Well it's really really not. I've in the past not liked to be an ungated vig and when I have a vengeful it's usually a wasted role on me because for all of my faults I am pretty damn obvtown when town so am pretty damn hard to mislim meaning I'm pretty damn likely to not get mileage out of the roles.In post 1786, Bingle wrote:This sentence is damned close to a scumclaim from mastina.In post 1703, mastina wrote:As a matter of fact, I will not be taking the Vanilla as I already took a killing role to deny it from scum (I initially was planning to take one of the other abilities but when I noticed the killing role I had to opt for it for the denial to scum, regrettably), so taking one of the strongmans actually makes more sense.
However, there IS use for both the vengeful this game AND I am not against using a vig that is heavily gated and have in fact done so as town before. (Not often but it happens.) Plus, this was nearly identical to what I did in the first version of the game--I took the D2 supersaint, both to deny it from scum and because it wasn't useless as for whatever reason, there was a fair amount of suspicion on me on D1 there. It was fully possible that I was going to eat the D2 elimination there and I knew it so taking the role wasn't just to deny it to scum, it was also because I knew it was possible I may have a need for it.
Initially, on D1, I submitted (yes I submitted during the day, the mod said "I'll accept this if you don't change it N1 for your N1 action" because I thought you needed to submit during the day and the mod was kind enough to accept my initial day submission as an initial submission for N1) a different choice because I didn't notice the killing role in my pack. (My initial choice was one of the two investigative roles in my pack.) However, thanks to the way D1 played out, I decided to switch to the other choice in my pack N1...and when I was on my way to change over to that other investigative role in my N1 pack, I noticed the killing role that I had missed. (My initial pack had 2 investigatives and 2 similar powers but I didn't initially notice the fifth which was the killing role, and when I went to change my D1-accepted-as-initial-N1 choice, I noticed the killing role so I was forced to swap.)
And just like before, while it is
mainly
to deny it from scum, it has tangible benefits to it which make it useable by me anyway.Taking the strongman furthers this--if I have the Vengeful, obviously I can't use the strongman, but taking it means that the scum don't automatically know if I have the Vengeful or the N4 vig. If I have the N4 vig, there is a tangible benefit to taking the strongman because I think that even a town vig can activate the strongman. (Obviously should be doublechecked with the mod though.) Because scum can pick up defensive roles in an attempt to survive the N4 vig, a strongman on the N4 vig speaks for itself in its use, and again, by taking one of the two strongmen, I deny it from scum.
I have incentive to hide
which
killing role I have, because telling the scum what I have does no good to the town and lots of good for the scum; it is better to keep them guessing. But I've no incentive to hide having picked up *a* killing role, and pairing it with a strongman pickup, because it is important to let the town know that much and the knowledge that I have one makes the scum sweat more. The only way scum would know which one I have is if they have the other, so failing them having the other, they basically have to treat me as if I have both--In other words, they need to treat me as someone who, if they mislim, I am going to get a free shot, making them need to be more careful around me and try to get my favor and/or avoid wagoning me...while, simultaneously, needing to kill me before N4, meaning that scum have a huge incentive to kill me N3 or risk facing the consequences N4 because strongman vig is a free shot.
Basically, the scum know that I have a free shot, but unless they have the other killing role, they don't know if my free shot is day-based or night-based and must treat it as if it is both. They cannot safely wagon me, nor can they safely let me live to see N4, unless they explicitly know which I have in which case they know which of these applies. Which will still mean they need to play around the one I have anyway.
In contrast, all the town needs to know is that I
have
the killing role. Regardless of vig or vengeful, it shows identically to psychologist and gunsmith alike of me being able to kill, which makes me a miller to those roles. So the moment I picked the killing role up, I needed to let the town know I had it specifically to let them know not to waste those investigatives on me. I couldn't do this on D1 because I didn't notice that I had
the killing power on D1 in my packs, it was a shift in plans caused by D1's end being what it was and me going to recheck my packs intent on changing the action and discovering I had the killing role then.In hindsight, I probably should've mentioned it in my daystart PM but,
1: I was fucking
furious
about the Flea elimination D1. I was initially going to enter D2 cussing out and my daystart post that you saw was originally much much MUCH harsher and much much MUCH more abrasive because I was NOT in a good mood that you fucking eliminated my strongest fucking townread on D1, and,2: I was late into the daystart and thus had a lot to catch up on including seeing the guilty, meaning that by the time I commented, I had other things on my mind, plus,
3: I was multitasking at the time so it slipped my mind at the time.
So in hindsight I admit I should've done it a bit earlier, but the timing between my first post of the day phase and me claiming the killing action was only 5 hours apart. I left, did other stuff, and came back, and then the new content prompted me to remember to claim the killing action because I had forgotten to do so earlier.
It was still less than 24 hours after my first post on the dayphase in question though so I most definitely wasn't pulling this out of my ass.
Also I don't fucking lie as scum which you bloody well know so you bloody well know that everything I say above played out
exactly
the way I said it did regardless of my alignment, soooooo.Suffice to say; not a scumclaim.
