Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

I'm not reading all this. Occam's Razor people. Bingle picked ascetic or commuter to avoid investigation N1 and the gunsmith angle is a con to hide no second commuter in his deck.

I don't think this is a simpler explanation than if bingle is town

[Titus]

I'm not reading all this. Occam's Razor people. Bingle picked ascetic or commuter to avoid investigation N1 and the gunsmith angle is a con to hide no second commuter in his deck.

I don't think this is a simpler explanation than if bingle is town

Bingle repeatedly lying and only retracting when caught is simpler rather than town bingle blowing up all our investigatives to get a no result. The fact Bingle has no suspicion of Dwlee99 for his bullshit result is another factor.

[Titus]

*our protectives

[Infinity 324]

Without knowing dwlee's alignment you can't blame bingle for the no result

[Titus]

Without knowing dwlee's alignment you can't blame bingle for the no result

Sure I can. There's always a possibility of a no result. If you believe Bingle, he lied in order to get a result that had very little chance to hit scum and wound up burning all our protective power because he lied. Bingle wanted all the powerful scum roles to out too. There's just no way Bingle is town here.

[Infinity 324]

Commuter really isn't much protective power and I think I demonstrated how strong 1 investigative can be, so /shrug

I think bingle probably made a protown play

Not ruling out the possibility that he's scum and did it for towncred but

[Titus]

I'm legit going to pull my hair out. We legit caught Bingle in a lie that cost town resources, he's fished to find the good rules for scum, and has awkward interactions with House.

[Infinity 324]

The "caught in a lie" narrative only works if bingle could've thought there was a chance of getting away with it.

[Titus]

The "caught in a lie" narrative only works if bingle could've thought there was a chance of getting away with it.

No it really doesn't. Bingle needed to look protown after the ascetic fiasco. He knows the gunsmith is coming down the deck. He didn't take the investigative because it was more important for him to be immune from investigations than to investigate.

[Bingle]

Titus, with all due respect your tunnel here is even shittier than mathblades tunnel on mastina in that game she linked. The tunnel where mathblade tunneled mastina for being a mason in a game with a flipped mason-cop.

[Infinity 324]

The "caught in a lie" narrative only works if bingle could've thought there was a chance of getting away with it.

No it really doesn't. Bingle needed to look protown after the ascetic fiasco. He knows the gunsmith is coming down the deck. He didn't take the investigative because it was more important for him to be immune from investigations than to investigate.

Or he could've just...taken the investigative. So town doesn't have it. And it probably makes him look better.

[Titus]

Titus, with all due respect your tunnel here is even shittier than mathblades tunnel on mastina in that game she linked. The tunnel where mathblade tunneled mastina for being a mason in a game with a flipped mason-cop.

Then fucking do something protown. My tunnel is literally the only thing going on this game so it shouldn't be too hard.

[Infinity 324]

Yeah we really should get some kind of movement towards an elim. Over half the game isn't voting. It's ok to not know who to vote for, but you need to at least go through some sort of sorting process or even just ask for help on reads.

[Bingle]

Let's examine the narrative you're trying to perform Occams with:

1: Bingle took an ascetic or commuter on N1.
2: Bingle claimed, after the guilty on House, that Bingle had sent a commute to Dwlee (requiring Dwlee scum to hide the fact that there was no commute in that pack), in response to a 'failed action' result on him that could have been adequately explained by simply claiming one commute (also known as the number of commutes that were actually in the pack). If Bingle had sent a pack with an incriminating commute to a scumbuddy, the scumbuddy could have taken the incriminating commute, without saying he saw it.
3: Bingle instigated a massclaim of all the roles with disproportionate scum power that he had NO trouble forcing through even while being suspected of being in a mechanical 1v1, including the role you think this plan was supposed to expose. This massclaim then brought to light that there were more commutes in the ballcourt than there were in the equipment locker.

So your narrative is that I lied as scum to explain something that had an innocent explanation in a way where the lie had a high chance of being revealed on a day where my OTHER partner was already guiltied and dying. Not only that, but I pushed through the means of catching me in said lie only to then tie myself to my only remaining scumbuddy.

Presumably, you also believe that Dwlee didn't receive a Gunsmith, so I was lying in a way that would necessarily mean both me and my only remaining partner would both be eliminated if either of us ever was (also known as functionally gamethrowing at this point).

Also fun: In order for Dwlee and I to be scum together, I had to do all of this and then NOT make the kill, because Dunn claimed to have jailed me last night. That means that Dwlee the person under no mechanical suspicion as of last night, would have made the kill, in a game where detective, watcher, and follower are all likely to exist.

Alternatively: Bingle lied about something, knowing it would come out a day later, with the intention of protecting the N2 investigative shot he'd passed so that it could be used.

I too can apply occams razor. I think that Titus is actually an 8 year old, and she stole credit cards and hired an actress to play herself at the various Titus meets in order to fool the members of mafiascum so that no one would call her out on breaking ToS and having an account as someone too young to have an account. Clearly she should be banned.

[Bingle]

Then fucking do something protown. My tunnel is literally the only thing going on this game so it shouldn't be too hard.

Are you fucking blind?

I'm actively attempting to parse the vig claim from mastina, and I provided a full reads list literally a few pages ago complete with reasoning. Mastina is pushing Norwee and Dunn pretty hard, to which your response was literally: "I've solved the game I'm not going to read your case". Your tunnel is something I'm addressing, sure, but it is by no means the only thing going on in the thread and pulling you out of it, especially if you're town, is only going to make the game more readable because spoiler: LITERALLY NO ONE THINK'S YOU'RE RIGHT.

If you want to get me eliminated, you're going to have better luck AND reactions explaining why you think House and I had bad interactions.

[Bingle]

Btw what happened with the mason cards?

I took it, nobody else is in there

I think it's a fairly safe assumption that either there was no second mason or House had it and that's why T3 is dead.

If someone gets a mason card tonight they should def use it, but we shouldn't rely on masons to be useful at this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina i'm not sure Dunnstral's activity or playstyle is all that allignment indicative. As Infinity said, they tend to be pretty low profile in almost all of their games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually it might point more to town when considering it, because there is almost no agenda there and i don't see scum playing that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, Titus's result on math was a rolecop, so it's NAI for math

I'd let the Rolecop (Titus) decide. Like, without trying to "fish" for info, let me give you a hypothetical example: You Rolecop me and find that I'm still Vanilla on N3. Do you think that's NAI? Like, what scum would pass on taking ANY kind of ability for 2-3 nights??

I'll stop at this point. Please don't try to argue further for now. Maybe post-game.

Do you have any reads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus, with all due respect your tunnel here is even shittier than mathblades tunnel on mastina in that game she linked. The tunnel where mathblade tunneled mastina for being a mason in a game with a flipped mason-cop.

Then fucking do something protown. My tunnel is literally the only thing going on this game so it shouldn't be too hard.

Meh, Bingle has felt pretty town to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle what is your read on Titus here?
And A50 too.

[Titus]

LITERALLY NO ONE THINK'S YOU'RE RIGHT.

By the VC, no one thinks anything.

[Titus]

Meh, Bingle has felt pretty town to me.

Based on?

[Titus]

If someone gets a mason card tonight they should def use it, but we shouldn't rely on masons to be useful at this point.

Seconded.

[Dwlee99]

Bingle what is your read on Titus here?
And A50 too.

I wasn't asked but I think her shit push is bad