As scum, you can just say you're not sure yet, and the burden still falls on the other town to identify one another. Or, as scum, you can be swapped out so you don't have to follow through. As town, you can be swapped out to make it appear that you're scum that is trying to not follow through on your word here. So we can't put any stock in this.

Lol. Okay. If I'm at the keep and withhold my vote as scum, I still lose though, so why the concern trolling?

Wrong post, i meant this one ^

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Never mind. Thought I caught something but it doesnt check out. You've used the phrase before, plus I'm ICed so town!you is still motivated to mimic me

[catboi]

I didn't expect to be given an opportunity. But I'm not sure if the opportunity is real or just an attempt to get me to change my mind.

[skitter30]

Never mind. Thought I caught something but it doesnt check out. You've used the phrase before, plus I'm ICed so town!you is still motivated to mimic me

I dont even know what you're talking abt

[skitter30]

I didn't expect to be given an opportunity. But I'm not sure if the opportunity is real or just an attempt to get me to change my mind.

What happened to 'picking keep to control your own destiny'?