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The town games of his I've read though seem different than this one. Like he's trying in them. Here he isn't trying until toDay.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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But hes finally a wagon, I think in most of the games I read he was a D1 elim, so he had to try early so he could get thoughts out before dyingShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I may have actually found something in N_M meta, fiNlly found a scum game. will have to go back to town games and look for it there too thoughShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Yeah only took a couple of towngames to find it's present there as well. I didnt really expect it to not be there.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I don't care about meta. Dwlee has done nothing this game. When pressured he continues to do nothing. It's egg timeShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Damn I felt scummy typing that and I'm town. As an exercise in experiencing what it feels like to be dwlee (scum) rn I'd advise you all to try the sameShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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It's a joke about the time I mistakenly thought shrek was crumbing mason with dwlee in a scumgame of mine. Dwlee said why "me = fry me" and voted shrek (i thought "like an egg, and literally fry me meaning fry me, I am an egg")
Then shrek showed up and said "I leave all my possessions to greg the egg", and my dumb ass thought Dwlee99was the egg, where the 9s were g's
Then dwlee unvoted. And shrek had been absent and beetlejuiced into the thread when dwlee was like "petition to turboelim shrek". It definitely looked like a mason crumb.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Basically N_M is a miltank and if you were to cook a miltank you'd get steak, and Dwlee is an egg so if you cook an egg you get an eggShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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And then T3 neighborized Dwlee that night after the crumb, and we had a Traffic Analyst, so I had tris, our TA, check Dwlee the same night, and it came back that he could communicate so that reinforced to me that dwlee was a mason.
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I asked you if you'd stake the game on it because it feels like the way that you (and dwlee?) are saying that I want to eliminate anyonebutN_M feels like one of you knows he will flip scum, and I thought if that someone was you that I might bait you into saying you would.
Pedit: I just played a large normal with dwlee with a similar ratio of conftownShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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But to be fair, the vig in that game was a combined babysitter vigilante and the scumteam had a babysitter enabler. So they can only confirm the vig if town eliminates the enabler first. But town did have a 2-shot voyeur that may have been able to confirm the combined BS Vig if they or the bsvig didnt get JKed.
My point is, a vigilante in this setup is definitely possible, especially if scum have something like an ungated rolestopper or roleblocker which could stop the friendly neighbor from confirming themselvesShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I find it very unlikely we're up against 3 goons. That seems boring, and I feel like T3, or any mod really, wouldn't create a setup that boring. Maybe some townie is macho to weaken the town babysitter?
Doesnt really do any good to speculate, I expect something will come out toMorrow.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Or maybe maf has a strongman to shoot through the BS protection, so the BS actually swings the game toward Mafia if it ever claims and they can try to shoot the BS on a night they expect it to target town
Also if there is a vig in game I was thinking it would be geraintm or Manatee having multiple roles.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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If we dont reach majority today we end up on odds toMorrow. Geraintm/manatee, if either of you have a vig shot, lmk, otherwise I'm probably not going to hammerShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Not sure why you're saying I'm ignoring geraintm's case on N_M, when I have acknowledged it already:In post 1973, MathBlade wrote:
It certainly feels like you have had a pattern of anyone but Not Mafia today. You’ve ignored G’s case on Not Mafia, flooded the thread with long wall posts with multiple other suspects. As I have stated Not Mafia is a literal troll player to me. I worry about him if he’s ever pro town.In post 1967, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I asked you if you'd stake the game on it because it feels like the way that you (and dwlee?) are saying that I want to eliminate anyonebutN_M feels like one of you knows he will flip scum, and I thought if that someone was you that I might bait you into saying you would.
Pedit: I just played a large normal with dwlee with a similar ratio of conftown
I think furthermore if you genuinely believed that you’d be taking the free scum then hunting in me+Dwlee the next day.
The fact you’re not and saying no means something here.
Pedit: It’s possible scum have a PR of some kind which is why I delayed an answer hoping they would but I doubt it. The roleblocker/stopper would have to be on Manatee every night. While it is possible if you give scum more power, if someone claims vig without using it I would probably vote the vig for not shooting Not Mafia here.
It can’t be you because you would just vig if you didn’t get your way, you’re fighting too hard.
It can’t be me because I am not a vig.
So the only options at that point are Dwlee Salsa Not Mafia and Marci for a vig.
Unlikely Not Mafia because of play and just he doesn’t seem to care
So you’re down to two people you potentially see as a team together and Marci.
Odds are no vig exists.
I do flood the thread with cases more and more the later a game gets generally, it helps me figure things out the more I talk about them, and it usually keeps scum from shooting me because I demonstrate indecision.In post 1883, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Assuming you are town, can you not see what Salsa is doing today? Why would you want N_M over Salsa? In fact, for anyone who is voting N_M (geraintm I've seen your reasoning but feel free to add more regarding Salsa if you like), why do you want to eliminate N_M more than anyone else?
If I'm wrong and one of you is not bussing N_M right now, then I'd be eliminating town 2 days straight and I dont want to eliminate rashly again considering I was wrong on Max.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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N_M is not a liability. MathBlade is fearmongering around him. He cannot lolhammer anyone in MELO if we dont vote prematurely.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Looks like geraintm is normally active before deadline. Would Dwlee, Math, and Manatee vote Salsa with me and he can hammer in the morning?She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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It also felt to me like you ignored my case on dwleeIn post 1987, MathBlade wrote:I am not comfortable making a snap decision like that while civ game is starting.
It felt like you ignored G’s case Kyo.
I don’t townread Salsa if the votes went that way so I would hammer.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Alright, we gotsomethingout of Salsa/Marci toward the end at least. I still have the feeling this is going to flip town though.
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I think Math is town after that. He could just have easily gotten support for Marci for quickhammering on D2, as his point was neither of them should be around for ELO. If Math was scum with N_M he could have pushed Marci instead.
Pedit: You need to consider who else is scum because the game does not end with me.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Seeing it was N_M and DGB so far that have flipped, whoever the third scum is was entirely alone D1, and was probably alone in choosing the NK. Personally I think this points the most towards Marci and Dwlee, but if Salsabil is town the play has just been atrocious. I couldn't make sense of it.
If I had to pick one player right now I really dont know. I was reading a lot of Roden overnight once I realized that the scumflips meant the third scum was essentially alone due to DGB and N_M's activity. This led me towards either Marci or Dwlee, as Roden was pushing on them both and was TRing DGB until I wagoned it. He was blind to DGB until I pointed it out. Before that, he was pressuring Marci and a little bit Dwlee, but my impression was it was mostly pressure on Marci. He came back around to pushing Dwlee in twilight, going so far as to tell him to "enjoy his babysit" iirc. I dont have my notes handy atm.
I still think we can look at the FN crumb and the Babysitter claim and question why it was Roden over a PR, and why was it Roden over me? It's easy to say Roden over me because I'm scum, but I found a readslist of Roden's that I think is kinda my salvation. He has me, DGB, as high TRs, and N_M as a townlean. Why do I, in that situation, flashwagon DGB at the end of the day and then kill a widely TRed player that considered me a part of their townblock? I, as scum, would probably shoot Titus there to kill the Babysitter while there are more town available and she is statistically more likely to target town than mafia.
So it comes back to, why was Roden killed over a PR? Easy enough to say if they saw the FN crumb that they figured Titus would have too, and thought she could protect Manatee. Also easy enough to say the last scum didnt want to risk being targeted by Titus. I think Roden was killed because he was pushing Dwlee and Marci. If he was killed for being TRed it would have been me, so there must have been another reason.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I did this twice in Owners Market Blitz. Once on D1, Gamma was bussing his partner and I argued that Kitty (his partner) seemed like the "default" elimination. I fought for it to be anyone but Kitty, even directly appealed to Gamma to vote out a townie instead, and he didn't budge. I got flak for it from Nancy all game and I lived to MELO with Nancy, Marci, and Something_SmartIn post 2023, MathBlade wrote:
I don’t think it’s too scummy to be scum there. Too scummy to be scum would be an outright defense. What Kyo did was continually suggest other people.In post 2022, Dwlee99 wrote:The one thing giving me pause on is would scum!Kyo be that obvious there? Too scummy to be scum?
In MELO, I cased everyone. I wrote walls upon walls on every player, and I almost died for it because I was pushing everyone. In the end, Nancy and I caught S_S, but it was too late and we missed deadline and got a no elim. S_S killed Nancy and nearly convinced Marci to vote me out in ELO. But we won it. I'm a bit paranoid that scum!Marci is looking to imitate her OMB play in this game to trick me because I did TR her yesterday.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Salsa speaks English as a second language so wordplay like "I can be friendly" is something she could easily not pick up on.
Marci is easily confused. I dont know if that correlates, but I believe she could have missed it. There weren't any softs to pick up on in OMB, so I dont know if she would notice them or not. My gut instinct is to say she could have missed it.
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I also knew about the crumb because it was addressed to me and I immediately switched gears when Manatee crumbed to me. I think someone missed it tbh because if they didnt miss it they should have shot me.
I do kind of agree that shooting Titus on N2 is hard for Dwlee to do though when she seemed to be torn between him and omo during that day, even if she was more settled on omo at the end of Day.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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ALSO in OMB, I catch Gamma in essentially the same way that I catch DGB. I get to a stall in the game where my reads-based POE doesn't make sense anymore. I realize something is wrong and reassess (in this game I point put there is a hole in my reads somewhere), and I catch him off of an ISO read out of the blue. Same way as DGB. I think it is clearly not a bus by meShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Did I say that?In post 2033, Dwlee99 wrote:I would never kill Titus N2 there. The "not mafia is a jailkeeper and protected dwlee" theory is dead now.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I didn't remember saying it in those words exactly but I did think about it, considering Titus and I just did the same to Cyrus when he a combined BS Vig and we had a Jailkeeper on our scumteam in that large. I dont think this is a TMI, I probably said it, but couldn't find it on my phone.In post 2036, Dwlee99 wrote:
I thought so? You were saying NM could be a scum! jailkeeper with me and maybe I just extrapolated from that that it would explain the Titus kill if I was mafia?In post 2035, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Did I say that?In post 2033, Dwlee99 wrote:I would never kill Titus N2 there. The "not mafia is a jailkeeper and protected dwlee" theory is dead now.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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The reason for this is mainly I didnt expect to find anything useful. I've heard of N_M, I know hes a shitpost bot, and I figured there would be no point in metaing him. I had also decided already that I would eliminate him at deadline, and I didnt need to convince anyone to eliminate him since he was already E-1. I wasn't prioritizing him because it seemed a wasted effort since I'd be on him in the end anyways.In post 2024, MathBlade wrote:This is also the extent of her attempting to meta Not Mafia versus say me.
For me she seems to be trying to find anything to scumify me and when it didn’t work she backed off.
It’s more like she’s scum who didn’t like I had her buddy pinned.
If scum, I would have just bussed N_M yesterday with little affair. There was no point in fighting it as hard as I did.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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His flip confirms to me you are not scum, reasoning already posted. Me being wrong on him triggered me to reread again as I was wrong on him, so I figured I could be wrong on others.In post 2044, MathBlade wrote:@Kyo how did Not Mafia flipping goon change your reads if at all?
Most notably from my reread I saw Saudade try to get something started on N_M on D1, I believe off the back of the marcistar or Roden wagon, but I'd have to go back and check again. Either way it indicates he was uninformed imo.
With the N_M flip I realized the last scum was likely isolated on D1 due to the activity of DGB and N_M. They didnt have active team resources to collaborate on directing the gamestate, so it makes sense to me that the N1 kill was selected solely because it would benefit the last remaining scum. When I reached that conclusion I decided to focus on Roden's iso. What I'm having trouble with though is that Roden's ISO points one way: (marci, dwlee were his points of focus), and Salsa is just completely separated from the action on D1 with the self-vote. She was overruled on Max iirc, but I'll have to continue to reread and see how she reacted to that.
It would be great if we could just go Salsa>Marci and win, but I finally got the mini 2216 scum pt unlocked and it's troubling how closely dwlee's planning in the scum thread there lines up with how he's playing here. Most notably in buddying up to powertown!Math, and the way he keeps the deepwolf in mind. In that game, his idea in the PT was to push that the D1 wagon on scum was all town, because he was on the wagon.
In this game, he was off the wagon and is keeping the deepwolf idea fresh in our minds. It's not just him though, I had been entertaining the idea Math could be deep wolfing, and Math is the one that brought it up in the first place and has also been keeping the idea fresh. Dwlee and Salsa stand to gain from that idea being fresh in towns mind, that there is a deepwolf on the wagon. We would naturally be inclined to suspect myself, math, and Marci. The thing is though, Dwlee is not trying to ram my lim through despite what I did yesterday. It could be because scum!dwlee will try it in MELO, but I think that's just paranoia. I think Salsabil's posturing at the end of yesterDay is the most scummy.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I will say though that I've seen town!dwlee buddy up with powertown and sheep them as well. It's just his style as a player and it makes it hard to know if he's scum based on that alone.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I'm looking at D2 as well because it occurs to me that before geraintm flipped IC on d3 that scum could have been banking on him as a mislim. Once he was revealed IC the poe got small quick - Dwlee, Salsa, Marci, and N_M.
I think we're looking at salsa here tbh. She, like N_M, was off of the DGB wagon, voting herself. She was pushing geraintm D1 and D2 and she seems lost for what to do on D3.
This could be genuine frustration coming through for Salsa. She may have planned to come into D2 having me push hard for a Dwlee elimination, and might have been shocked to find that some people were TRing Dwlee for what he did, when she had possibly planned to use it as a reason to mislim him. Is it a coincidence that when Dwlee did not go through, she swapped onto omo, the other half of the pair of players that I claimed on D1 were hesitant to hammer.In post 1117, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1107, ManateeDude wrote:i actually think dwlee being off wagon in the way he was is a better look for him then the way omo hopped onWait, what??? Why not scum!Dwleewouldn’t do that???
I'm curious if you think it's possible that an all town wagon could have appeared based on seeing N_M and Salsa were self-voting? If both scum are self-voting and not taking action because they've seen town are eating each other, it could be difficult for them to get in motion quickly enough for them to stop a flashwagon on their partner.In post 1162, MathBlade wrote:
I work from what options exist and what is probable.In post 1160, marcistar wrote:
ah i c i c,In post 1153, MathBlade wrote:
Correct.In post 1149, marcistar wrote:
im confused, what r u thinking here..? do u think i could be scum pr..? why would "to save Marci"?In post 1144, MathBlade wrote:
Slight correction:In post 1138, oʍo wrote:Math buried DGB they were town anyways, math is anti d1 bussing iirc
As scum (which I am not) don’t bus unless I get something out of it. Very rarely do you get something from bussing a buddy D1.
This makes me think possible Marci+DGB+early voter on DGB to save Marci possibly.
I asked for no fast night to try to make sense of the vote patterns and couldn’t which is indicative of a deep wolf.
I do not believe ManateeDude is scum. Therefore wagons are start are TvT or SvT between you and ManateeDude.
Ergo scum wagon was swapped from Scum Goon to scum goon which is weird and I don’t see scum doing it
Or scum PR to scum goon scum motivated
Or Town to scum motivated town motivated
Me and Titus are town which makes it more likely the swap was scum motivated unless we had an all town wagon on DGB.
whats making u think it wasn't an all town wagon? just that u think theres deepwolf, or is there something else?
An all town wagon is just not the most probable.
My lunch break is over but it’s a vibes thing.
A all town wagon doesn’t just suddenly emerge on two stalled wagons. It feels artificial.
These VCs are actually what push me over the edge. Salsa is on all 3 of the peak wagons on town there, but when it comes time to vote DGB she is self-voting and complaining that this town doesnt want to cooperate. (Not sure if the complaints came on D1 or D2)In post 1165, oʍo wrote:In post 297, T3 wrote:In post 743, T3 wrote:
between the top 2 votecounts, bottom VC clears Marci IMOIn post 892, T3 wrote:
I know my reads aren't 100% shit so with 3/4 of my d1 scumreads being wrong on top of the 4th one actually being uninteractive with DGB slot, I'd venture to say I'm right on Max and I should have pushed it harder when I got pinged at the start.
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Make sure to read all of Marci's ISO D1 for context, and will probably need to open other players at times to see what she's responding toIn post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Theres a chance you or I die at 4 if we no lim and it could help the last town if they're paranoid of one of us. Will look for a deep wolf game of mine. Already posted all my old games, it's been a few years though so I'll have to look at them myself first. I've had 2 scum games since coming back and they were both bad performances.In post 2052, MathBlade wrote:
I think based on D1 Kyo/Marci is much more likely.In post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.
Like too much points this to be Kyo and I will have time Sunday to read but I also don’t like how in her latest post she’s all like “yeah elim Salsa then if that fails no elim” when no elim changes like nothing. I die and it’s the same PoE if Salsa is town.
So like ??? If anything if Salsa is town we just run the 4P melo.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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So it's old and it's a micro, but I think it's a good example of a deepwolf game you're looking for and it's only 36 pages.
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I'm inclined to agree but I just saw scum kill in 4p MELO on no lim recently. Idk why they did, but they did. Could happen again, and doesnt hurt to try I think.In post 2055, MathBlade wrote:
No there isn’t.In post 2054, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Theres a chance you or I die at 4 if we no lim and it could help the last town if they're paranoid of one of us. Will look for a deep wolf game of mine. Already posted all my old games, it's been a few years though so I'll have to look at them myself first. I've had 2 scum games since coming back and they were both bad performances.In post 2052, MathBlade wrote:
I think based on D1 Kyo/Marci is much more likely.In post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.
Like too much points this to be Kyo and I will have time Sunday to read but I also don’t like how in her latest post she’s all like “yeah elim Salsa then if that fails no elim” when no elim changes like nothing. I die and it’s the same PoE if Salsa is town.
So like ??? If anything if Salsa is town we just run the 4P melo.
Assume a you + me + scum + one Townie combo.
It literally does not serve scum’s interest to kill there if your theory is true because you said it aloud.
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This kind of shallow thinking: I'm not going to vote for my scumread because my other scumread is voting them, is scum-indicative. Town doesnt have a perfect picture and should expect that they could be wrong on one or the other, and shouldn't be worried about this on D1 with no flips. I think more likely she is waiting to see which way the tide is turning before votingIn post 433, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 253, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Let me take you through the reasoning again since you seem to not follow, based on you a) saying my read is unreasonable and b) calling my read hypocritical.In post 251, Roden wrote:
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.In post 245, marcistar wrote:
do u usually play like this..?In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
1. Roden's ISO up to 172 seems content to participate in RVS.
2. Roden, in 172, complains that RVS is going on too long. Conclusion: Roden wants to move the game out of RVS. Up to this point, the thought process tracks. Youwerefine to participate in RVS, but now you are tiring of it.
3. In 173, immediately afterward, you ask omo how serious their hero solve is. In good faith, this can be seen as an attempt to get the conversation movingawayfrom RVS. To this point, your purported stance on RVS and your actions still track with one another.
4. Things of interest that could be commented on occur while you are offlineSpoiler: The things that happened, raw quotes, no context
5. In 218, when you return, your immediate post is "Didn't get an answer to this." Your question was directed at omo, and if you had read to know he didnt answer you, you would have also seen he was husy engaging with one of the scumreads in his hero solve. A more appropriate follow up for town that was tring to sort omo would be to comment on his interaction with Max, or follow up with a question asking him to explain his read on Marci or Manatee, as it seems clear that he is serious about Max, and by extension, should be serious about the others.
In my opinion, you should have been commenting on the action from 4. 218 is the kind of post that scum makes to give the appearance they are genuinely scumhunting: "look everyone, when he didn't answer my question, I didnt forget about it. Call me town because I'm following through with this" - I used to do this as scum all the time. I would re-iso myself constantly and make sure everyone had answered my questions and if they had not, I would get loud about it. Because a lot of people will form scumreads because "this person is asking questions but isn't drawing meaningful conclusions", or "... but doesn't seem to care when they go unanswered"
There is the reasoning.
a) My read on you is not unreasonable.
b) The basis of my read is that you did not comment on things that could take the game out of RVS when you purport to be tiring of it. There is nothing hypocritical about my read, because I did not say I was tiring of RVS (though I was, and was having difficulty forming reads), and am bringing something that gets the ball rolling instead of doing very little about it and trying to make it look like I am doing more than I am.
To say my read is hypocritical is to show that you are not trying to understand my thought process. If you had tried to understand it, you would have known what my issue with you was, and you would not accuse me of being hypocritical. It shows you are thinking at a shallow level by reducing my read on you to "Roden didnt comment on everything so he is scum" and trying to flip that reduction around on me and call me hypocritical for not commenting on everything.Ok, I'm convinced to voteRodenbut my current SROMOalso voted them and I don’t think scum need to buss this early. I'll decide after finishing the catch-up ig.
As mentioned in 487, I was pinged by Salsa calling this TMI. Knowing the flips now though, Roden was saying Looker (DGB) was either scum claiming or a tpr trying to dodge the NK by scumming it up. To say that mentioning PR here is TMI doesnt make sense from a town perspective. It is common knowledge that a strategy as a TPR can be to make yourself a viable candidate for a mislim on a later day so that you dont get NKed (see geraintm's lurking playstyle in this game). Roden isn't saying "you're a PR", which would TMI he knows Looker is town (he wasn't town), Roden is saying it's one or the other. Again this is common knowledge, so accusing Roden of TMI here felt wrong to me as it seemed a reasonable statement for an uninformed townie to make.In post 697, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 487, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I don't understand how this seems TMI. How'd you come to this conclusion? The rest of your posting tracks, but this doesn't for me.In post 430, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 222, Roden wrote:
We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.In post 219, Looker wrote:Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.This mentioning PR part seems TMI.They could say town but used the word pr which pinged me.
I think what was really going on was 2 things: 1, by saying it's TMI, it paints Roden as scum (chainsawing), and 2, the implication is that Roden is TMIing scum!Looker as town, which is a defense of Salsabil's scum buddy Looker.
Also, if the word PR pinged her, she's probably on the lookout for it. Maybe Salsa thought he was actually TMIing that he was a PR and that's why Roden died. Just to PR hunt.
However, Roden is advocating that Dwlee, one of Salsabil's prime scumreads, is town here. Killing him removes that obstacle.In post 714, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 711, Roden wrote:I was getting the feeling that Dwlee is just a flailing townie.Hmm...
So she's fine with a policy on N_M on D1, and she's seen him do this as scum, but on D3 she doesnt vote him until the pressure comes onto her. Until then, she is content to vote alongside him on a counterwagon to his, with me, who she is now scumreading... for being wrong on the person she was counterwagoning? I'm actually not recalling why she is SRing me because it looked weak to me and I was expecting it from end of her D3 play.In post 773, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 751, MathBlade wrote:How do you feel about a policy geraintm or Not Mafia?
Why is Not Mafia so high despite like no posts?I've no problem ig.
For the reasonNot_Mafiais getting townnread here, I'm not actually sure about it cause I saw scum!him did that.
Now this is a ridiculous proposal in and of itself, but suddenly she is willing to sheep dwlee when she's been interested in eliminating him pretty much all game to.this point.In post 783, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 781, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus is actually more likely scum than manatee I think so if people are down for a flash wagonHmmmm.....
Fine, will sheep you this time, if anyone fromTitusandManateewill flip green, you're red... deal?
UNVOTE: OMO
VOTE: Titus
Hmm, what's wrong with this readslist?In post 1001, Salsabil Faria wrote:What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was votingOMOandDwlee, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went againstTitusor to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!
UNVOTE: Marci
VOTE: Salsabil Faria
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Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.
1. Dwlee in her scumreads, even though she was just seemingly flipped on him and was sheeping him
2. N_M in "the rest are null", when she has stated already that she has seen that N_M has played this exact way as scum before.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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In post 1749, Salsabil Faria wrote:I give you guys 2 propositions:
1. Eliminate me today andDwleetomorrow.
2. If you want to keep me alive today but eliminate me in the melo/elo, then eliminateDwleetoday!
My rl is a mess rn, can't help you that much.In post 1759, Salsabil Faria wrote:OkDwlee, IthinkI can believe you for a short time
UNVOTE: Dwlee
VOTE: MarciIn post 1827, Salsabil Faria wrote:By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.
Marciis saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.ssbmstill town to me, that left:
Dwlee
Not_Mafia
Math
You can go for in this order tomorrow.
UNVOTE: Marci
VOTE: Salsabil FariaIn post 1855, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 1829, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Salsabil Faria
Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myselfThanks for the scum claim, who are you trying to save?
Btw, don't remember if I say this already but I don’t buy yourI can readread, it’s sounded TMI. And at that point, if you could really read them correctly (while they were not active that much iirr), then yougeraintmshouldread me properly too, because you were the mod in one of my scum games and you played with town!me in several game as both alignment. Yes, I change my play style recently but why scum!me will play like this, what benefit I'm having rn?
TL;DR you're scum!
UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria
VOTE: Not_MafiaSo the above 5 posts are like, Salsabil's progression throughout D3. Again there's this pattern of scumreading Dwlee, but when it is convenient, sheeping him. She briefly cases N_M, but it really feels unnatural to me. Somehow him self-voting is a scumclaim today when it was no problem on D1. For some reason, D3 he was trying to save someone, but Salsabil doesnt name who it is because there's no competing wagon, unless you want to count Dwlee? It feels made up, and she has no qualms about voting other players with little to no reason. So the cas here feels like TMIing her partner. And Salsa and N_M were voting Dwlee with me yesterday, so her stance on N_M doesn't align with her voting or her reads on dwlee.
Also questioning the manatee confirmation is just wild. Manatee had messaged Math as well, so what, Manatee, Math, and I are all scum covering for each other? After DGB is already flipped. This just cant be realIn post 1897, Salsabil Faria wrote:Another thing, isManateereally confirmed?? I mean I know she claimed friendly neighbour and sent pm tossbmbutssbmherself not confirmed yet. Are they can be scums??
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In post 83, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 75, oʍo wrote:
VOTE: MaxTheFoxIn post 66, MaxTheFox wrote:Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?
VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.
This is a nervous scumclaim right hereIn post 78, oʍo wrote:
NM, Salsa, and Saudade are also town. Manatee is another potential mafia.In post 25, Salsabil Faria wrote:*Visibly ignoring*
Go to the top quote and read what happens between these two posts, then keep reading Salsa's catchup. Note that Salsabil's catchup doesnt comment on N_M or Looker at all, and they're both getting some heat in this period of time.In post 152, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 85, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:^quotes are because I thought geraint also wasn't voting, was wondering why manatee did not ask geraint. But I had forgotten 59, thought geraint only made 1 postBut you votedTitusinstead ofManateeDude.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I think I did end up voting the more I read, but I didn't vote at first because I have overnight read notes I wanted to post this morning.In post 2081, MathBlade wrote:Kyo if you’re sure of your case why are you not voting?
I didn't use the word mistake, so I'm wondering what specifically you are referring to, because I can't tell from context. You didn't quote any particular post of mine when you said that originally - you quoted yourself, and it is not clear what you are talking about.In post 2083, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 2078, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
What were these mistakes, and who thought you made them?In post 2073, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 2070, Salsabil Faria wrote:One of the reasons I'm not that much invested in this game because I don’t rollscumhere.Another thing, I'mnotstupid as scum. The mistakes I made here which you think I made as scum, scum!me will never do that, Ialwaysread the thread.You mentioned those already! Interesting fact is that you are thinking asscumI did all of this to put all the attention towards my back while havingNot_MafiaandDGBas my scum-partners!! Either you're stupid!town who think I'm stupid!scum or you're the deep wolf who setting up for a LHF miselimination.
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This is what I found overnight. Some I've discussed already - the general concepts, but I haven't had access to my notes to get specific post numbers over the weekend.
Some observations that came in order:- Titus has now flipped, so we know that on N1, scum knew she was a town Babysitter
- Scum did not shoot Titus or Manatee because crumbs were missed.
- DGB died while it was travelling IRL and wouldn't have been around to help spot the FN crumb imo. When it got ran up as a wagon, it only had time to post a pleading post about "my husband is in the driveway already" or something like that. I think it's clear it did not have time to read closely. Not_Mafia seems to have been Not_Reading, so that leaves just the third scum responsible for both spotting the crumb, and choosing the NK.
Quotes in/around Roden's ISO
This felt similar to me how boxxy caught Dwlee in Mini 2216, which is detailed at the bottom of this post.In post 621, Roden wrote:
I just wanted you to play, you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?In post 619, Dwlee99 wrote:Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.
UNVOTE:
I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.In post 644, Roden wrote:
Why are you editing your own post to make your quote look more credible...?In post 622, Dwlee99 wrote:
@rodenIn post 612, Dwlee99 wrote:[ManateeGal], Titus, and Kyo
I feel like you keep asking me questions I've already answered or saying things about things I've posted that aren't true.
So if I understand correctly, you told me I was misinterpreting your accusation. You aren't suspecting Kyouko just because she voted you. But here you're directly saying you suspect Manatee and Titus because they voted for you. You even throw in Kyoukoagainand say her vote is terrible.
What exactly am I misinterpreting?
I grabbed these last 2 without any annotation on them, I think to show that Roden was pushing Dwlee during D1.In post 648, Roden wrote:
You changed the content and formatting completely. The original post didn't look like the hero solve you tried to make it look like afterwards at all.In post 646, Dwlee99 wrote:I edited "you" to Manatee for readability... Dude what
What terrible reasons? Were my reasons good then?In post 647, Dwlee99 wrote:And it isn't that they're voting me alone. It's that they're voting me for terrible reasons. That's scummy
This is the readslist I found while reading Roden that I think points towards me not being the last scum. In this post, Roden has me, DGB as TRs, and N_M as a townlean. Roden was also widely TRed and a part of the townblock. It would have been easy to not bus and keep Roden alive, and if I was going to bus for towncred, I think bussing N_M would have been the better play as he's a liability to be policied anyways. With what did happen though, it wouldn't make sense for me to kill Roden N1.In post 665, Roden wrote:TOWN READS
Kyouko- Probably the closest we have to obvtown.
DGB- Looker spewed town before they replaced in.
TOWN LEANS
Not_Mafia- He's been inactive the past couple days but he was actually trying to solve early on.
Titus- She's not trying too hard to look town, she's actively trying to gain information, and her responses feel genuine.
Salsabil- She only has one read that I disagree with, which actually helps make me think her reads are authentic and not just following general consensus.
NULL
OMO and Saudade (not Math)- Both are Null for the same reason. Both have been fairly chaotic, which helps generate content, but they're not doing a whole lot of actual solving themselves.
Geraintm- Not much content to look at. He's done this as town before but it's ultimately NAI.
Dwlee- Idk why they're making such a conscious effort to look scummy. It makes me think possibly just confused town, but they've played long enough to know better.
SCUM LEANS
ManateeDude- I feel like she has scum equity with Max and Marci after we had our back and forth. She occasionally gives town vibes with her posts though, so not a definite scum read.
Math (not Saudade)- Terrible entrance, terrible vote, and fake sounding questions all make him sound incredibly scummy in a short amount of time. Combined with my read on Saudade, this slot doesnt feel good at all to me.
SCUM READS
Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity. Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
This is where Roden starts to shift his focus onto Marci. I actually thought at first that this is where he landed for the day and began thinking Marci is more likely that Dwlee to want to kill Roden, but then toward EoD Roden comes back onto Dwlee a bit.In post 889, Roden wrote:Marci, if you're town I really want you to defend yourself. I don't want you mis-elim'd if you're just a passive player, so please make a case for yourself.
The biggest thing that's pinged me are your associatives with Max and Manatee, and then the blatant distancing that happened afterward. Something I commented on and that Kyouko noticed too is that it also looked like you were trying to build fake scum equity with Manatee. Your vote on Looker/DGB also doesn't read as town since you've made several accusations and suspected others since then. Why did you never change your vote/why are you so certain about DGB?
These are the things that need to be addressed the most IMO.
This is where things start to heat up between Dwlee and Roden toward end of D1In post 1043, Roden wrote:
This isn't an explanation. This is actually just incredibly frustrating because I keep asking you to restate your posts since I supposedly keep misunderstanding them. I just asked you to do so again and instead you say it's weird that I don't understand your posts. This is just circular logic.In post 1042, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 903, Dwlee99 wrote:
Read our interactions. He misunderstands my posts in I almost all of them.In post 900, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:To be fair max probably deserves to be null on my list, I'm quite focused on manatee/marci and max sits down there still because she was there before
Pedit: oh okay well, hmm. I think Roden is town, I guess is all I can say. What do you mean he's "being weird" with you
Proof that I asked you to and that you refused to do so.In post 599, Roden wrote:
Restate your accusation then. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not gonna let you gaslight me into thinking I misread what was a very blatantly lazy retaliation post from you against Kyouko.In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:
You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.In post 552, Roden wrote:
I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.In post 544, Roden wrote:
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.
And this is where Roden implies Dwlee could get Babysitted. Maybe this was enough to scare scum!Dwlee, but again, since my overnight read, I've read more of Salsabil's D1 and seen that even outside of the times she was self-voting to avoid the DGB wagon, she has done other scummy things. It's no longer a case of "well she self-voted when we were eliminating scum", there are additional times where her votes and her reads and posts are inconsistent, especially so around N_M, and around Dwlee, who she keeps flip-flopping on. She goes from scum-reading Dwlee to sheeping him and then back, I think more than once.In post 1051, Roden wrote:
Refusing to cooperate is a scum tell then. Enjoy your likely Babysitter visit.In post 1048, Dwlee99 wrote:Because if you can't figure out how to read my posts this is going to be terrible as long as we are both alive.
Mini 2216 Scum PT Quotes
Dwlee did not seem to consider shooting a claimed PR - in this game neither claimed PR died (we know Dwlee knew Manatee was softing FN)In post 27, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay cool. Honestly I'd appreciate any help in picking the night kill. Read all of day one if you can. It's pretty short and also a dumpster fire for us. I think I'm suspicious af rn and there are a lot of solid people townreading each other so I kind of want to set you up to end game if we can. There is a claimed roaming detective and we have to consider who should make the night kill and where.
Roden was widely townread. A similarity, but in fairness, this is a lot of scum's reasoning when killingIn post 29, Dwlee99 wrote:I would agree that it is best to kill a widely townread person. I was thinking of whether I could claim town complex fruit vendor but I don't think that is plausible enough. If I tried it I would target boxxy to confirm him as a PR and then claim it. I don't think it works as a town claim though.
In this game, Roden is killed on the wagon, and then the deepwolf argument is made. This part in particular is more specifically similar to the current game than the previous quote, and is one of the most concerning things about Dwlee.In post 36, Dwlee99 wrote:Not sure about killing Kyo. Are we trying to set up Seanzie kind of? I was thinking it might be good to kill on the wagon and then maybe make the argument that the wagon is locktown and because I'm on it that argument might benefit us.
In post 42, Dwlee99 wrote:Lol Boxxy's read of me is so dead on accurate.Boxxy's read on Dwlee from main thread of Mini 2216In post 748, boxxy wrote:Snipped quote
Reading Dwlee99 in iso, I don't like it. He seems a little too agreeable in how he joins up with powertown monkey/nom.
Goes from really liking my play
To joining the wagon once it had momentum but the content had not changed.In post 247, Dwlee99 wrote:
This is a super weird take?In post 241, humaneatingmonkey wrote:let's do boxxy guys. it's a good wagonI've liked boxxy's posting a lot.I'm still trying to figure out nom though. I don't know if nom withholding the tell is inherently scummy but I'd really like to hear it if it's going to be justifying a scum read this early especially when it feels like cyrus town-slipped.
Finally he hammers cyrus once it was a foregone conclusion. It just feels a bit too much like trying not to be objectionable and make friends with powertown.In post 362, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 334, boxxy wrote:In post 325, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay, I've read over that interaction and I see what you're talking about now. I wish boxxy was here to respond and give some updates but I feel like him not is kind of by his own design.
VOTE: boxxy
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In post 621, Roden wrote:
I just wanted you to play,In post 619, Dwlee99 wrote:Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?
UNVOTE:
I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.
The similarity is in green. Since taking these notes though I feel comfortable that it's a playstyle thing for you and the act itself is NAI. To get AI with it, the context of who your targets are, and your reads on them, matters.In post 2089, Dwlee99 wrote:What is similar from Boxxy's read in that game to Roden's here? I don't think there are any similarities. Boxxy's point was that I flip-flopped on him extremely easily to join the wagon on him, and I only hammered Cyrus because it was going to happen anyway. Both things were true. Roden's posts you quoted were mostly about me not explicitly explaining why his interpretation of my post was wrong.
I'm assuming in 2216's PT you were actually saying the assessment of your flip-flop is what was spot on? When I read it, I thought it was the buddying powertown and sheeping that you were referring to.
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Also 621 is what seemed similar to Boxxy's read to me. The other posts were just to illustrate that Roden was pushing you. I was going through Roden's iso looking for who he was pushing because I realized the Roden kill was probably the sole choice of the last living scum, and I think that is important in catching the last scum.
As I said in that post though, I think when I was reading Roden that I didnt actually find the true reason he died, rather, later on I found that he was advocating for you as flailing town, and Salsabil's reaction to that was questionable. Combine that with Salsabil's reaction to Marci saying on D2 that you're town for not hammering DGB, and that if anything omo looks worse. Salsa seems confused or upset that people do not want to mislim you immediately on D2. She probably killed Roden because he was your advocate. Salsa switches gears and pushes for omo instead at that point. I think Salsa was wanting to mislim you on D2 as it was in line with her D1 read, and I had made the case that you and omo were not voting DGB with the rest of town on D1.
Kinda like how I was as scum in 2213 (I think this was the number - Osuka modded the game) with Zyla. I just kept pushing Zyla D2, because she was my D1 scumread. It's easier to look town when you're being consistent, and by tunneling you can avoid taking stances on other players that you may need to mislim later.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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If this doesn't end with Salsa I'll be disappointed tbhIn post 2097, MathBlade wrote:
I view this as more a battle of PoE. We have two shots to get it right. Eventually we have to guess somewhere. If we are wrong we reread overnight and try again.In post 2096, Dwlee99 wrote:Yes it was the flip-flop that I thought was accurate.
I will just reiterate that I would never kill Titus there because I think I was just as likely her shot as Omo was. I think that kill should basically locktown me.
I think I agree with your order @Math, it's the same as my order from yesterday, I think I'm just a little concerned about Marci maybe? She ~feels~ town and I think so does Kyo, which makes me think we just win off of killing Salsa, but if we are wrong on Salsa I'll be confused.
I think this, worst case scenario, is you and me deciding Kyo or Marci.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Might be good to see what Marci has to say before hammer, in case Salsa doesnt end the game, but aside from that I dont have anything to add right now. Math will presumably say what he has to say about his Sunday reading on me Tomorrow if Salsa doesnt end thisShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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