Open 822: Popcorn Mafia - Game Over!!

[HockeyFan]

I already pointed out some of my issues with Hockey independently and his response was... not great. He basically just OMGUS scum read me back, and tried to act like my reasons were nonsensical 612. Even after Toog agreed with me 599. Even after Hectic responded to say that it was a reasonable thing for people to be suspicious for (but also took the opportunity to shoot down the scum read there) 613 He still plants me as his most confident scum read, all based on that omgus

Yes, I did omgus you, because I felt like the case came out no where and were trying to take heat of your partners.

I think mafia team is pav/luke(his bad faith case on me combined with not that much contnet

Also, lol at the idea that scum!luke is a low content luke. Which btw, he should know isn't the case. He was in my first scum game. The game lasted until day 4. I died Day 2. Despite dying part way through the game, here is where it ended:

Spoiler:

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I think that this game makes a lot more sense in a Hectic+Hockey scum world. Them being scum heavily spews Pav and Toog as being town. Pav because he was one of the 2 designated misshots that hectic was pushing (the other being you) and then Toog because he is the first person who linked T3 and Hockey, and then when I mentioned it again, he sided with me on that (also, I was already town reading Toog)

So I am at Hectic+Hockey + probably vulture/maybe Enchant (his content has died down hard since I started thinking he was town)

Also re; the whole content thing, maybe I think you're low content this game because your posts have been spaced out, soryr about that. Like at this point, im too lazy to scumcase the people who i think are scum because finding town(which i've found in Togeloo/Vulture rn) is much eaiser then finding scum

[Hectic]

Why don't you townread me anymore, Hockey?

[Hectic]

Hockey, do you mind ordering your reads right now? A mythical read ist of sorts

[HockeyFan]

This is off topic, but we now have 3 players who have openly expressed reluctance to play/post due to not holding the gun and I just don't get it, I think this setup is fascinating. But to each their own!

Yea I didnt mean to mean it that way, Its just that A. im in other games B. This game feels stale cuz I have my Sr's pretty much locked in. Maybe i have a conf bias on you(pav), but I think you're scum regardless. Hectic tunneling this makes me TR hectic a bit less tho so ehhh maybe things could change but i think not

Why don't you townread me anymore, Hockey?

748,759

Hockey, do you mind ordering your reads right now? A mythical read ist of sorts

Enchant -> Luke -> Hectic -> Pav -> Vulture -> Togeloo

Now im not saying enchant/luke/hectic have scum paired with each other this game, they're just indivually scummy

[Hectic]

Why do you think me tunneling was scummy or scum-motivated?

[Hectic]

I'm looking at Luke's reads and actions this game, and the consistent push on Hockey is very suspicious to me. It very much fits into the scope of distancing, just based on the reasons given yet lack of desire to ask anyone to shoot there.

Additionally, Luke right now knows he is going down either next shot or the one after (I have strongly implied I shoot him if marci shoots me), so his solve being two town in Hectic + Hockey seems quite unlikely to me. He'd probably want to distance with a partner, and his placement of Hockey would fit like a glove.

new NEW Inspired Solve:

Lukewarm + Hockey + Enchant + T3

We're locking this one in (probably for a day or two before I inevitably change my mind again)

[Hectic]

You could totally shoot Enchant and still hit scum 80% of the time btw, marci

[Pavowski]

You could totally shoot Enchant and still hit scum 80% of the time btw, marci

I agree but I still want her to shoot you or Luke just so that I can resolve the question of you

Nothing personal, I'm sure you'll be fine. And if you're not, WELP

[Enchant]

I am fine with shooting me.

[Pavowski]

That would be more believable if you told us what you plan to do after you get shot.

[Enchant]

I already told it.

[Enchant]

Hey Enchant. How do you feel about the Marci flip? Who would you shoot? What did you have for breakfast? Give us something.

1. I didn't care.
2. Depends how many misshots we all have. If 1+, i would shot most townie player here. Simple to screw over possible mafia who could carry win like that or give gun to competent guy. If 0, well... random.org. Not even joking, i mostly win when shoting on random and fail when use reads.
3. Eggs.

[Pavowski]

Given the developments of the past couple pages I thought you might have some updated takes.

So, who would you shoot if it was your call right now?

[Enchant]

If i receive gun right now, i will randomshot.

Even though i think you are town, i can be wrong, so i really doesn't exclude you from roll.

Before someone call me idiot, it's actually smarter. I am easy to decieve, but that way we have sure 50% chances to shot mafia. Consider me chaos force in this one.

[HockeyFan]

Why do you think me tunneling was scummy or scum-motivated?

Because you were pushing hard for a misshoot there, without really interacting with other people, you also didnt need to worry about getting shot by Pav since he didnt SR you

I'm looking at Luke's reads and actions this game, and the consistent push on Hockey is very suspicious to me. It very much fits into the scope of distancing, just based on the reasons given yet lack of desire to ask anyone to shoot there.

Additionally, Luke right now knows he is going down either next shot or the one after (I have strongly implied I shoot him if marci shoots me), so his solve being two town in Hectic + Hockey seems quite unlikely to me. He'd probably want to distance with a partner, and his placement of Hockey would fit like a glove.

new NEW Inspired Solve:

Lukewarm + Hockey + Enchant + T3

We're locking this one in (probably for a day or two before I inevitably change my mind again)

Whats the point of saying lock in reads if you say yourself they're gonna play chess? It seems like you're playign 4d chess with your reads instead of actually scumhunting

[marcistar]

So I would heartily endorse shooting either Luke or Hectic today, but if it were me, I'd shoot the pirate. It's important to note that you can't lose the game with a bad shot. Hectic's invocation of the thunderdome would actually be scummy if we were at 7 living players.

interesting

marci: Maybe it's a little selfish but I wouldn't mind being shot first because then I could finally have POWER. I very much like the odds of shooting Luke and it would give me much motivation to find the remaining 2. I've been struggling to keep myself motivated the longer this game goes, only finding it in short bursts

basically everyones not motivated smhsmh
galron rlly shouldve shot someone else

I'm looking at Luke's reads and actions this game, and the consistent push on Hockey is very suspicious to me. It very much fits into the scope of distancing, just based on the reasons given yet lack of desire to ask anyone to shoot there.

Additionally, Luke right now knows he is going down either next shot or the one after (I have strongly implied I shoot him if marci shoots me), so his solve being two town in Hectic + Hockey seems quite unlikely to me. He'd probably want to distance with a partner, and his placement of Hockey would fit like a glove.

new NEW Inspired Solve:

Lukewarm + Hockey + Enchant + T3

We're locking this one in (probably for a day or two before I inevitably change my mind again)

no

You could totally shoot Enchant and still hit scum 80% of the time btw, marci

prob, but if hes town i wouldnt rlly think he would pull out the win

Spoiler:

(SORRY IF THIS IS MEAN I DONT MEAN IT TO BE MEAN)

[Pavowski]

If i receive gun right now, i will randomshot.

Even though i think you are town, i can be wrong, so i really doesn't exclude you from roll.

Before someone call me idiot, it's actually smarter. I am easy to decieve, but that way we have sure 50% chances to shot mafia. Consider me chaos force in this one.

In post 806, Hectic wrote:
You could totally shoot Enchant and still hit scum 80% of the time btw, marci

prob, but if hes town i wouldnt rlly think he would pull out the win

His post above puts me right in that boat with you

I have no experience with Enchant but I definitely can't say his recent posts make him sound towny

I wouldn't want him to be the shot with the game on the line

[HockeyFan]

Why do you think me tunneling was scummy or scum-motivated?

Because you were pushing hard for a misshoot there, without really interacting with other people, you also didnt need to worry about getting shot by Pav since he didnt SR you

I'm looking at Luke's reads and actions this game, and the consistent push on Hockey is very suspicious to me. It very much fits into the scope of distancing, just based on the reasons given yet lack of desire to ask anyone to shoot there.

Additionally, Luke right now knows he is going down either next shot or the one after (I have strongly implied I shoot him if marci shoots me), so his solve being two town in Hectic + Hockey seems quite unlikely to me. He'd probably want to distance with a partner, and his placement of Hockey would fit like a glove.

new NEW Inspired Solve:

Lukewarm + Hockey + Enchant + T3

We're locking this one in (probably for a day or two before I inevitably change my mind again)

Whats the point of saying lock in reads if you say yourself they're gonna play chess? It seems like you're playign 4d chess with your reads instead of actually scumhunting

i made this post on 2 hours of sleep and holy fuck is it confusing, lmk if u need anything cleared up cuz i cant type for shit. A

Also @pav, u think enchant is scum yeah? Why are u so against them getting shot, like I feel like town should be a bit more confident in thier reads

[marcistar]

hockeyfan whats ur reads at rn

[Pavowski]

Yes I think enchant is scum, all I'm saying is I'd rather he not be the shot when it's do-or-die time. I'd rather settle Luke/hectic first then, assuming we get a red flip (although if both flipped green that's GG but I think that's near impossible), move on to the enchant question.

Of course that all comes down to Marci but them's my thoughts.

[HockeyFan]

hockeyfan whats ur reads at rn

803

[marcistar]

page 4 luke is so weird i wanna shoot him based on it

buuuut

i have other stuff i wanna figure out tomorrow before i do

[Toogeloo]

Yes I think enchant is scum, all I'm saying is I'd rather he not be the shot when it's do-or-die time. I'd rather settle Luke/hectic first then, assuming we get a red flip (although if both flipped green that's GG but I think that's near impossible), move on to the enchant question.

Of course that all comes down to Marci but them's my thoughts.

This reflects my thoughts exactly, though in my mind I've pretty much concluded that Enchant must be scum in any combination of remaining three. However I'm not willing to put what might be the final shot of the game in their hands.

I strongly feel Luke and Pavowski are town here, and think any shot outside these two has high scum equity.

[Lukewarm]

Hello. Am so very tired from moving, but have been skimming the thread on my phone lying in bed. Mixed feelings.

I will say once again, this set up is weird. Like Marci said she is considering targeting me, which on one hand gives me the gun, but on the other hand is still essentially mislim. Just on Marci not me. Which leaves me thinking, do I even town case myself here? Idk.

I also kind of wish that both my desktop and laptop were not both currently in a box / suit case somewhere in my current world of aillion boxes so I could actually grab all of the quotes I want to respond to from the last couple of days. But instead, this game is getting just my phone post ramblings.

First, the "town casing" Which is not actually town casing, as much as "hey, did people actually think about the things they said?" So far the only reasons I have seen people give for scum reading me: shitposting early on in the game (looping Marco's recent post into this one btw), having less content, being less analytical / not casing early on this game and

omgus from hockey

and I guess I am curious what makes people think that makes more sense to come from scum me, then town me? I have a completed scum game that pav and hockey were both in, and I am pretty sure Marci read (at least parts of), and I don't think anyone would describe my scum game as marked by shitposting or by being low content, or being less analytical, or not constantly casing various slots. So I guess it feels like people are jumping from "different " to "scum" without thinking all that much about it.

Anyways. Marci, I came into this game expecting (and hoping for) a meme game. Similar to that exploder panamonium game you played and asked me to read. I kinda expected this game to last like, a week, regardless of which side won or not. So, signing up for a meme game was my expectation. To the point that I was thinking about who I would hip shoot if I started with the gun first, and then made a snazzy image using my favorite still from sailor moon. Btw, both the image and the target were picked out before I ever received a role pm (so I think that it would have been my first post even if I rolled scum lol. Just because like, that was my plan if town, ya know)

And over time, the game got more serious, and so I started getting more serious too. Which, tangent, is a big part of why I town read enchant for this. When I looked at his iso, I felt like I was looking at that same kind of journey through out the game , and they say similar thought implies similar alignments, so I get town vibes from that. His recent "I would roll dice to decide who to shoot" though, really does not sit well with me, and the "similar thoughts" idea is a bit blow out of the way with this, because that is so wildly opposite of where I am at this point.

Anyways, I am rambling (but also not trimming because not gonna edit on phone. Sorrynotsorry)

Re centering my thoughts I wanted to get out there, incase you are looking to make your choice before I spend most of tomorrow unpacking and actually get back to the thread with a proper computer x.x.

Hectic + hockey scum.

These last few posts from hectic were WILD. In a, is he really trying to call me scum for the things that he is doing?? Kind of way.

Specifically, he accuses me of wildy changing up my reads on him when the things I pointed out all came from earlier in the thread, with no new information. Self motivated I believe he called it (yeah, yeah, he corrected it to scum motivated, but self motivated is more accurate lol)

When, like, look at his "vision quest" he went on wrt to pav. He goes from pav is just scum here to an entire solve that did not involve pav with no new input from anyone. And imo, it is wild to see someone have that kind of blatant read shake up, and then turn around and say that that kind of read shake up is scummy.

Anyways. I would like to say that I did have new information. I town binned hectic early, and I don't think i was properly questioning that enough. The first thing that kind of pinged me was his "I don't think we have to worry about that this game" comment to hockey about the lamist points I made about him. In a "I just don't understand how hectic can be so sure, becausr it worries me"" kind of way. And then I saw Toog put hectic in his scum pile and hectic turn around and put Toog in his team solve. I had them both in the town bin and suddenly them both cross scum read one another was kind of a "I might be missing something" moment. And then his entire read reversal on pav seemed strange, at the time looked like it could be "scum came up with a new path to victory" then a real transition. So, I looked back over hectic, which I really had not done since I town binned him. And looking back at his iso, now knowing that you (Marci) are conftown and that t3 is confscum, I spotted the earlier stuff... Hense my case on hectic

But you want to know a read progression that does not make sense to me.
Hectic, starts having worries about me for being "less analytical" (which again...). So he is considering a scumluke team. Brand new solve for him. ->
He sees my post where I said I was thinking about the game wrong ->
Gladiate!

The biggest concerns for me there are first that I have not even made a case yet at this point. Without seeing my thoughts to look at them to gauge if they were genuine, the mere idea that I was swapping to a scum read on him meant he was ready to bet the whole game on his brand new read? Which, to be clear, he was claiming to be so sure that he was willing to bet the whole game. In the world of town!hectic, if he If you shot him first, and he instantly shoots me. Of he is wrong, town loses

So I guess I don't see the genuine town thought processes behind seeing exactly that post "been thinking about the game wrong, will write it all out tonight" and think, "aha! I have caught scum, and I am so sure that I will bet the game on it" -- and I think it was actually designed to preempt and discredit the case I had coming.

Anyways. I can't think of anything else that stood out to me when I read through tonight.

All in all, I think hectic is just scum here. From the alt switch to dosing t3 but angling for misshots on you/pav instead of him, to blindly town locking hockey, to his "vision quest" to his preemptive gladiate. It all screams scum to me.

Side note, he has HARD town binned hockey for the entire game since t3 flipped. Gone so far as to say that t3 tmi'ed him town. Put hockey in the top of his town reads in every read list since, and dismissed voiced suspicions on him. And now hockey suddenly swings all the way in to his team solve? This was the other "is he accusing me of what he is doing? Moment, when he said that I was scum reading hockey because I knew I would die soon, and wanted to distance from a partner. Well here we are, the first time hectic had ever been in danger of being targeted, and that is when the read switched x.x

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Marci, if you got any questions for me, let me know, but i think I hav managed to ramble out all of my thoughts at this point.

You should be shooting who ever you think is scummiest person. If I get the gun, I am pretty sure that I am shooting hectic at this point.

[Vulture]

I skimmed that because I’m at work so I too have some thoughts but Luke; why the mixed feelings? This might be pedantic but I don’t understand why you would have them when the game for you is perhaps more clear cut than it has been all game for you?

Maybe I missed something but my expectation would be that you are sure of yourself.