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[Cephrir]

and why is galron literally advocating to get himself shot again?

also i'm kinda objecting to the notion that i'm 'completely refusing to engage' with your points

It's the best play. Everyone with a gun shoots me.

If we flip a townie today, and I'm scum we start tomorrow 5-1.
If we flip a townie today, and I'm town we start tomorrow 4-2.
If we flip a maf today, and I'm scum, then gg.
If we flip a maf today, and I'm town, we start tomorrow 5-1.

this post actually makes it very clear why we should have at least two players getting shot. there is no reason to leave it on evens.

[Cephrir]

i think ss is right and we should elim a non-gunned player to maximize town controlled kills, but if we don't care about that, we should try to shoot an even number of players

[Cephrir]

Why is no one suspicious of cephrir anymore?

I think because he hasn't posted a lot in the last couple of days and he's dropped off the radar a bit.

Hmmm why did you say this then if he's a neighbor Galron?

Because you're a neighbor, if he is, your solving shouldn't fall off. He's not been that present. Very well could be nai. Or it could be related. I don't know. And it could be that he has been more present that I think and I just don't remember it. I look at ydrasse's post count and it's at 300, but I can hardly remember much of what she's been about this game.

I've been pretty present except for the last, like, one day of real time

[Cephrir]

So, it seems like the ones who were actively avoiding the Ceph wagon were ssbm and Gamma.

My reads are in a tangle right now.

UNVOTE:

Hardly for spurious reasons. I've been working with both of them all game.

[Cephrir]

I want to believe that scum-skitter wouldn't be defending town-Galron this heavily, but sadly I think that's exactly the kind of fancy play she might do even if she didn't need to. Besides, as I've been saying, it's what I would do as scum.

I guess the real question is does scum-skitter defend scum-Galron. Because if not then it never makes sense to flip him today, we'd always want to flip her first.

If skitter/Galron is the team they have two executions and four bullets to avoid. Skitter pushing me as hard as she can is basically a foregone conclusion in that world, and she has to act unconvinced by my logic. But, even if she gets me executed, Gamma might still shoot one of them, and then the other is probably in hot water in mylo.

Its conceivable, but like I've said, I'm not big on unflipped associatives. I'd rather solve it tomorrow if I'm alive or with my hands of the whole thing if not. I was thinking ydrasse for his most likely partner, but I think someone posted something today that made me think otherwise. I forget.

[Cephrir]

Hardly for spurious reasons. I've been working with both of them all game.

That's true, I can't reasonably double check the reasoning.

Do you think this fact makes them more likely to gift you a FN?

If they were scum? I think they'd be likely to keep me alive. I'd think scum would give the FN to somebody they want to shoot later, but maybe there's some reason to give it to an ally that's less obvious to me. Of course they may yet shoot me, I suppose if they could shoot me the nightthey gave it out that would be pretty stupid and last night their kill was presumably spoken for.

[Cephrir]

Maybe having conftoen in your corner is pretty good and they dont think I'd start wifoming if left alive too long. I totally would though. I love to get in my own head late game:p

[Cephrir]

I thi k it's probably ok to say airdrop is a weird choice of words and move on. Maybe it means something (I guess if he knew it came from the callers it makes more sense?). Maybe it doesnt.

[Cephrir]

i could see some of them being fake, but if they're all fake, this is stupid

[Cephrir]

Ceph this is why sending the fn result to ss was such an incredibly bad idea

well i've been honorary scum this game huh.

[Cephrir]

gamma's survival is interesting, but why on earth would you shoot pooky.

[Cephrir]

@Ydra, Gamma, Skitter: if one of you 3 is scum and you flip me today you will have to deal with Cephrir's FN claim in ELO. Up to you, but mechanically this is ideal. I'm confident in my ELO play if scum try to leave me alive for WIFOM

?? no you don't. my claim is essentially moot now. just judge me like anyone else. sorry for blowing it though.

[Cephrir]

ewait i just realized that post was addressed to scum what

[Cephrir]

Also the tetrina shot points to scum in ssbm/ceph - scum were scared of showing up with a gun when they didnt claim one, it looks like

No other reason to kill her really

hmm. i mean, you go in this group too, but you're town, i'm pretty sure.

tetrina was unpredictable. i think scum who feel confident they could close it out would kill her.

[Cephrir]

you helped push out house/enchant! @ceph

i suppose

still feel a bit like a stupid patsy haha

[Cephrir]

if it's gamma or skitter, i feel like they just win and that's fine. gamma has just been obvious town from the very start, and i don't see skitter paired with ss at all off the top of my head, although i'll have to do some reveiew.

[Cephrir]

tbh the biggest thing in ydrasse's favor might be admitting to something that looks so bad

but at the same time, ive learned from experience that people claiming absurd night actions are usually just scum.

i do really want to think my game long townread on kyouko is right, but it could also just be why they picked me for FN

[Cephrir]

i suspect that my gift came from scum

[Cephrir]

i think scum who feel confident they could close it out would kill her.

this would, like, definitely be kyouko, if anyone.

[Cephrir]

i guess later i'll throw away my earlier analysis of day 1 and do it over.

[Cephrir]

pooky probably shot ss.

did we actually finish massclaiming?

[Cephrir]

@Ydra, Gamma, Skitter: if one of you 3 is scum and you flip me today you will have to deal with Cephrir's FN claim in ELO. Up to you, but mechanically this is ideal. I'm confident in my ELO play if scum try to leave me alive for WIFOM

?? no you don't. my claim is essentially moot now. just judge me like anyone else. sorry for blowing it though.

Like skitter said theres no way I die tonight. I either get limmed today or live to see ELO. I dont want you in ELO with me because of the FN being sent to S_S

okay but this mindset doesn't make sense coming from town. you're appealing to scum to elim me because you're worried about being in elo with me, but it only makes sense for you to not want to be in elo with me if you think i'm scum or are scum yourself

[Cephrir]

i claimed vt, didn't i? or did i not post that post again after my post got eaten.

[Cephrir]

i think it’s more fn sent to scum undermines the authenticity especially as it could have been a prior conceived plan if scum knew about the guns

also i think you were the only person to get something that wasn’t a gun .-.

of course it undermines the authenticity. duh. it's up to you all to decide if you want to play wifom games about it or just disregard it but throwing me away because wifom is scary isn't one of the options

[Cephrir]

@Ydra, Gamma, Skitter: if one of you 3 is scum and you flip me today you will have to deal with Cephrir's FN claim in ELO. Up to you, but mechanically this is ideal. I'm confident in my ELO play if scum try to leave me alive for WIFOM

?? no you don't. my claim is essentially moot now. just judge me like anyone else. sorry for blowing it though.

Like skitter said theres no way I die tonight. I either get limmed today or live to see ELO. I dont want you in ELO with me because of the FN being sent to S_S

okay but this mindset doesn't make sense coming from town. you're appealing to scum to elim me because you're worried about being in elo with me, but it only makes sense for you to not want to be in elo with me if you think i'm scum or are scum yourself

I do think you're scum though, because S_S was scum and Galron was town. You were S_S's other possible partner

then why did you post 4432 instead of just pushing me

[Cephrir]

@ceph i just feel like a lot of pressure you were under was explicitly alleviated by ss so it’s just a bit ? to handle

nyeh

you're allowed to think that. just push me or don't. don't appeal to fear and mechanics being scary or whatever. if you can find scum motivation in my actions, go off

i don't see cephscum making the plays i'd have to have made here, but i understand thinking that

[Cephrir]

If you're town, I dont want to be in ELO with you. Me or you needs to die toDay for healthy ELO imo

this is still a scum thought process

[Cephrir]

i am not out here calculating who i have good odds against in elo and you shouldn't be either

[Cephrir]

i didn't even read the "scum leave me alive for wifom" part haha that's so weird

[Cephrir]

If you think your chances in ELO are better than mine, get me to E-1 and I'll hammer myself.

you're... still addressing me like you think i'm town...

[Cephrir]

VOTE: kyouko

[Cephrir]

you can't keep your story straight about what i'm supposed to be haha

[Cephrir]

self destruct speedrun

[Cephrir]

seems wild if this is a gambit

i think it's just a concession

[Cephrir]

oh

well

hope i'm right then

[Cephrir]

sure

[Cephrir]

still baffled by the idea that could be a real thought but not much sense arguing with the dead :/

[Cephrir]

yes it's skitter's fault

[Cephrir]

i assumed this sort of thing just happened all the time out in the wild where i don't usually play

[Cephrir]

What if I'm scum tho? (:

with all due respect, bite me

[Cephrir]

That's a shame then

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Cephrir]

I wouldn't have chosen you to have the deciding vote after you've been suspicious of me literally all game x.x

Anyway, I might try later, but if you don't care that's fine.

[Cephrir]

Gamma probably died because he's been consistently townreading me!

I don't really care what your reasons are yeah, and you probably dont care to hear my response either -.-

[Cephrir]

my best off the top of my head case for myself being town is pretty much an awful argument but here yuo go anyway.

i don't play scum like i played this game. when i see a scumteam doing as bad as this one, i say "looks like i have to town it up super hard and win on my own." i've never in my life defended a doomed partner the way i was going to bat for ss in this game like an idiot.

i also don't pull stupid gambits like my claim would have to be. the sum total of my scum gambiting history is i claimed miller once.

i'll try to come up with something better than self meta, but i don't make these risky plays. im messy because town.

[Cephrir]

and i would actaully listen to what you ahve to say if you wanted to try to convince me to vote ydra, but if you don't want to go through that process i'm not gonna force you

im thinking about making an attempt, even if mostly for my own satisfaction so the whole affair isn't my fault

[Cephrir]

his last stated suspeciion was scum in you/ssbm, and he was very resistant to the idea of ydra scum. honestly i dont' know why either of you left me alive but it makes less sense for her to have killed gamma than for you to have

i guess i wasn't paying attention to that.

i think people tend to return to their roots in limlo though.

[Cephrir]

Oh, *please* explain that

VOTE: Skitter

I was gonna vote Ydrasse since I don't believe in town slips but this was a weirdly sensitive response to a single vote.

"fos buddy, vote townie"

that's the only time he ever mentioned her and he hardly mentioned me at all either

house has nothing

time to revisit the d1 wagons again again again

[Cephrir]

why did i switch my vote to enchant? i know ss' scum game isn't good, i'd have preferred a total unknown. (i've never played with enchant before.)

[Cephrir]

sure, we could use some motion

VOTE: roden

this is the 3rd vote on the roden wagon. there are no votes on house slot here. why am i trying to make this wagon happen?

i wonder where ydrasse is at in all this fun!

i hard carried that game

reading the thread but talking about something else, and

that wagon gets to 4 and then the enchant wagon kicks off and starts looking serious. let's check in with our pal ydrasse and see how she is attacking one or more of these scum!

i don't feel like posting but also want to post >_>

ah. i see.

[Cephrir]

Both Enchant and Smart are scums

wisdom from the mouths of babes

[Cephrir]

s_s replaces into scum slots without fail its s_s

fwiw, i feel like ydra's total lack of effort at like any point makes sense from someone who's on that scumteam. i don't know her especially well tho.

shes been consistently demotivated except when it's time to post some town sounding emotions which from a distance i feel like is her thing, skill wise (i don't mean this to sound insulting sorry)

[Cephrir]

didn't mean to quote that

[Cephrir]

s_s replaces into scum slots without fail its s_s

oh huh

VOTE: enchant

ugh, i guess we did similar things

[Cephrir]

ms stop quoting 1724 challenge

[Cephrir]

e_e

i like the makeup of the enchant wagon more but wanna vote s_s

why tho

UNVOTE:

they're at 5/5 each

im getting anuket topaz flashbacks

without knowing anything about the referenced game, this seems like an attempt to stall both and...

im fine with waiting

i kind of want to post/talk but also im playing super animal royale which is objectively, a lot of fun

does anyone wanna talk abt something

I don't think I've been very serious this game

you’ve been SO serious

distract us by arguing with pooky

[Cephrir]

:< i wanna vote enchant

???? you "wanted to vote ss" two seconds ago and there was no reason you couldn't do either thing so what is the purpose of these posts

[Cephrir]

Gamma seemed to have a moderate strength opinion that SS is the easier read of the two. Sure.

VOTE: Enchant

Pedit: a little. I dont know what it is about me particularly that is so aggressively making them not feel any kind of way

Ceph sitting on a roden vote foe quite a long time anf then switching to enchant at the time he did is probably important but idk what it means

i agree that's important :3

[Cephrir]

should i just stop? you seem pretty convinced.

[Cephrir]

i guess i'll respond, but i don't think i'm going to be very convincing

[Cephrir]

- ceph is the only person to have claimed to have received anything from scum other than the guns; all the other gifts tie to shiki in some way

i don't really have anything to say to that. maybe mine came from the scum caller? that seems more elegant. :shrug:

- he used that to get out of being eod2 wagon, and was later hedge-y if that was his only role/pr/gift

I mean, i claimed a true thing because i thought i could prove myself as town. it's what town would do there. so this is really just the first point again.
yes, i did hedge whether i had anything else. i have strong opinions about claim play as town. you probably don't care about them.

- the whole 'giving the FN to the consensus sr' is such poor judgement that i have a hard time understanding how that comes from town. like yeah it's a moot point because we can't trust it now, but if you had given it to someone who would reliably convey the results, you'd be conftown now. idk how you oversee that, you obviously knew ss was suspected, him reporting the result is meaningless, and the fact that you didn't recognize that baffles me

Yeah. In that regard, I've blown it. I just wanted to make absolutely sure I could get it out, and I had a wrong read. I'm not sure what I would do if I were in a similar situation again. Him reporting the result didn't look meaningless to me at the time. It looks like this mistake has cost us the game, and I'm sorry for that.

- everyone else (gamma, ydra) had a *very* emotional reaction to ssbm doing whatever the fuck they were doing, you didn't. you were just very like 'oh well too bad'. i think people without an emotional reaction there are more likely to be scum because holy fuck was that annoying and frustrating. honestly probably my strongest point in ydra's favor is the fact that she is quite clearly pissed

ydra is good at faking emotions, right? idk. my immediate reaction was that she was scum and had fucked up an ATE attempt due to missing gamma's vote and/or was giving up. my only exposure to ssbm is knowing that she faked a cop guilty in some other game, so i guess it wasn't that surprising? once it became clear she was town, i wasn't happy. i'm trying to not emotionpost as much because i just got out of a super embarrassing game where i vomited my emotions all over the thread (a scum game, incidentally, and here i am not doing that. shrug.)

- defended ss all game for spurious reasons (note that ydra was actaully pushing him day2)

I disagree with the notion that those reasons were spurious. I felt like he was townposting. I still don't really think i was wrong to townread his posting around the DGB wagon where he essentially advocated for his own death; another scum player wouldn't have done that. I did, yes, kind of assume day 1 wasn't s/s, and that set me on the wrong track long term.

does ydra pushing him day 2 when he looked like toast even mean anything? i guessit does to you or you wouldn't have posted this, but going with the grain seems like the safer move there.

- as i said earlier, i think the fact that tetrina died pointed to scum in you/ssbm, because i don't think she was the obvious nk there at all, and i think she only dies if scum is worried she'll get a result on them different than what they claimed in thread. no reason to kill her for her reads or her like game presence, so that's the only reason i can think of that she died

i think she was the obvious nk there as the most obvtown player and a power role. :/

- i still feel like the timing of your pirate game with pooky given the game context and the lack of your providing content at that time was scummy

this point frustrates me. sorry for having fun i guess. i am not going to say no next time someone wants to have a good time with me for 5 seconds. instead of being serious all the time.

- your vote on enchant eod1 was p weak, but honestly so was ydra's so i suppose this is a wash

I'd have made it look better if I were scum.

in addition to what ive already posted i feel like generally speaking trying to get ss anyway is kind of a scum action here -- falling back on what we had yesterday. we have new information! use it! im not saying ss can't ever be scum but i can see that as the action of scum confronted with a shrinking lim pool & not sure who is safe to try and add to it

honestly this is just really, really, really bad in retrospect, esp. as you don't seem to have any reason to townread ss here other than the fact that he's a cw to flipped scum. you're like assuming ss is town and then calling others (me) scum for pushing him, when he was actually scum ...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yeah, i wish i hadn't done that. i didn't believe the game was easy. it was in fact easy.

- the one point that is in your favor r.e. ss/enchant is that i think you're supposed to have a good scumgame and i kinda think you'd make yourself look better when voting either, and the vote on enchant was just so meh

i do have a good scumgame. i feel like watching both my partners get run up and basically shrugging at the whole thing is like the scummiest response imaginable and i'd never have done it lmao

this isnt unreasonable i know but at some point i have to take into account superficially scummy behavior over selfmeta or scum can just do whatever they want

also just noting the irony of this

i did say my selfmeta is pretty shit and should probably be disregarded, but i'm still gonna tell you facts.

- the whole argument you had with me r.e. whether or not we should flip ss was just bad, esp. in retrospect, esp. sicne most of your points were strawmen and you kept backing down whenever i took apart your argument and when you tried to scumread me for it (~2808 and onwards)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

- also i never really understood your galron scumread, and with how ss hammered i believe his partner was already involved in that wagon. honestly now that i think abt it i don't really understand the reasoning behidn any of your reads, they just kinda appear and you're stubborn about them but i don't know where they come from and tehy never change

:/

i feel like i explain my reads pretty clearly all the time. i may not declare "i am scumreading you for this post" when i quibble with someone but i feel like it is implied. my galron scumread mostly stemmed from my analysis of how d1 went down, there's a whole series of posts after which i arrived at a few scumreads at start of d2. from then on, yeah, i kinda tunnelled him and cherry picked bad stuff and willfully ignored the good stuff because i suck at this game

- been on every single misflip wagon and staunchly opposed the ss wagon, and was incredibly ambivalent about the enchant wagon

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i didn't play well yes. i tend to be on every wagon that goes through in every game because i'm active and i get criticized for this a lot and it's kind of annoying.

- 3650 in retrospect kinda sounds like you deliberately chose to give guns to people who did not want to kill galron in order to create this narrative that galron is sus for nobody who wanted to kill him getting guns

it does appear that scum may have been two steps ahead of me there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i feel like it's possible to see that i truly believed i had something there, but sure.

i guess you can vote when you're ready. i don't see much point in continuing if you're this sure, and i can't really be mad at you for getting it wrong even though it kinda sucks to lose to someone who did nothing all game because that means there's more stuff on my end to pick apart.

sorry for letting y'all down.

[Cephrir]

i guess i feel bad for shrugging at that argument with you but a) it's you so you probably are gonna come out biased and b) i recognized it was a string of bad posts at the time and that's why i backed down. you did just criticize me for having too stable reads, but my read on you seems like a pretty good counterpoint to that

[Cephrir]

Like I'm fully aware that fence sitting will score me no points regardless of the outcome. I'm just being honest because I'm town.

puke emoji

Infinity's posting is that of early-era panic! at the disco lyrical prowess

what a wonderful caricature of intimacy

you cant just quote the 1 good song off that album

Like I'm fully aware that fence sitting will score me no points regardless of the outcome. I'm just being honest because I'm town.

hum

is there any reason that you're in 'serious mode' so to speak now or is it just the pushing from other people where you're like, getting called scummy but it's more of poe thing than anything else? : ?

i can't help but be annoyed that mostly ignoring both wagons outside of blank votes and posturing is something ydra is somehow about to get away with

[Cephrir]

but like if you don't want to that's fine, i'm still going to check ydra's iso and the vc's

ss' iso might be valuable as well

[Cephrir]

as someone not of the land and instead a siren bound to my small islands basking in the sand i have found the lack of knowledge for the pirates cursing the seas deplorable and thus am in need of a captain

cephrir would you please captain us to a victory

i can offer you what limited info i have of the various nefarious sailors and sea creatures and together we can maneuver to a safe port

you never delivered on this

[Cephrir]

i wonder if these end of day posts about making me a captain and forming a crew with me were originally meant to be a crumb about the FN she was planning to send me and they only later realized that didn't make any sense

[Cephrir]

@_@

enchant posting like that makes my heart say “town” but i am trying to ignore it

presented without comment

[Cephrir]

and i think that one of two of you minimum has to be scum for the game to be like this? like does town go this far off early on somehow

tmi

i know i should stop doing this you're going to iso her anyway

[Cephrir]

VOTE: enchant

the trajectory from 2049 to here sure is something

[Cephrir]

ok i finished with that day i'm gonna go do something else now

[Cephrir]

one last thought about the tetrina kill- an innocent on me/ssbm would have been devastating. so anyone would have killed her.

[Cephrir]

can you just explain *why* your read on ss was so strong exactly?
like why were you townreading, and why that strongly?

partly because i assumed d1 wasn't s/s, but obviously that's not enough on its own.
there was that string of posts i believe i pointed out to you on d2, plus i thought his posts defending dgb d2 when it was clearly him or dgb that day made no sense from scum.

i can take a closer look later but those are the broad strokes that immediately jump to mind.

[Cephrir]

also, i thought the stickiness of literally everyone's ss reads was evidence that he was a designated mislim.

@ above thanks.

[Cephrir]

when you said you were leaning in a direction I had a feeling it was towards me

[Cephrir]

If you mean did I think you would vote right away or think about it for a while, I didnt have any particular idea about that and wasnt thinking about it anyway since I didnt even know who would be alive today

[Cephrir]

Feel like the point about me not being on scum wagons would be more impactful if those wagons were not all on one person.

[Cephrir]

i'm still here.

i might have a little more to say, but im pretty busy tomorrow and if you get impatient, fair enough

[Cephrir]

i adamantly refused to wagon all of my townreads, fwiw. why wouldn't i push my scumreads unless i'm forced to consolidate by a deadline. most of those townreads never came under fire, but i believe i shot down a couple attempts to go for kyouko prior to her selfdestructing

[Cephrir]

anyway, i can try to provide more on my ss townread since what i've said thus far doesn't appear to be satisfying, but it probably won't be in the next 24 hours.

i wonder which misflip you think i shouldn't have been on, considering the first two were solid scumreads for me and kyouko basically claimed scum.

[Cephrir]

DGB was definitely towards the bottom of my scumlist well before it became a viable wagon. Early on I felt it was playing like scum but only didnt try to vote there because of meta.

I felt kyouko's interaction with me immediately before my vote was pretty close to a scum claim.

I will certainly give you that my reads have been dogshit this game.

[Cephrir]

If I had to guess I'd say my reads are probably average. I'm not particularly good at town. I can go get some data later.

[Cephrir]

I know? I didnt mean to say she was

[Cephrir]

I was town reading ssbm hard all game until yesterday I didnt think this was news

[Cephrir]

@ceph

GJ!

I had a feeling you were a baddie when you decided to play battleship with me cuz no way you got my ship that easily you scheming pirate you!

<3

I really did just get lucky at battleship :p

I was scum for many reasons this game but I will maintain battleship was not one of them

[Cephrir]

GG. I had fun.

I decided to defend SS hard because I thought I couldn't win an elo endgame, and because I thought defending my doomed partner very hard was very out of character for my scumgame so I was hoping it would look town if he did go down.

I'd say about half the reasons you had for suspecting me were the right ones (which is pretty good)

[Cephrir]

@ceph

GJ!

I had a feeling you were a baddie when you decided to play battleship with me cuz no way you got my ship that easily you scheming pirate you!

<3

I really did just get lucky at battleship :p

I was scum for many reasons this game but I will maintain battleship was not one of them

I felt like you were having trouble gaining your footing in the game and you deciding to play battleship with me was very scummy but I couldn't scumread you for it cuz that would be highly against Bear Code.

It was your idea I would never have said no to that

I mean yes I was grateful for the distraction, and my avatar change was kind of a cheeky scumclaim to you personally, but I'd have played if I were town too

[Cephrir]

Thanks. I was glad we managed to make it a challenge after house and roden basically hung me out to dry.

[Cephrir]

There was a fun little period where I got to feel like the good guy because I was trying to make sure night 3 actually happened so everyone could have fun shooting each other.

[Cephrir]

Thanks! I dont think shooting you would have helped, so I needed something to go differently a while ago (or for us to not shoot pooky argh)

[Cephrir]

im glad i was able to do your setup proud i really liked it