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[Ythan]

I'm blue and also janky and wack.

[Isis]

i'm gonna attempt a prediction

"1BB Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker without nightbound. It is now night"

[Isis]

rare

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm gonna attempt a prediction

"1BB Instant
Destroy target creature or planeswalker without nightbound. It is now night"

The restriction I think would make it 1B, don't you think? I feel like 1BB is the place for pure removal. Hero's Downfall, and such.

[Ythan]

Without nightbound isn't much of a restriction in an eternal format imo.

[Infinity 324]

didn't they just print 1B destroy a creature lose 2 life

1B destroy a creature needs very little downside

[Lady Lambdadelta]

didn't they just print 1B destroy a creature lose 2 life

1B destroy a creature needs very little downside

yeah but "without nightbound" is a very minor downside and that's the point.

Like

"non artifact creature" in Go For The Throat is what I would compare it to?

[Ythan]

I've seen two life treated as roughly equivalent to one mana in a number of cases. Like those I think Lorwyn/Shadowmoor special casting costs. That was some time ago though.

[Infinity 324]

didn't they just print 1B destroy a creature lose 2 life

1B destroy a creature needs very little downside

yeah but "without nightbound" is a very minor downside and that's the point.

Like

"non artifact creature" in Go For The Throat is what I would compare it to?

yes i was agreeing with you

[Infinity 324]

I've seen two life treated as roughly equivalent to one mana in a number of cases. Like those I think Lorwyn/Shadowmoor special casting costs. That was some time ago though.

sure, go for the throat or heartless act might be a better comparison

[Lady Lambdadelta]

didn't they just print 1B destroy a creature lose 2 life

1B destroy a creature needs very little downside

yeah but "without nightbound" is a very minor downside and that's the point.

Like

"non artifact creature" in Go For The Throat is what I would compare it to?

yes i was agreeing with you

oh I see I misread, oops.

[Isis]

maybe 1B sorcery I'm not necessarily good at this

[Lady Lambdadelta]

maybe 1B sorcery I'm not necessarily good at this

I'm not sure if it's a matter of good or bad, lol?

We're just navel gazing about what might exist and what we think fair prices for cards are. I'm not sure anyone can be "good" at this, or if it matters. I think the card design is cool, at least, so I'm kind of approaching it from a "if I was designing this card, what would I want to do to balance it?"

[chamber]

I've seen two life treated as roughly equivalent to one mana in a number of cases. Like those I think Lorwyn/Shadowmoor special casting costs. That was some time ago though.

new phyrexia, and they are like, all terribly broken.

[Ythan]

I've seen two life treated as roughly equivalent to one mana in a number of cases. Like those I think Lorwyn/Shadowmoor special casting costs. That was some time ago though.

new phyrexia, and they are like, all terribly broken.

Yeah for sure. I remember that one uh, street wraith, being valuable in dredge for that reason. Mana is worth way more than life in a fast game obv.

[Isis]

maybe 1B sorcery I'm not necessarily good at this

I'm not sure if it's a matter of good or bad, lol?

We're just navel gazing about what might exist and what we think fair prices for cards are. I'm not sure anyone can be "good" at this, or if it matters. I think the card design is cool, at least, so I'm kind of approaching it from a "if I was designing this card, what would I want to do to balance it?"

I can be objectively wrong in predicting the WotC design team's future behavior, but you're right that it is way too silly a skill to be caring about.

[Gammagooey]

Any thoughts on the Midnight Hunt archetypes as they're looking so far?

RG werewolves, WG Coven (w/ maybe human synergies), UB Zombies look just straightforwardly good even before most of the commons get released, RU Spells looks neat and I'd want to try it as long as the basic RU common creatures that you need to actually survive don't just get steamrolled by other archetypes (some of those 5ish mana green werewolves are BIIG)

UW looks like they want it to exist but it maybe doesn't? If I opened Teferi or Dennick (Ghost side makes a clue every time a creature card goes into a graveyard) I'd lean towards it. It seems like it'll be tempo-y but I don't see the payoffs so far for going that way aside from rares (and maybe Ominous Roost), but again there's a boatload of commons to still be revealed too tbf. Also I always think UW is slightly boring but if there are enough decent/good fliers in those colors it'll at least partially work.

RW if I open AngelFire Ignition in either of the first two packs I will probably try to force it (or at least splash for it) because that card looks NUTS

and then all of UW/GB/RB all seem like "if you happen to be in both of these colors anyway there's a few extra uncommons/rares you can look for" but nothing really draws me to them (like Rite of Oblivion seems like you can only play it if you're making enough zombie tokens or 1/1 human tokens to justify it, just think about how much better Dire Tactics from Ikoria is than that)

[InflatablePie]

welp time for the occasional set that ropes me back into Magic

I feel like RB, GB, and UR all seem strong, but for limited it really depends on the commons.

lots of pretty solid multicolor uncommons though; if anyone else has been wanting to make a Peasant cube for years like me, here's some decent power coming IMO. Sacred Fire, Hungry for More, Fleshtaker, Faithful Looting, Arcane Infusion, and Join the Dance, among others.

Bladestitched Skaab and Vampire Socialite are also pretty neat for Tribal synergies


we have Delver

and

Thermo-Alchemist in Standard coming so definitely looking at brewing something janky/budget there

Spoiler: there's a new UG Commander that has some neat combos

and then we also have our usual Innistrad creepy art blue cards like Grafted Identity or Curse of Surveillance

at least we don't have Sensory Deprevation at common to constantly see. -shudders-

[Infinity 324]

it's hard to get a handle on archetypes just looking at the cards for me, i'm gonna see what limited level ups has to say. also i plan on drafting a lot cause i have a lot of gold and gems stockpiled so i'll report my experiences

uw seems pretty nice to me so far. like milling over/discarding some of the disturbed cards seems really nice, and they seem like good cards anyway. and devoted grafkeeper seems really really nice.

like Rite of Oblivion seems like you can only play it if you're making enough zombie tokens or 1/1 human tokens to justify it, just think about how much better Dire Tactics from Ikoria is than that

don't really agree. it feels to me like there's gonna be a lot of decayed tokens floating around, also flashback is huge and ikoria was a super powerful set anyway. rite seems super good to me

[Infinity 324]

i really wanna cast and flashback this card in the same turn...

[Ythan]

I think that's the point! Versatile fun looking card.

[Gammagooey]

it's hard to get a handle on archetypes just looking at the cards for me, i'm gonna see what limited level ups has to say. also i plan on drafting a lot cause i have a lot of gold and gems stockpiled so i'll report my experiences

uw seems pretty nice to me so far. like milling over/discarding some of the disturbed cards seems really nice, and they seem like good cards anyway. and devoted grafkeeper seems really really nice.

like Rite of Oblivion seems like you can only play it if you're making enough zombie tokens or 1/1 human tokens to justify it, just think about how much better Dire Tactics from Ikoria is than that

don't really agree. it feels to me like there's gonna be a lot of decayed tokens floating around, also flashback is huge and ikoria was a super powerful set anyway. rite seems super good to me

ehhhhh like maybe it's ok in Sealed? But I feel like Rite will be the 9th-14th pick for a lot of drafts because people drafting UB zombies and WG Coven will take most of the enablers for it instead of them falling to someone drafting WB, Eaten Alive is just a better version of it at common unless/until you can afford to flash it back later (or there's a non-creature artifact/enchantment you desperately need to remove) b/c they're both sorceries. Plus BW looks like it'll be either aggro or midrange instead of Control-y, and there's a decent chance that using Rite removes a creature you need for your white creatures to get Coven bonuses unless you're playing it lategame.

GU good stuff looks better than I thought earlier, do tempo things+draft good cards=win game. RB vamps got a lot of support at common but nothing astounding, it's prob just the typical red black aggro deck where if they stablize above 5-6 life it loses but if they don't have something to decent to play by turn 3 you'll run over them. Morkrut Behemoth and Dreadhound are good finishers if opposing decks are forced to use removal early though.

[Infinity 324]

to me rite is like super good on rate even if you're just saccing 2 drops, also i feel like sac fodder is not in short supply at all. flashback makes it better than eaten alive imo. i think bw is gonna be sac synergies more than coven. we'll see

[Isis]

The secret is to play esper

[Isis]

Mfw the set has no duals at un/common