[MT2225] Chrono Trigger Chronicles - The Rise/Fall of Yakra

[Dwlee99]

And yea, it's also called a defense. Those posts aren't scum hunting. The entire day phase has been us going back and forth and mastina posting random things in between. Scum is just watching us do this song and dance

[House]

You're still not saying who's scum.

You're only concerned about self-preservation.

Come on man, if it's not you, who is it? Realistically?

Roden, Mara, and I aren't happening. If you suspect AW, there had better be a solid case.

You, mastina, and maaaybe Luke are the only realistic possibilities, as far as I'm concerned.

[House]

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

[Dwlee99]

I don't know who is scum. There is one person in six and I just have not thought about it hard enough to figure out seriously.

[Dwlee99]

AW was stuck on Robert but I wonder if it is because the plan was for Guillo and them to deepwolf by bussing him.

Everyone has reasons for me to think they are town so I have to go deeper and it's rough in a six person pack. PoE is typically how I catch people and the ratio of scum to town is low here + people having reasons to be townread.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: T3
SCUM QUICKHAMMER ME!! @H?!? !!

I'm tempted honestly.

-bear beario

Here is my case on AW

/s?

[Lukewarm]

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

I did not say this?

My shoot list was mastina > dwlee > AW > Mara Which keeps mara out of the people I am looking at until elo

The only people I had more likely to be town were you and roden

[Lukewarm]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

[Marashu]

You realize that, even if one of the ones above mara claimed frog, that would put me at shooting mara if they were still alive at elo right? If we get to elo, and mara is alive, yeah. I'm looking at them

I did not say this?

My shoot list was mastina > dwlee > AW > Mara Which keeps mara out of the people I am looking at until elo

The only people I had more likely to be town were you and roden

The way you're assuming you make it to Elo is making me nervous.

And plausibility is sort of different from likelihood in a way I can't articulate at this hour

I would like very much for you to articulate the point you are trying to make here. I think I would specifically like to know from what POV you're framing this from, because it sounds like it's coming from the POV of 'the town', which might be a perspective slip. Take your time. I'll wait.

[Dwlee99]

Plausibility is more like "could I see this person being scum." Almost like how shocked I would be if they were evil. Likelihood is how likely I think it is.

Right now I think it is plausible that almost anyone is evil. I wouldn't too surprised about it. But some people (like mastina) would be less surprising given there aren't many reasons for me to townread her right now cause her posting hasn't reached conclusions imo.

The likelihood part is much more relative and is sort of born out of the plausibility but is still different. I think it is more likely that Mastina is scum than you, for instance, and part of that is that you are less plausible as scum due to pointing out the guilty soft, but I also just feel good about your slot right now.

[House]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

[Dwlee99]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

I mean, I have some idea. You have me but given you're wrong who is your next? Then you're in the same boat you're accusing me of being in

[Dwlee99]

Your case right now is that I'm not sure enough about finding one scum in six players. That's ridiculous.

[House]

It really feels like everyone is leaning between mastina and dwlee. If it is someone else, then this game will be a very stressful Elo

VOTE: mastina

why the person catching up over the person who has been here the entire game and still has no clue who he suspects?

I mean, I have some idea. You have me but given you're wrong who is your next? Then you're in the same boat you're accusing me of being in

My case on you has not changed.

Also, you're flat out lying. I've been crystal clear about my PoE.

[House]

You have me but given you're wrong who is your next? Then you're in the same boat you're accusing me of being in

You, mastina, and maaaybe Luke are the only realistic possibilities, as far as I'm concerned.

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

[House]

In all honesty, Luke is climbing in suspicion with his inability or unwillingness to say why AW is more likely town than Mara, the single greatest reason Cyrus got caught out when he wasn't being pressured.

I did not say this?

My shoot list was mastina > dwlee > AW > Mara Which keeps mara out of the people I am looking at until elo

The only people I had more likely to be town were you and roden

In what world does Mara sell out their buddy when nobody is even looking at them as scum?

Mara should be more locktown to anyone else in the game than Roden or I.

[Dwlee99]

Our PoEs are the same size dude. That was my entire point if you'd bother to read a single post I write

[Dwlee99]

You went on misunderstanding something earlier in the day phase for a page cause you refuse to just read what I say. Please try to actually read?

[Dwlee99]

"I have some idea." "You're in the same boat as me"

What did you THINK it meant to call me a liar

[House]

I didn't say anyone specifically. Just compared to like mastina/roden?/aw??/{Luke}* (Ordered in "scum plausibility") I don't think I look like I am as plausibly scum.

{* Corrected per dwlee's clarification following the post}

I mean, this is just slimy, man.

"As plausibly scum"?

You're going out of your way to not point your finger at anyone, and your posting is hyper-defensive.

[House]

So no, we are NOT in the same boat.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not going out of my way to not. I'm just not.

I think we kill mastina here unless she town tells. But she has been catching up all day phase and no one is doing anything except you and you're pushing me. So what am I supposed to do except defend myself here? There is no other content to react to

[Dwlee99]

You're gonna tell me to reread aren't you. Unlucky

[House]

Thanks for saving me the trouble, I guess?

[Dwlee99]

So first up, I skimmed up and a couple overall things to be mentioning.

number 1, the most important. I am hard town reading guillo. why is that? I have very valid reasoning actually and guillo is still town despite him scum reading me. you may ask why is that? I am 100% known for tunneling guillo in games. I admit to that and typically that is what I do. the reason is simply. he doesnt cooperate as town and that frustrates town me. but the last game guillo was in with me, he was scum and let me tell you the difference was drastic. it was like he went from a raging bull to a proper gentleman asking you for a dance. I am telling you the difference is that STARK. guillo as town won't give two shits before slamming your head into the pavement if he dislikes your read on him. what is cooperation? what is town block? none of that exists in his eyes

but scum guillo cares SO MUCH. he will reply extremely calmly to EVERY post you make. he will tell you "no sweetheart im not scum listen to my beautiful voice you know its not me but it might be X or Y. See they look scary bad go go!" he will try so hard to get you off him and in the nicest way in the world. I caught him immediately and was like oh fuck so this is what his scum game looks like. That is why the moment I saw him get angry in this game, I was willing to say with 100% certainty that he is town. I promise that I am not wrong here. Anyone can meta guillo. His scum and town game are NIGHT AND DAY. im not even exaggerating.

number 2, VERY IMPORTANT NOTICE. Lukewarm might be scum. Im back to that read. I understand that mom doesnt agree with me but his progression on me I dont like. A little bit of meta that is not that reliable but my main reason im second guessing mom right now is that Lukewarm's reads in games are typically pretty good. From my past games with him, I believe his reads are normally almost completely accurate with his only mistakes being due to personal bias. his mistakes in reads are almost always because the person is scum reading him. But we have not SRed him in a while here so I dont see a valid reason for him to SR me here especially after just getting out of a game with a three headed hydra of me, mom and flea. We got our asses tunneled to hell and back day one as town two shot mason vig. I dont see why he would be so eager to jump on us even if only off of that.

-readingupandreplyingtoinfdividualpostsnornor

This is proof that meta is bad @t3