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[MathBlade]

Hell I am interested in anyone I don’t lock TR at this point.

This day has gone on far too long imho.

Days have good sizes and this is another wagon that’s just stalled with a ton of tiny counters.

This game is getting pretty ugh.

[Nero Cain]

This game is getting pretty ugh.

agree. Who are your "lock towns"?

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 1.19

Dragon of the West (4)

- Titus, Almost50, House, MathBlade

Titus (2)

- ssbm_Kyouko, Nero Cain

MathBlade (1)

- Ythan

Ythan (1)

- Andresvmb

Almost50 (1)

- Wake88

Cat Scratch Fever (1)

- Kerset

House (1)

- Dragon of the West

Andresvmb (1)

- DrippingGoofball

Wake88 (1)

- Cat Scratch Fever

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[Kerset]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

[Kerset]

soo Goof how do you feel about Math so far?

[Kerset]

V/LA until midnight tonight. (Nocturnal RN working ten 12-hour shifts in a row. After 0000 med pass I can hopefully get some time in.)

VOTE: Wake

Upon review, I think I prefer this to DotW. DotW actually gave reads in his catch up, while Wake posts a whole lot of nothing.

Huh

[Dragon of the West]

So now Math and DGB have both said they felt manipulated into SRing Nero by the other.

Hmmmm no

Paraphrasing...

Post #9

in the PT, Math asks me what I think of Nero. Math brought it up Monday around 6PM my time.
At this time THE GAME IS ON

PAGE 3.

To situate: viewtopic.php?p=12993559#p12993559

In the next post, I answer that I find Nero hard to read so I want to give it more time.

Post #11

, Math suggests we should talk more about Nero, and asks what I like, and dislike about Nero's posting. Says that I should try reading Nero even if it's hard. This post comes about 15 minutes after post #9 above.

I answer that it's way too early, and say something about Nero being a chaotic player and I need time to evaluate the type of chaos.

Math then says that Nero's outing of Math's "crumb" was anti-town.

=======================

You be the judge.

I don't know if this is

manipulating

, but it definitely sounds agenda-driven

[Dragon of the West]

I say that eliminating Nero is in fact good for the town.

Math replies that it's not good for the town if we have to bulldoze over the alpha players to do this.

And then Math starts townreading Nero in the game thread.

This sequence is just so off to me if that's how it truly played out. How would one "bulldoze" the alpha players? Convince them that either Nero is scum or to policy lim? It sounds like Math is focused on kowtowing more than actually solving

[Dragon of the West]

Is it pretty clear to most players that Math doesn't townread me in the least?

If you are around, please state whether you agree or disagree with the above statement.

I feel like it's less that he reads you one way or another and more that he talks out of both sides of his mouth about your slot

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't like how you're objecting to my procedure rather than the substance of what I said.

This feels targeted actually. Resumed my reread, waiting on a tire change :/

Targeted, like Titus knows Math would be receptive to the verbiage in this post. "Objecting to my procedure" I mean.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wouldn't put it past CSF and Kyo to town read me for the cred but I highly doubt my wagon is pure.

Oooh bonus points if A50 is scum lol
A50 tell was the same in the power me up game (I think that’s what it was)

Nero A50 Cat? Maaaaybe DGB but doubtful?

I am objecting to this gentleman being on jury on the basis he's shown preemptive bias against the defendant without cause.

This pocket is lovely.

Why do you think this is a pocket?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

With leading questions in the hood, like the leading questions scum!you asked me about town!titus in our last game. I was specifically curious if there was anything like that in the PT, but didnt want to lead DGB there myself in case it is scum, and I don't think from its explanation that it is very likely that you led it there.

But yes, I am paranoid about you having manipulated DGB inside the hood specifically because of our last game.

Interesting. I am flagging this for later.

It's odd because it supposes DGB is lead astray with leading questions when its more fooled by reinforcement.

I wasnt sure how to express the feeling I had the first time I read this, but I've got it now. What bugs me about this is at best it's foolish to assume I would know this about DGB, but at worst is a bad faith attempt to exploit her own knowledge of DGB's meta to paint me in a bad light.

Titus was in the game with Math and I. She saw what Math did and should be able to read my post and think "yeah, that makes sense, Math did just try to manipulate her into scumreading me in our last game together. That's a sign Kyouko is being vigilant for signs that Math may have rolled scum again". Or at least something along those lines.

I dont think a player with the experience Titus has makes the mistake of projecting that hard on to someone, which means this post wasn't an oversight, but was the off-the-cuff kind of post scum!Titus will make. Her first instinct with regards to DGB is it can be manipulated by reinforcement, which tells where her head is at, and imo clears DGB on a scum!Titus flip. I think she's sort of leaked where her head is at wrt DGB and slipped/TMIed that it is town in this game.

[House]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

Nope. No revisions.

I'm on VLA and scrolling wallposts.

I don't see good faith in you for shading me over not spending hours analyzing encyclopedias while I'm on vacation.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma pushed me and refused to fucking budge even when I told him that his reasoning was wrong and pointed out that his reasoning had been proven wrong several times b4. He doesn't get to whine and cry that I didn't believe him.

IDK what's going on with him and if he's going through something then I feel for him and sure maybe his emotions just filtered into the game but just scumreading a guy and not believing that a reaction was genuine isn't toxic.

Btw, Gamma tends to roll over as scum. That's meta but true. See Situation room.

Fwiw I don't like meta but I know some do.

Doesnt like meta, but is aware of how to manipulate specifically DGB? Or she made that up to make me look bad, but more likely she actually knows how to manipulate it, or thinks she does, and used that to say that my concern that DGB was being manipulated by leading questions is worth "flagging for later."

[Almost50]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

Wall posts can only trigger anger in me. I don't know what you see that is supposed to make me think "Oh! This is Town indeed."

[Ythan]

waiting on a tire change :/

NO WAY same

[Almost50]

waiting on a tire change :/

NO WAY same

And that proves once and for all that Ythan & Kyouko are identical twins.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can you two stop fighting? I have a novel to write and DotW and ssbm won't eliminate themselves.

I also dont think this novel ever came - assuming this was a reference to a wallpost case that Titus is cooking up, and she isn't actually writing a book outside of game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

waiting on a tire change :/

NO WAY same

Yeah the storm drains here sometimes have broken bars on them.because they're old. I've straight popped 2 tires in the past 3-4 months just driving a little too close to the side of the road (because oncoming cars) over a storm drain

[Ythan]

I think Titus might actually be a writer if I'm not totally misremembering.

Pedit oof rough. I just procrastinated replacing mine.

[Titus]

Can you two stop fighting? I have a novel to write and DotW and ssbm won't eliminate themselves.

I also dont think this novel ever came - assuming this was a reference to a wallpost case that Titus is cooking up, and she isn't actually writing a book outside of game.

I think Titus might actually be a writer if I'm not totally misremembering.

Pedit oof rough. I just procrastinated replacing mine.

I do write as a hobby. My current project is about a woman who accidentally becomes a prophesized traitor and overthrows a theocrat that's crushing the culture of his nation.

[Titus]

I have to do my brakes and tires too.

[MathBlade]

This game is getting pretty ugh.

agree. Who are your "lock towns"?

Sad to say but I have lock “these combos” so it’s weird. Still more gut which is bad.

[MathBlade]

So why are people still going for dragon? No revisions are being done after wallposts? I don't see good faith in math and house.

I am more just wanting to end the day here.

The time given for a day is a max. With this many posts apathy is a thing that sets in.

We’ve had a lot of failed wagons and need one to just complete so we can compare against the ones that didn’t.

[MathBlade]

I say that eliminating Nero is in fact good for the town.

Math replies that it's not good for the town if we have to bulldoze over the alpha players to do this.

And then Math starts townreading Nero in the game thread.

This sequence is just so off to me if that's how it truly played out. How would one "bulldoze" the alpha players? Convince them that either Nero is scum or to policy lim? It sounds like Math is focused on kowtowing more than actually solving

Bulldozing is my way of saying
“We’re doing this elim” over and over and over
And shutting off discussion elsewhere.

It’s like tunneling but more so.
And I disagree with that representation.
I am more interested in a universal solve than “my way or the highway”

My way or the highway would be elim Kyo I think here and based on what she flips I think she breaks the game open.