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[Dwlee99]

NM was scum by PoE.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What's more, if you don't provide evidence and nobody has provided evidence, it is easy to bus N_M as scum because nobody is running around demanding explanations for why anyone voted him now that he's flipped. There was an unspoken agreement that seemed to be in the air that he had done so little that no case was needed. It would have been easy to bus N_M. If I were scum, it means I chose to bus DGB on D1 after 4/5 viable wagons on town. Why would I not bus N_M on D4 and get on with it? I'd just be in ELO with Dwlee and Marci now, maybe even Manatee and Marci tbh. Math didn't have either of the conftown's on his side, but I think as scum I would have easily won a Manatee/Marci ELO

[ssbm_Kyouko]

NM was scum by PoE.

For you maybe, because you were in the POE that Math, myself, and conftown were working from. You had a pool of 3 and 2 mislims left, so fypov there was no risk in voting N_M. For me, I had 4 in the POE, a sneaking suspicion on Math, and 2 mislims. It was much harder for me to POE down to N_M than you, even after I read enough to determine that Marci was actually town after all, which I had done on D4

[ssbm_Kyouko]

NM was scum by PoE.

For you maybe, because you were in the POE that Math, myself, and conftown were working from. You had a pool of 3 and 2 mislims left, so fypov there was no risk in voting N_M. For me, I had 4 in the POE, a sneaking suspicion on Math, and 2 mislims. It was much harder for me to POE down to N_M than you, even after I read enough to determine that Marci was actually town after all, which I had done on D4

Also, we've now seen that only 1 of the 4 in the POE were scum, so it wasn't actually a strong POE with 2 scum left and 6 unconfirmed players

[MathBlade]

NM was scum by PoE.

For you maybe, because you were in the POE that Math, myself, and conftown were working from. You had a pool of 3 and 2 mislims left, so fypov there was no risk in voting N_M. For me, I had 4 in the POE, a sneaking suspicion on Math, and 2 mislims. It was much harder for me to POE down to N_M than you, even after I read enough to determine that Marci was actually town after all, which I had done on D4

You mean you lock town me earlier when it suited you.

You were the one in control of the PoE/gamestate not me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

conftown

voters that were on the end of day DGB wagon and are not confirmed

confscum

Left myself yellow for everyone's convenience

Day 1 Votes

Votecount 1:

DrippingGoofball

(3):

marcistar

,

ManateeDude

,

Titus

Titus

(2):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

omo

(2):

MathBlade

,

MaxTheFox

ssbm_Kyouko

(1):

Dwlee99

Salsabil Faria

(1):

geraintm

geraintm

(1):

Salsabil Faria

MaxTheFox

(1):

omo

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

Votecount 2:

DrippingGoofball

(4):

marcistar

,

ManateeDude

,

Titus

,

ssbm_Kyouko

omo

(2):

MaxTheFox

,

Salsabil Faria

MaxTheFox

(2):

MathBlade

,

Dwlee99

Titus

(1);

Roden

Salsabil Faria

(1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

marcistar

(1):

omo

Votecount 3:

omo

(4):

MaxTheFox

,

Salsabil Faria

,

DrippingGoofball

,

MathBlade

Roden

(4):

ssbm_Kyouko

,

omo

,

Dwlee99

,

ManateeDude

DrippingGoofball

(2):

marcistar

,

Titus

Salsabil Faria

(1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

ManateeDude

(1):

Roden

Votecount 4:

Dwlee99

(4):

Salsabil Faria

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Titus

,

ManateeDude

ManateeDude

(2):

omo

,

Dwlee99

omo

(2):

MaxTheFox

,

DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria

(1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

marcistar

(1):

Roden

Votecount 5:

marcistar

(5):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Salsabil Faria

,

omo

,

DrippingGoofball

omo

(3):

MaxTheFox

,

ManateeDude

,

MathBlade

ManateeDude

(1):

Dwlee99

Dwlee99

(1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria

(1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

Votecount 6:

marcistar

(4):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Salsabil Faria

,

omo

,

MathBlade

(MathBlade added to the Marci wagon in this VC quote because they voted Marci shortly afterward and were on the wagon at its height)

omo

(2):

MaxTheFox

,

MathBlade

ManateeDude

(1):

Dwlee99

Dwlee99

(1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria

(1):

geraintm

Votecount 7:

DrippingGoofball

(4):

marcistar

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

ManateeDude

,

Roden

Salsabil Faria

(2):

geraintm

,

Salsabil Faria

marcistar

(1):

MathBlade

omo

(1):

MaxTheFox

ManateeDude

(1):

Dwlee99

Dwlee99

(1):

Titus

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

Roden

(1):

DrippingGoofball

Votecount 8:

DrippingGoofball

(7):

marcistar

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

ManateeDude

,

Roden

,

Titus

,

MathBlade

,

omo

Roden

(2):

DrippingGoofball

,

Dwlee99

Salsabil Faria

(2):

geraintm

,

Salsabil Faria

omo

(1):

MaxTheFox

Not_Mafia

(1):

Not_Mafia

Day 2 Votes

Votecount 1:

omo

(2):

ManateeDude

,

ssbm_Kyouko

Votecount 2:

MaxTheFox

(3):

omo

,

Dwlee99

,

ManateeDude

omo

(2):

MaxTheFox

,

Salsabil Faria

Dwlee99

(1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Votecount 3:

MaxTheFox

(4):

omo

,

Dwlee99

,

ManateeDude

,

Salsabil Faria

omo

(2):

MaxTheFox

Dwlee99

(2):

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Titus

Votecount 4:

MaxTheFox

(6):

omo

,

Dwlee99

,

ManateeDude

,

Salsabil Faria

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

marcistar

omo

(2):

MaxTheFox

,

Titus

Salsabil Faria

(1):

MathBlade

So on D1 Math does not vote DGB until it is inevitable as there was a deadline flashwagon on DGB. The only reasoning he provides is "Ditto" in response to Titus saying she TRs everybody on the wagon. He was not on the early day DGB wagon with the rest of the townblock.

On D2 Math doesn't vote for Salsabil until it is too late for it to change the Max wagon's course. Going to go look at his case/reasoning on why he voted Salsabil D2

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Math:
1.

How is it important?

2. How did you get

this

from 2277?

NM was scum by PoE.

For you maybe, because you were in the POE that Math, myself, and conftown were working from. You had a pool of 3 and 2 mislims left, so fypov there was no risk in voting N_M. For me, I had 4 in the POE, a sneaking suspicion on Math, and 2 mislims. It was much harder for me to POE down to N_M than you, even after I read enough to determine that Marci was actually town after all, which I had done on D4

You mean you lock town me earlier when it suited you.

You were the one in control of the PoE/gamestate not me.

Also, not sure how or why me being in control of the PoE/gamestate is relevant, but it is an incorrect conclusion. You were in control that day. I tried to convince everyone to vote Dwlee or Salsa, possibly Marci early on that day, but in the end we all voted for N_M, who you had been bussing all day. If anyone was in control of the gamestate, it was you. Again though, I don't see how this is relevant. Just pointing out it's wrong.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh @Dwlee another thing, you saw Koba peg me as scum instantly not once but twice, and in this game he says I'm town. Still looking at other stuff but I can get details on this later if you don't recall it

[MathBlade]

Fuck it what about this iso?
Desperately flocking to the prevailing wagons seemingly for no reason, assuming they're both town, 962 is the perfect time to make that post as scum. You get the towncred but also the prevailing wagons are TvT and it's safe to do so.

No content. Flip-flops onto town wagons without reason. Tries to scoop up low-hanging towncred. Yeet

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

Ditto.

Oh and not sure if anyone saw a recent WWF ad? It’s so cute I just have to share it.



Show love to people <3

I mean you can try to argue I am scum here because flash wagon but I think you were going for a no elim and setting up for future days.

[MathBlade]

Your entire argument about the DGB wagon was “Math has a life therefore he is scum” Lmao

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not Mafia is hammer happy.

Not Mafia has no hammers. Means he is much more likely to be scum.

This is the first time you're providing this evidence. If you had told me this 2 days ago I would have read N_M games to look for this pattern, confirmed it if it's really true, and happily voted him out. You didn't provide evidence though because it looks better for you the longer I resist the wagon

Correct.

If you provide damning evidence scum and town hop on and it’s game over for reads.

Since Not Mafia wasn’t playing it was more important to see who resisted it.

How is it important?

Anyone who resisted it would have had no reason to vote him because no case had been provided. If he had been town, there would be no information gained by seeing who resisted it. Scum could have been resisting for towncred, and town could have been resisting because they felt other players were more likely to be scum. The way you phrased these posts indicates that you withheld information with the expectation that N_M would flip scum, and with the plan to push anyone who resisted the wagon in upcoming days.

[MathBlade]

@Math:
1.

How is it important?

2. How did you get

this

from 2277?

NM was scum by PoE.

For you maybe, because you were in the POE that Math, myself, and conftown were working from. You had a pool of 3 and 2 mislims left, so fypov there was no risk in voting N_M. For me, I had 4 in the POE, a sneaking suspicion on Math, and 2 mislims. It was much harder for me to POE down to N_M than you, even after I read enough to determine that Marci was actually town after all, which I had done on D4

You mean you lock town me earlier when it suited you.

You were the one in control of the PoE/gamestate not me.

Also, not sure how or why me being in control of the PoE/gamestate is relevant, but it is an incorrect conclusion. You were in control that day. I tried to convince everyone to vote Dwlee or Salsa, possibly Marci early on that day, but in the end we all voted for N_M, who you had been bussing all day. If anyone was in control of the gamestate, it was you. Again though, I don't see how this is relevant. Just pointing out it's wrong.

How is who resisted a prob scum wagon important? Lol.

You indeed were in control. I stated facts calmly and convinced people NM. You flailed after.

[MathBlade]

Like the question is absurd.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your entire argument about the DGB wagon was “Math has a life therefore he is scum” Lmao

I never said anything like this, can you quote whatever it is you are "paraphrasing" (twisting) and explain how you got from my post to your misrep?

[MathBlade]

Your entire argument about the DGB wagon was “Math has a life therefore he is scum” Lmao

I never said anything like this, can you quote whatever it is you are "paraphrasing" (twisting) and explain how you got from my post to your misrep?

Math wasn’t at the front of the DGB wagon therefore he is scum.

I had posted before the flash wagon I would be afk then popped on it when I came online.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

Ditto.

Oh and not sure if anyone saw a recent WWF ad? It’s so cute I just have to share it.



Show love to people <3

Civ break is over bbs

[MathBlade]

The entire flash wagon took place while I was offline for the most part.

Hence “flash” wagon.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Math:
1.

How is it important?

2. How did you get

this

from 2277?

NM was scum by PoE.

For you maybe, because you were in the POE that Math, myself, and conftown were working from. You had a pool of 3 and 2 mislims left, so fypov there was no risk in voting N_M. For me, I had 4 in the POE, a sneaking suspicion on Math, and 2 mislims. It was much harder for me to POE down to N_M than you, even after I read enough to determine that Marci was actually town after all, which I had done on D4

You mean you lock town me earlier when it suited you.

You were the one in control of the PoE/gamestate not me.

Also, not sure how or why me being in control of the PoE/gamestate is relevant, but it is an incorrect conclusion. You were in control that day. I tried to convince everyone to vote Dwlee or Salsa, possibly Marci early on that day, but in the end we all voted for N_M, who you had been bussing all day. If anyone was in control of the gamestate, it was you. Again though, I don't see how this is relevant. Just pointing out it's wrong.

How is who resisted a prob scum wagon important? Lol.

You indeed were in control. I stated facts calmly and convinced people NM. You flailed after.

I don't know how it's important who resisted N_M, who was not probscum, but was policy/poe (a 1 in 4 poe, so literally not a good chance that he would flip scum via poe) - you're the one that said it was important. I'm asking you to explain how it is important:

Since Not Mafia wasn’t playing it was more important to see who resisted it.

Oh I see. I was in control, but we eliminated your preferred elimination, we ignored 2-3 of my preferred eliminations, and I had to compromise on your preference. You have an unusual sense of what being in control means. Could you explain how I was in control?

[MathBlade]

I mean scum resist scum wagon. It’s kinda obvious.

I start the day with a Marci + Salsa
You buddy me with Marci + Salsa + NM
Then you call for mass claim
The day was dominated by you then me and G were not mafia pushers.
Just because the final elim was on not mafia does not mean “in control”

That elim was hard fought for

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

Agreed.

VOTE: Titus

Town Titus wants out of RVS ASAP. Not seeing that here.

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Didn't get an answer to this.

{Looker, Roden, ???}

Kinda feeling Looker Titus +1 here. Maybe Roden for the 3P.

This is the first vote and what follows it up after Math replaces in. His starting point is that Titus, Looker (DGB), +1 could be the scum. I kept reading his ISO and there is no other progression on DGB until it is time to vote it in the flashwagon. So if Math both wants to avoid a no lim and is presumably still SRing DGB/Looker, then why is this the reason he provides? Also, if his reads were Titus/DGB +1, then why after he stopped SRing Titus did he start flopping around onto all other sorts of wagons without addressing his previous SR on DGB/Looker at all?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just realized the pedit stopped this post before I went to my next one:

ATTENTION ALL VANITY VOTERS:

Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball (1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia (1):

Not_Mafia

You don't want to miss the 5:15 to Limtown.

Owo is a vanity wagon. Much as I would love their elim they aren’t for today.

Koba’s consistency is bad as either alignment and the best way to read them is under pressure and when they are under pressure they get yelly and screamy. While Owo is my top wagon I would love to elim best not today unfortunately because if we try odds are we no elim.

Remember when I caught DGB with 962 and a bad ISO? 977 is looking a lot like 962 in retrospect. Also, the things you were posting around then indicated you wanted to keep the vote on one of the current wagons

to avoid a no lim

, but when you joined DGB's wagon, it was not

to avoid a no lim

. I think you were just looking for some towncred since it was too late to stop the wagon.

[MathBlade]

Because A) I don’t do read walls and B) was communicating to Titus Manatee was friendly neighbor

The wagon had steam I didn’t know if Titus saw the crumb.

Like this is seriously pointless. I know you’re scum and you have to shade me.

Why are you so concerned about trying to make a gotcha versus waiting to see what questions Dwlee has?

You look like floundering scum here and are literally sinking yourself.

[MathBlade]

Just realized the pedit stopped this post before I went to my next one:

ATTENTION ALL VANITY VOTERS:

Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball (1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1):

geraintm

Not_Mafia (1):

Not_Mafia

You don't want to miss the 5:15 to Limtown.

Owo is a vanity wagon. Much as I would love their elim they aren’t for today.

Koba’s consistency is bad as either alignment and the best way to read them is under pressure and when they are under pressure they get yelly and screamy. While Owo is my top wagon I would love to elim best not today unfortunately because if we try odds are we no elim.

Remember when I caught DGB with 962 and a bad ISO? 977 is looking a lot like 962 in retrospect. Also, the things you were posting around then indicated you wanted to keep the vote on one of the current wagons

to avoid a no lim

, but when you joined DGB's wagon, it was not

to avoid a no lim

. I think you were just looking for some towncred since it was too late to stop the wagon.

The bolded is correct I had a scumread on Looker so it wasn’t to avoid a no elim.

You didn’t catch what you already knew.

You just didn’t expect it to take off.

This is pointless repetitive spam.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Because A) I don’t do read walls and B) was communicating to Titus Manatee was friendly neighbor

The wagon had steam I didn’t know if Titus saw the crumb.

Like this is seriously pointless. I know you’re scum and you have to shade me.

Why are you so concerned about trying to make a gotcha versus waiting to see what questions Dwlee has?

You look like floundering scum here and are literally sinking yourself.

What's funny is scum!S_S tried the same thing on me in OMB. He tried to just sit back and coast through ELO and wouldn't present any evidence, he also said I wasn't doing myself any favors.

You dont even see the problem with 2297 though. You had a scumread on Looker since the first set of reads you posted upon repping in but you voted for several other players instead. Then, when you did vote for DGB, you didnt say anything like "yeah I also SR DGB because xyz", you said "Ditto" (I TR everyone on this wagon). Your SR on DGB was always fake

Btw Dwlee I have a huge wall coming on D3 analysis, as well as more individual points coming that all stack and stack evidence against Math if you're not already convinced by what's come out today

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just posting from the potty rn and the wall is on my pc