Open 828 | The Brethren Coalition | Game Over!

[cyrus62]

So we should think of five people we fully trust to be town and vote them. If we get 5 right we win yay lets see if we can do it.

[cyrus62]

So since the game works this way if we pick one scum it gos till all scum are dead but the plus side is we would know at least. One of the 5 is scum so if you want to vote me so you know if I'm scum or town go for it.

[cyrus62]

Hey I say go ahead and single me out. I have to decied who I think is town as well.

[cyrus62]

So I think pev and enchant could be scum. Or feral and pev or feral and enchant but I won't be voteing these 3 for the 5.

[cyrus62]

We should be trying to decied on whio is in the 5

[cyrus62]

Pev why should people vote for you. Are you trying to advance the game or are you hoping to make the game go pass day5?

[cyrus62]

Coughs ment day1

[cyrus62]

I think if you lot were town you would. Read the rules the hurt is to unvote the 5 not to elemat

[cyrus62]

Deciding who's not in the five will give us the five. I should be in the coalition but I don't expect to be unanimous for it, if I make it at all. I usually tend to get scumread. That's fine though. I don't have to be in it for town to win d1.

The queston is would town win if you were in it?

[cyrus62]

If I was in it I wouldn't be the one stoping town from wining.

[cyrus62]

Town can win with me in it or not . But if I was they would just need 4 more.

[cyrus62]

I will work with you pav let's remove you and I and look for the 5 why is enchant town? Can we trust std?

[cyrus62]

I will work with you pav let's remove you and I and look for the 5 why is enchant town? Can we trust std?

Why would I remove myself?

I find it hard to trust STD but who knows

I'm willing to remove my self.

[cyrus62]

If I was scum why would I do that?

[cyrus62]

I'm asking you to do it as a act of faith.

[cyrus62]

I've played 2 games with StD. In one he was scum, the other is ongoing. I just have a hard time reading him.

Ok so we both agree we don't trust std that leaves 6 out of them who do you distrust the most.

[cyrus62]

Co mod ego have fun y'all~

Fun? This is mafia, we get toxic and condemn innocent villagers!

Enchant, how's it feel to be the most trusted player so far?

HEAL: Farren
HEAL: Enchant

HEAL: enchant

HEAL: STD

My god! You've figured out how to heal STD's?

HURT: Cyrus

This is easy, got one already

Is this post serious?

I'm afraid of commitment, I'm just slinging the hurt around for now

Saying this out loud in the thread is probably slightly towny.

I will work with you pav let's remove you and I and look for the 5 why is enchant town? Can we trust std?

Hard to explain but cyrus's intentions fel pure?

I will work with you pav let's remove you and I and look for the 5 why is enchant town? Can we trust std?

Why would I remove myself?

I find it hard to trust STD but who knows

Why?

out of the 9 which two do you distrust the most.

[cyrus62]

Hey guys, I only know a few people here

Errr I meant ahoy mateys I've only seen some of yous 'round'ere

I think I have my 5 @pav can you remove yesisiree from your 6?

[cyrus62]

But and I can't express this enough I would like you guys to hurt enchant until we can reach a agree ment.

[cyrus62]

4 votes to heal enchant and if we get it wrong we can't win day1

[cyrus62]

UNVOTE: Cyrus but I am not putting you in my coalition yet

I anit even willing to put my self there HEAL: yessir but I am willing to work with you. Who else do you trust.

[cyrus62]

if not for the weird "willing to remove myself from coalition" posturing

Scum want at least one member in the 5 me removing my self as scum would be game throwing. And I'm also willingness to be today's elemation if I am put in the 5 and we don't win now who's willng to put themselves up for elemation if they are locked in and we don't win?

[cyrus62]

I will never comprehend your logic. I just healed myself. Or is that's looked charismatistic?
I don't mind though.

So we should think of five people we fully trust to be town and vote them. If we get 5 right we win yay lets see if we can do it.

People die if they are killed.

Hey I say go ahead and single me out. I have to decied who I think is town as well.

So I think pev and enchant could be scum. Or feral and pev or feral and enchant but I won't be voteing these 3 for the 5.

So basically you decided to not go in coalition.
You also throws me, feral and and pev from this one.
That's 4 people already. So basically you think everyone else is town and coalition locked?
Good luck with that.

If I was scum why would I do that?

Oh well.

Town motivation to remove self:
... Uuuh. I really can't see reason. Give me? Because you basically lowering chances for instant win if you keep self out.

Scum motivation:
Doesh't want to be caught in coalition with partner.

I consider this very bad play. But i believe, mafia don't want to be SO blatant. Either way, stop please.

So I don't see any merit in hurting them at the moment. I think this is more interesting, and hopefully will produce better results than the last time I ran an experiment with Enchant involved.

Thankfully i don't remember that.


Either way, we have two ways how to play it and i am thinking now which is best.
1. Most obvious, try to get all townies in coalition. Already explained. I am a bit sceptical about chances to get 0 mafias on Coalition. Unless we are scumreading gods. I am not.
2. Try to get all potential mafia members in coalition. Sounds counterreversal, but if we get both mafia on coalition, this would be easy game, as we need just simple elim everyone from coalition for win. I am not sure about row chances to get 2 mafias on coalition, but if it's higher than getting 0 mafias, probably we should go for that.

no you're not useing proper logic as town I am willing to keep my self out as a act of good faith why because right now I would think scum was would want either of them in it there is only 7 town 5 day 2 and 3 day 3 if we don't hit scum so scums best actions is to be the 5

[cyrus62]

i trust nathann how about you pavv?

[cyrus62]

HEAL: nathann so now I'm going see if pav. Agrees .

[cyrus62]

@nathann unvote your self to show me I can work with you

[cyrus62]

you don't trust me? :crying:

Give me a reason hurt your self.

[cyrus62]

i'm town so i'm not going to

Prove it give me a reason to have faith in you.

[cyrus62]

@nathann unvote your self to show me I can work with you

I don't maybe see the point, not like I can single-handedly push a Coalition with myself in it through, but sure.

HURT: Nathann

Why did you decide to trust me right after my last post? You can answer this later if you want to hear Pavowski's answer first, but I am curious.

And why do you find that someone hurting themselves is Town!indicative? Or rather, why do you keep asking that people do so?

Scum need 1 person in the 5 to not lose town can win if two town are not in 5 we can still win scum will refuse to hurt them selfs. I started trusted you since you were willing to add pav and me to your 5.

[cyrus62]

Just disagree with this. Scum can absolutely hurt themselves. Scum can even be named to the coalition without voting themselves onto it.

Self-hurting is not a townlock on anybody. And btw saying "self-hurt so I know I can work with you" is giving scum a roadmap to how to play you.

And I'm not sure about Nathann yet.

Showing good faith in pavHURT: nathann at pav who do you trust? HEAL: pav I'm showing good faith in you but I'm still asking you not to vote me till your sure you can.

[cyrus62]

I do not trust enchant or feral. I can't shake a nagging feeling that std isn't town.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: std this is how much I distrust std

[cyrus62]

I do not trust enchant or feral. I can't shake a nagging feeling that std isn't town.

Who the heck is feral?

If that's supposed to be me,

please stop

. Please spell my name correctly.

Farren my bad but my actions are pure.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: std this is how much I distrust std

Is there anything making you distrust him other than him not wanting to hurt himself?

I seen him as scum pav and I both lost heck that was my 1st town lost. He lucked hard core as scum.

[cyrus62]

Oh my god am I real being town read with in 5 pages I think I'm going die from shock. @hakai how do you know my scum range ? How do you know my town range? How can you be so sure I am town. I could just be scum . Willing to work with town to look like I'm town. That said of is my 1st town read.

[cyrus62]

cyrus - you come across to me like you're in wheeling-and-dealing mode. Is that where your head is now?

*putting player hat back on*

Also, cyrus, I didn't see you answer this question.

Willing and dealing . My head for the 1st time is to try to find 5 out of 9 I trust the most. Then out of throse five who I trust the least

[cyrus62]

HEAL: Nathann
HEAL: Hakai

My current coalition: Farren, cyrus62, Pavowski, Nathann, Hakai.

could you vote one of throse five for elemation? This would show which one you distrust the most.

[cyrus62]

So far I got pav and yessir for the 5 and I'm voting std off the island.

[cyrus62]

The order I listed is from most trusted to least trusted in terms of towniness, although you and Pavowski are level-pegging.

It's a long shot to win in one day . Should we place more trust on ssbm or not I think town her would at least give us content. HEAL: farren that makes 3 HEAL: nathann HEAL: hakin hakin is my least trusted out of my scum range

[cyrus62]

Pav farren, nathann, yessir, hakin so we elmanate <--- that way

[cyrus62]

I lock in my 5.

[cyrus62]

Very smart std I vote you so you put me in the five as a bit of frame work . Std thoughts I will part my self in the 5 and when town don't win blame Cyrus.. Page top btw

[cyrus62]

i just think you're town

Even I don't know if I'm town or not how can you be so sure? Joke joke imagine playing a game with out reading the role pm?

[cyrus62]

Does a alt have to reveal it self like if your dw or t3 or emus or fish or non let me know.

[cyrus62]

Emus is ment to be emps. Your not icon are you?

[cyrus62]

there's only one person on site that cares about my meta that i can think of

Tell me who I might let you in my 5 if I like your answer. It can't be t3 since he would be scum reading me for useing logic. He claims town me don't use logic but scum me does.

[cyrus62]

cyrus is out of his scumrange

What is cyrus's scumrange?

He just is tbh

Oh my god am I real being town read with in 5 pages I think I'm going die from shock. @hakai how do you know my scum range ? How do you know my town range? How can you be so sure I am town. I could just be scum . Willing to work with town to look like I'm town. That said of is my 1st town read.

I've played with you a lot.

@Save The Dragons, any other takes?

nope

pav and cyrus are town

and i'm town

so that's 3 from me in my core

Knowing STD's meta these few recent posts are somewhat town indicative.

a lot you say before or after 2020?

[cyrus62]

Save the dragon is sliding off my scum radar if he keeps posting the way he is.

[cyrus62]

So I'm either dead by nk or elemation if the 5 don't work. Ssbm is going be some one to watch. I think std maybe town.

[cyrus62]

it's my use of the classic "them there" in 135 isn't it

No it's you posting in the newbi game you posted like every 12 hours.

[cyrus62]

Truth is I didn't want to be in any ones 5. Since if the 5 fail we will be looking at them more closely.

[cyrus62]

i was playing an LSG that took up most of my time tbh it's not a towntell that i'm posting

Long scum game?

[cyrus62]

See I already know how I would play this as scum. I would try to get my partner town read put in the 5 then hide in the shadows hoping every one elmanateed the 5 .

[cyrus62]

That's why enchant play rubbed me the wrong way.

[cyrus62]

Truth is I didn't want to be in any ones 5. Since if the 5 fail we will be looking at them more closely.

This is the way I'm thinking of it: if I'm in the Coalition, and it fails, then I only have to find scum in a group of four people. If I'm outside the Coalition and it fails, I have to find scum in a group of five people. I'd rather go looking through the four.

Plus, better odds from my POV that the Coalition doesn't fail if there are only four unknown slots in it instead of five.

This makes since I thought my play basically telling people to not vote me and in to the five would prove I was town rather then to fight or ask to be. Plus I'm the hardest to read and most unpredictable.

[cyrus62]

HURT: yessir

[cyrus62]

I just have this naggin thought if we put save the dragon in the 5 it will fail

[cyrus62]

I just have this naggin thought if we put save the dragon in the 5 it will fail

[cyrus62]

Can we all stop being lazy it's save the dragons.

[cyrus62]

buddy lemme offer you a deal

we will stop being lazy if you can put some effort in forming coherent thoughts before posting

Huh you haven't notist most of my that ughts this game has had a lot of logic. I'm aiming for the win on day one . Are you?

[cyrus62]

also hey std, I remember you from another open game

here's hoping you're town cause I'd really not have to spend effort sorting you

This is scum. Don't heal him.

[cyrus62]

cyrus, why is Save The Dragons scum?

Hi ment yessiree I am not sure about save the dragons.

[cyrus62]

Won't heal ebbs only person to ask to be in the five like 3 post why should we trust your town.

[cyrus62]

Ssbm I ment ssbm

[cyrus62]

Won't heal ebbs only person to ask to be in the five like 3 post why should we trust your town.

Because when I'm town it is obvious so I'm a good candidate for the coalition regardless of my.alignment. easy to catch if scum, easy to clear if town.

Scum response. I'm aiming to win day1 not have scum in my 5.

[cyrus62]

Also I'm pondering hakai's comment on Cyrus scumrange. Going to check back to owner's market blitz. It had a similar town-finding mechanic where players elected a market owner as well as voted for an elim on D1.

Scum useing by mata look in owners market I was town . Heck I was even mildly town read till you flip the switch on day2. but like I said I find save the dragon yessiree and sbbm to be scummy. @pav I still willing to work with you can you show me a act of faith and not heal ssbm .

[cyrus62]

If someone does not vote themselves into the coalition in this game it is against the town wincon and serves the scum wincon.

Consider the numbers - there are 9 of us, it is 7-2. Vote yourself into the coalition. There are 3 scenarios:

0 scum: Town wins. Yay!
1-2 scum: from each town player's POV, there is at least 1 scum inside a pool of 4 where town has 3 muslims available. If there is only 1 scum, you get 3 shots to hit scum where eliminating randomly you have a 75% chance of hitting scum in those 3 eliminations (probability is 1 minus the chance of hitting town 3 times in a row, so 1 - (3/4 * 2/3 * 1/2), cancel out the fractions you get 1 - 1/4, or 3/4, or 75%.

And that's the worst case. There's a chance there are 2 scum in the coalition which makes it a 100% chance to hit 1 scum in the first 3 eliminations from a town POV.

Players avoiding the coalition are avoiding the thunderdome and are playing to the scum wincon, which is to send a sacrificial goat to the coalition and have a deepwolf outside to close the game.

The way I see it is scum want to be in the five. Town will not worry so much about them selfs being in it simply becuse they can still win with out them selfs . I'm healing 4 at this point of time becuse save the dragons is in my Poe which stands to state scum are useing him to throw are win on day1 as for my self I hate being town read and I despise being in the core town . It limits my unpredictabley. Your also trying to use my thoughts to make your self sound better. I will now prove how you are copying me.

[cyrus62]

See I already know how I would play this as scum. I would try to get my partner town read put in the 5 then hide in the shadows hoping every one elmanateed the 5 .

This is what I said your really reaching here. Scum would be the 1st to heal them selfs. Town would be more reluctant simplely because they want in the five but need to be town read to get in it. Now you have me hoping my 5 is right.

[cyrus62]

I'm scum this time dul.

[cyrus62]

See I already know how I would play this as scum. I would try to get my partner town read put in the 5 then hide in the shadows hoping every one elmanateed the 5 .

This is what I said your really reaching here. Scum would be the 1st to heal them selfs. Town would be more reluctant simplely because they want in the five but need to be town read to get in it. Now you have me hoping my 5 is right.

Take Nathann out you probably have 4 town there. Big shocker when you already knew who was town though.

Knew? I was asking for players to work with me my town read consistent of people willing to work with me. 5 I'm down to four.

[cyrus62]

Shakes head .@save the dragons did you not see what I said I'm scum this time. I full heartedly belive pav is town despite him not wanting to work with me to help me find town the rest on my list is mostly long shots I may add save the dragon. But I won't add ssbm . I may remove nathann and add my self as well. No one seems to be wanting to show faith. I'm very very ticked off I wanted to be able to win in day 1 so I had barging rights.

[cyrus62]

the best part is when im town i get scum read. but when i am town read no matter how many times i say im scum it doesnt draw any votes.

[cyrus62]

I might remove nathann and add ssbm but if the 5 fail I will death tunnel her.

[cyrus62]

I'm gonna add this too just because I was curious and it might be instructive

# of players naming each player to the coalition (including self votes)

Pav-6
STD-5
Cyrus-5
Farren-4
Hakai-3
Enchant-2
Yessirree-2
Nathann-2
Kyouko-2

I hope I haven't miscounted. If I did, I blame the Sandman. Gonna sleep on this info.

I have 7 on me.intesing. HEAL: save the dragons

[cyrus62]

Maybe the only two not healing me are scum lol Naaa couldn't be that easy. Could it?

[cyrus62]

I'm scared of std that's why I don't cheat in my wife I don't want to catch a std maybe if you spell his name out I will heal him.

[cyrus62]

i sure hope that's not the only reason you don't cheat

I'm making a joke.

[cyrus62]

Tempted to self vote so I have 8 wait that means one of the 7 voting me is indeed scum since I'm town if I remove my self that leaves eight. Going have to look close at these people .

[cyrus62]

I'm gonna add this too just because I was curious and it might be instructive

# of players naming each player to the coalition (including self votes)

Would it be helpful to start including this in a spoiler or something? It wouldn't be any trouble. Or would that be too confusing?

I think so.

[cyrus62]

Enchant and nathann posable distenseing?

[cyrus62]

I hate enchants play comes off as lamest . I said most likely at 7 votes one scum was healing me and one was not. Maybe it's enchant and ssbm . But no one seems to like you @nathann.

[cyrus62]

Haki is most likely t3. Nom would have let it be known who they are. Then again I stated long before I only buy 2 maybe 3 in my 5 as true town.

[cyrus62]

VOTE: enchant if you cant play how town is then you must be anti town so my vote is better on you then save the dragons.

[cyrus62]

Enchant's plan is a mess and I hate it. I mean, why wouldn't we try to win it day 1?

And can we move on from alt discussion please. Hakai is an alt, whatever. Let's respect that and move on.

I agree with pav on this. .

[cyrus62]

Because we not winning D1.

This reads as tmi . Enchant knows who is town and who anit.

[cyrus62]

I think we just need to have one more on hanki to form the 5.

[cyrus62]

Nathann can you hurt me and add hanki to your 5.

[cyrus62]

I think we just need to have one more on hanki to form the 5.

It's not that simple. 5 people have to have the same list of 5 names.

We have a lot of overlap, but we are not at the "one more vote needs to move" phase.

And we have plenty of time.

Odd I didn't think we needed the exact same 5 to win I thought if 5 people got voted by 5 that was a lock.

[cyrus62]

Hmm do I dare town read enchant for that out burst? I haven't seen him get mad as town or scum . Btw I'm going though hell in rl right now so please do not get angry over the game.

[cyrus62]

I am sad. Okay. But I want to have fun.

[cyrus62]

I see so who wants to tell me who I should remove . Right now I have ferren hakin , pave save the dragons and nathann . How should I change this.

[cyrus62]

Ergo, i think D1 win is worthy sacrifice in long run. If you all want to go for D1 Win, i can't stop you. But should understand.
You not gonna win. Sad but true.

Coalitions have succeeded before. Why do you think we can't succeed?

Thanks I was hoping for bragging rights.

[cyrus62]

Nathann can you hurt me and add hanki to your 5.

Nope, he's very close to the bottom of my reads, if not at the very bottom. Convince me he's Town?

It's his play stateing I'm out of my scumrange is puzzling to me. But I think scum wouldn't give up a easy elemation like that.

[cyrus62]

Normally scum use me as lhf I'm always scum read as town and more so as scum. But save by the bell also said I was town to the point I feel uneasy with how easy I'm being town read.

[cyrus62]

It's his play stateing I'm out of my scumrange is puzzling to me. But I think scum wouldn't give up a easy elemation like that.

Are you out of your scumrange?

That depends on what game we are talking about. You see in 2019 my scum range was better before heart ake struck. On my 1st scum game I had found two prs on day one and was town read by everyone playing. So going by that I say my scum range has no limits. But 2021 i been easy to catch as scum so out of my scum range for 2021 yes but maybe I found a way to dip in to my past scumrange.

[cyrus62]

Save the dragons is right I play mafia the same way I live I post what's ever on my mind . But I also try to get town fighting each other so I can be the voice of reason lol.

[cyrus62]

Also, just on the win today / win later argument, my understanding is that after D1 if our coalition fails (contains scum) the game basically becomes mountainous... Town just knows there was >0 scum in the coalition.

So it's not like we can just eliminate the coalition and win if 2 scum were inside. Scum can still night kill and may well kill outside the coalition in that case.

Maybe math disproves me on that but I'm phone posting from work and just wanted to get this out there.

This is town to me.and I agree. All we would know is one or two of the five is scum. Then we would fight over who we think is scum out of the five.

[cyrus62]

It's his play stateing I'm out of my scumrange is puzzling to me. But I think scum wouldn't give up a easy elemation like that.

Are you out of your scumrange?

That depends on what game we are talking about. You see in 2019 my scum range was better before heart ake struck. On my 1st scum game I had found two prs on day one and was town read by everyone playing. So going by that I say my scum range has no limits. But 2021 i been easy to catch as scum so out of my scum range for 2021 yes but maybe I found a way to dip in to my past scumrange.

Going we post this for nathann and ferren.

[cyrus62]

I like to form my Poe by page 15 or later. I think page 25 for this game would be smarter.

[cyrus62]

Please don't that would make it harder.

[cyrus62]

Convice me ssbm is town.

[cyrus62]

Provided we don't win, players outside the coalition are more likely to be NKed by scum so as not to reduce the POE within the coalition - at least until 1 scum is found.

Repetijg what was already said the s just trying to look like your helping.

[cyrus62]

I don't buy ssbm is town I'm a bit less conviced ferren is town.

[cyrus62]

HURT: ferrenHEAL: cyrus there now I feel better about my 5

[cyrus62]

i also might be good with enchant? I don't know if scum pulls that play

Enchant getting mad over not being town read and trying to put scum in the five is not playing to town wincon.

[cyrus62]

Also, just on the win today / win later argument, my understanding is that after D1 if our coalition fails (contains scum) the game basically becomes mountainous... Town just knows there was >0 scum in the coalition.

So it's not like we can just eliminate the coalition and win if 2 scum were inside. Scum can still night kill and may well kill outside the coalition in that case.

Maybe math disproves me on that but I'm phone posting from work and just wanted to get this out there.

@ssbm pav said it if you anit reading and you anit helping you are scum.

[cyrus62]

HEAL: Cyrus

And this is going agesnt what you just said I am the hardest to read most people say I should be vig or just voted off

[cyrus62]

I'm telling you lot I am scum gee how many times do I have to say it.

[cyrus62]

Better more fun game convice me I'm town .

[cyrus62]

I think my Poe is at this point enchant ssbm and yessiree

[cyrus62]

HEAL: Cyrus

And this is going agesnt what you just said I am the hardest to read most people say I should be vig or just voted off

I don't think you're hard to read

Said the one who thought I was town on the big board game war. Or convice people to vote me off in the market.

[cyrus62]

Going be fun watching people use the I'm scum post to vote me later lol.

[cyrus62]

I think nathann has at least tried to help. Even going as far as hurting him self when asked to do so.

[cyrus62]

I would remove yessiree and add nathann.

[cyrus62]

@mod does every one have to have the same 5 for it to work or does it just have to be 5 people being healed by 5?

before I do anything else I want to hear it from mod and FYI if I had to pick 4 to be left out it would be enchant, yessiree ssbm and ferren

[cyrus62]

This just seems so bad.

[cyrus62]

I think enchant may have been right. Wining day one was a fools gambit.

[cyrus62]

I think enchant may have been right. Wining day one was a fools gambit.

Please stop with this crap. There is lots of time left.

since you asked nicely help me iron out my five then. Me pav , save by the bell, nathann and hakin . Who do I keep who do I throw out . Do I keep the two jokers and toss out the rest or toss out the jokers?

[cyrus62]

In post 396, cyrus62 wrote:
I think enchant may have been right. Wining day one was a fools gambit.

I will work with you but it's late I'm out of cigs till tommrow so can you wait . Also did you read all his post.and I'm always the joker/ wild card my other wild card is hakin.

[cyrus62]

@pav I will try to make a town case on nathann tomorrow however this will be my 1st time making a town case I will do what I do for scum cases and give scum points and town points in his post but I think all town always have scum post very mild ones but they are there. It's a way of not drawing the nk. Since scum would aim for town they think they can't get voted off. So this will take a bit and I Wil need my of. But don't worry I use spoilers when doing this cuse I hate wall post.

[cyrus62]

@nathann maybe you can case your self so I don't have to I may make you look scummy..

[cyrus62]

i realy like nathann . i cant real find other towns i have some scum thoughts on who i think could be scum but i wasn't really bothering scum hunting i was town hunting. damn it dont make me scum hunt to. lol joking. i think encant and yessir are scum and we cant go wrong if we dont vote them.

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i neverd promised town casing nathann. i have never town cased and i seldom scum case any way. i go by gut to. if they feel like scum . act like scum and talk like scum. they must be is the way i play. plus i just say random things.

[cyrus62]

pav if you want ssbm in your five but like i said if she gets in the 5 and we fail im death tunneling her.

[cyrus62]

and before you all start hurting me remember i never wanted in.

[cyrus62]

pav if you want ssbm in your five but like i said if she gets in the 5 and we fail im death tunneling her.

I don't really, but I do need to replace yessirree with somebody.

convince me to unvote nathann.
case why he isnt good to vote.

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Not prepared to make that case.

then vote him then i think we match at least.

[cyrus62]

call me sketchy but save the dragon fooled me hard in our game pav. you know whe he beat us. is he kinda acting the same?

[cyrus62]

What if there is two scum in my five?

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I'm just waiting for the coalition to settle in at this point. If we dont win, I'll give the thread a reread once I have info on which group of 5 is guaranteed to have scum. I'll continue to argue against you being in it and maybe try to get myself in but I think that ship has sailed. Maybe the replacement will reenergize me, but that's not what I'm waiting on.

i think im good with my 5. i dont need to get ssbm to agree with me.

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i think im good with my 5.

cyrus, please either give me an actual reason why Hakai is Town or explain to me why my 369 is wrong.

if its who i think it is he is town. okay i think i seen his scum. i just dont get that feeling here. . 5 people we all pick one but what of us pick one each . why am i or pav the better 5 with or with out nathan?

[cyrus62]

pav

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who i dont want in is ssbm and yessir no replace will convice me a man convice agesnt his will . will death tunnel.

[cyrus62]

HURT: pav so dislike this

[cyrus62]

Okay noted so?

Do you think that matters?

Not really. I am going to verify what was said was true then vote.

My votes will move accordingly based on who is the most popular for the coalition.

Whether my predecessor agreed or disagreed with that approach is irrelevant.

I am not looking to insta win I am looking for the scenario most advantageous long term for us.

I find it very unlikely public agreement will happen between 5 people who are town and believe they are town.

I fully expect the coalition to fail but if it wins happy times.

this reads as in tmi. As if you know for a fact you already know your partner is in the 5.

[cyrus62]

At one point I'm pretty sure I was in cyrus's coalition and also he was voting me so

Yea I kinda forgot I was voteing you

[cyrus62]

Chaos makes life fun. I wonder some times when I'm town how do I get my self scum read. I do things I think work. But sometimes it gets me scum read.

[cyrus62]

HURT: All
HEAL: Farren
HEAL: cyrus62
HEAL: Pavowski
HEAL: Nathann
HEAL: ssbm_kyouko

Back to read order. Mathblade's on the border of my Coalition.

this sucks. I do not agree with this 5. I think that five has scum in it,

[cyrus62]

HEAL: pav

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Yes, you've mentioned before wanting to death-tunnel ssbm_kyouko.

My experience with death tunnels ... eh, it's mixed. At least here, I've found that if I'm death-tunneling someone, I'm usually wrong.

Twisting words is a bad thing to do my friend I said go ahead add ssbm but if she's in the five and we fail I will death tunnel her . I stick by what I say when my minds made up.

[cyrus62]

So let's say I take out Kyouko and put in Mathblade. Do you think that coalition passes?

I say 70% chance,

[cyrus62]

Two highest scum reads is ssbm and yessir,

[cyrus62]

Methbkades play comes ass lamest shallow even. Hasn't given us any reason to trust him. And I already scum read yessir

[cyrus62]

Don't get me wrong I think my five only has about 85 maybe 90% chance of passing. Say pav very well could be scum with save the dragons. . Or nathann could be scum and his partner is on the out side or hakin could have me fooled but out of the 9 I trust them the most.

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And what makes me think it will fail 9 votes if I had it it right I should only have 7. If I vote my self 6 if scum are pissed I'm right and I read town right.

[cyrus62]

Don't mind me I just say whatever I'm thinking lol.

[cyrus62]

But you dont want that because I'm in it, right

This is what makes me sketching on save the dragon is stuff like this.

[cyrus62]

Lurking creeps me out.

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I don't like ssbm . So I don't trust ferren as a result. Maybe it's simply how they tried useing my play on hurting your self so I could trust you. I never ment you had to unvote it was me asking for a act of faith. Note I heard my self only after scum heals ne. Since even they knew they couldn't attemp to prove I wasn't town.

[cyrus62]

Ssbm so me why nathann is scum. Besides the he hurt him self thing. I hurt my self heck almost every one did at least five. . So tell me how he is scum. . Maybe you can improve my odds. On wining tell me who I should replace nathann with besides you.

[cyrus62]

math and pav are scum or math thats all i can say if math is playing this way yessir replaced out due to not being able to read or paint me as scum.

[cyrus62]

pav sudden like of math trying to get town read.

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makes me distrust him. im disgusting . i had askd pav to do the same and also hurt my self.

[cyrus62]

Oh my god am I real being town read with in 5 pages I think I'm going die from shock. @hakai how do you know my scum range ? How do you know my town range? How can you be so sure I am town. I could just be scum . Willing to work with town to look like I'm town. That said of is my 1st town read.

Yet no Hakai vote in coalition despite being first town read? Explain.

see the fakeness . if he was looking at the vote count he would see haki is in my 5.

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I do not trust enchant or feral. I can't shake a nagging feeling that std isn't town.

Interesting…you somehow get from here to me and Kyo not in a coalition.

This means you likely have your buddy in there as well which explains the drastic Unvote when I explained the coalition idea. So I am guessing we have a very likely all town off coalition at this point.

i just need 5 town to win not 7 . if i distrust two that means they are in my lower scum read . you and ssbm are in my higer scum read. but pav is climbing.

[cyrus62]

You're hot then you're cold
You're yes then you're no
You're in then you're out
You're up then you're down

You're wrong when it's right
It's black and it's white
We fight, we break up
We kiss, we make up

Still thinking Cyrus + STD

yes cuse we both scum read you whats that called omg i cant belive they think im scum they must be scum.

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so here is my thought. pav knew save was town. by him pushing him there . it looks like he was reading him . pav was healing yessree till i looked like he was scum read. then math comes back throws some post pav town reads him. pav + math maybe. ssbm +math encant + math idk but math is scum .

[cyrus62]

truth is if math is town he . he is bloody awful at it. if he is scum he is good at it and getting him or ssbm in the 5 seems to be his plan then he plans on blameing the others for it failing.

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I'm telling you lot I am scum gee how many times do I have to say it.

I believe you’re scum.

lmao . he just trigger my trap and you guys dont know if he is scum . shakes head you know what i'll do you guys one better if you think him and ssbm are town go for it. but when it fails dont blame me. HURT: all btw i said that to see who would push me for it.

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I'm gonna give Math a chance to finish reading the game and to then give thoughts, but I would be lying if I said I got a good feeling from anything I've read from him (irl) today. Which contrasts the earlier read I had, but hmm... Game hard.

I did finish.

If you don’t like me then don’t put me in the coalition.

I am town then the coalition likely fails and we demonstrate that I am likely town.

I fail to see the problem here.

Cyrus is scum who has not answered my questions several times now.

Then he goes off about a “trap”.

I literally do not care who goes in. I am hoping we win but expecting it to fail long as Cyrus is in it.

You are a flate out lie I said from the get go I don't want in it this is tmi so your partner is in it.

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I called my self scum at least four times already . No one used it. I was plastering it so after the five failed if it did I could see who was optonisic enough to try to push it. I think you are scum.

[cyrus62]

Let's do it this way every one that town reads mb heal him. Then we will talk. Every one who scum reads me or std hurt us . But I can with out a shadow of a doubt tell you . You will lose with mb in it.

[cyrus62]

We're actually starting to look close-ish, here. STD how do you feel about hakai?

How do you feel about Hakai still? Going through your ISO, I see one early "liking where he's going" read, and not much updated stuff. If you're still (at least somewhat) certain in him being Town, mind trying to convince me?

Can someone say who they absolutely want in the coalition please? Only one name allowed no naming yourself.

As of right now, that's probably cyrus for me. Pavowski is a somewhat close second.

I was under the impression that 481 is just, common sense on how this setup should be played, but anyway. Obviously agreed with that plan. Though also agreed that we shouldn't wait for the last possible moment to form the Coalition so that we have time to agree on the yeet afterwards if it fails. Maybe with ~3 days left on the clock?

I think instantly winning is a pipe dream and the more time we have for an elim the better.

I find Math's posting up to this point weird. (Not really Scummy, just weird.) If I recall correctly, about half of all runs of this setup ended up with a winning Coalition. Why such pessimism? Also, I find it kinda odd that you'd rather have more time for a yeet after a failed Coalition than put in some of that extra time

into

trying to get a winning Coalition.

Not sure if it comes from Scum, though. If Math's partner is already deep in the Coalition, then this kind of rushing and keeping himself out of it just makes him looks worse later on. And if his partner isn't in the Coalition, then Math is gamethrowing? Hm. Maybe that's what he wants me to think so we put him into the Coalition, oh the wine.

Bottom of page 21, I'll be back later.

This is a lot of words with nothing really conclusive, I could add this to why Nathann's scum here

The sad part is I have to agree with nathann here with this post. Pav did a 180 after mb joined . So keeping me in the 5 would fail simple becuse pav wasn't town. So they trying to frame it to where I look like scum. But mb done fucked up and triggered my trap.

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Again I scumread you before I read any “trap” post.

You’re welcome to scumread me but at least do so logically. Otherwise it’s spam designed to masquerade as content.

Read my iso. I looked at std and said I'm scum this time dul. Then later on I posted I keep telling you all I am scum. Why did I post them as a trap to scum read any one who pushed me for it or used it to try to make a scum case. You were trying so hard to frame me as scum knowing it would fail why becuse your partner is in it. I said it from the get go I don't want in it. I don't need to be in it to win day 1 I just need to find five town. .

[cyrus62]

HEAL: std nathann hika enchant ferren keeping pav mb myself and ssbm out the isuse is I want std out to to prove we anit scum together but I don't want to heal my biggest scum read.

[cyrus62]

Spoiler:

if not for the weird "willing to remove myself from coalition" posturing

Scum want at least one member in the 5 me removing my self as scum would be game throwing. And I'm also willingness to be today's elemation if I am put in the 5 and we don't win now who's willng to put themselves up for elemation if they are locked in and we don't win?

I'm scum this time dul.

the best part is when im town i get scum read. but when i am town read no matter how many times i say im scum it doesnt draw any votes.

Save the dragons is right I play mafia the same way I live I post what's ever on my mind . But I also try to get town fighting each other so I can be the voice of reason lol.

I'm telling you lot I am scum gee how many times do I have to say it.

Going be fun watching people use the I'm scum post to vote me later lol.

and before you all start hurting me remember i never wanted in.

look close and your see how I set my trap

[cyrus62]

cyrus: why are you concerned with proving that you aren't scum with Save The Dragons?

I'm not so sure more or less for my own peace of mind if I can some how prove save isn't scum then I won't be so worried about him being in my five as for me . If I'm in the five I'm not the reason it fails . But if std and I both anit in it and it fails it proves the mb was throwing Sade to make us lose. I'm getting to the point where I think as long as pav and mb anit in it we will win.

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I'm telling you lot I am scum gee how many times do I have to say it.

I believe you’re scum.

Mb just said they didn't read anything that I put in the spoiler just now. The funny thing is this was in it. Lol so now he's not only twisting my words. Useing what I set up to see who was optonisic enough to try to scum read me for it. But is also going fabricate not tripping the trap by saying he didn't read it . Even though he him self posted it. Btw if your a girl mb sorry for saying he or him.

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If do have an town tell I always tunnel who I think is scum . So yes line in the sand every one unvote me nathann and std . When we lose us three will decied who to vote off 1st enchant can join us if he wants.

[cyrus62]

I do not and will not refer to myself as a girl.

Thought I seen some one say she when referring to you. I hadn't checked your pronoun before posting that. Did not want to offend.

[cyrus62]

I'm telling you lot I am scum gee how many times do I have to say it.

I believe you’re scum.

Mb just said they didn't read anything that I put in the spoiler just now. The funny thing is this was in it. Lol so now he's not only twisting my words. Useing what I set up to see who was optonisic enough to try to scum read me for it. But is also going fabricate not tripping the trap by saying he didn't read it . Even though he him self posted it. Btw if your a girl mb sorry for saying he or him.

Had not AT THAT TIME. Dude grammar.

I am a trans guy. I don’t know where the girl comment came from. That’s like wtf?

so you want us to belive you read 353 didn't read 361 or 212. Before useing 353 to try to frame me as scum.

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Btw if mb isn't scum this will be the last game I play with them. Just bloody awful town play to join and sling mud at people. I neverd wanted in the five, I even got mad when I was put in it. When there was at 8 I knew my five must have scum in it some where,

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If do have an town tell I always tunnel who I think is scum . So yes line in the sand every one unvote me nathann and std . When we lose us three will decied who to vote off 1st enchant can join us if he wants.

Okay, now I'm confused.

im saying some one in my mb five is his partner. And I'm also saying the three of us are likely town . I know I'm town. Idk if std or nathann are . But I have gut town reading on nathann , std still gives me a weird taste. But if we lose and he's not in it. And I anit in it and nathann anit in it . It proves nothing becuse one of the three of us could be working with one of the five but it could be mb or pav. You see just cuse we anit in it doesn't mean we are town. There is no way of provin your town.
But it would prove we anit partners.

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I honestly think mb is useing lamest. Tmi and omg to try to ruin the five and also trying to frame me as scum. Yes I am angry why he sucks as town, I'm scum reading him others are scum reading him . And he just keep useing weak garbage reads to try to look town..

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Any way I'm done with this discussion . I will post a lot less . I'm basically done . I was having fun . And yes mb this isn't my 1st game I always get scum read . But for the 1st time I was being town read . Until you started . Your lame ass garbage play. So yes I thought I was making the right moves as town, so peace out. I won't even make a five. Don't ask me who I think should be in it.

[cyrus62]

HURT: all peace.

[cyrus62]

HEAL: Save The Dragons

Hurt std so if it fails . I can push mb. Better yet put mb in it . Pre edit. I don't want in the five. Gee. Pre edit twice . I don't want in it thank you ferren.

[cyrus62]

MB ,pav ,encant,ssbm ferren. It's sure to fail but the 4 on the outside can push the five willing to bet both scum would be in it. And if not I still win that's a nice compromise.

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See my queston is why does std want me in the five so bad.

[cyrus62]

Why did pav want me to heal std so badly?

[cyrus62]

I can't be bleeding town that badly if a few weak post taken out of context is all it takes for town to scum read me.

[cyrus62]

HEAL: mb,ssbm,pav,encant,ferren

[cyrus62]

I can't be bleeding town that badly if a few weak post taken out of context is all it takes for town to scum read me.

does this mean you think mb is town

no I think he is scum. And unlike my five I think this list has a 109% cance of failing.

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@mb so if I'm the big bad scum who is my partner well. It can't be save or nathann other wise this would be game throwing. So if it can't be std or nathann . Who is it.

[cyrus62]

so who is town scumreading you?

This queston just brighten my mood a little. Maybe town isn't . Maybe it's just scum trying to lie and make me look scummy. So I shouldn't get so upset that's scums job. Thank you save.

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@mb so if I'm the big bad scum who is my partner well. It can't be save or nathann other wise this would be game throwing. So if it can't be std or nathann . Who is it.

Just thought of something . As town playing to my wincon I can't make a list that contains both scum other wise I'm game throwing and not playing to my wincon.

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@mb so if I'm the big bad scum who is my partner well. It can't be save or nathann other wise this would be game throwing. So if it can't be std or nathann . Who is it.

Just thought of something . As town playing to my wincon I can't make a list that contains both scum other wise I'm game throwing and not playing to my wincon.

[cyrus62]

That's 3 just need two more.

[cyrus62]

Save why so upset if you anit in it and it fails . They know we anit partners.

[cyrus62]

So mb looks bad. So now let's decied out of throse five who we think is scum.

[cyrus62]

i want to win by coalition

putting my two top scumreads in a coalition seems dumb

i'm not voting for any coalition that doesn't include me

thats what upset me so much worrying about it. But you seen how fast pav town read mb, at that point we were not going to win on day one. I already know pav and mb are scum together. But when it fails I can vote them off.

[cyrus62]

i want to win by coalition

putting my two top scumreads in a coalition seems dumb

i'm not voting for any coalition that doesn't include me

Who are your top two. Mine are now pav and mb. Then my 2nd highest is encant and ssbm. Ferren I think is town.

[cyrus62]

@mb your worse then a kid , I have gut reads and so far I always hit one scum on day 1. Rather I get them voted off or not doesn't matter my reads are normally right. Any way give me a break okay . Before I try to find reasons why your scum. Other then you stepping in dog crap . Tracking it around and then trying to say you didn't step in it. When every one smells it and sees you tracking it around.

[cyrus62]

That's two votes for me lets see if we can get three more.

[cyrus62]

I was town reading pav until it took only a few . Post out of context for him to town read my biggest scum read.

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@mb your worse then a kid , I have gut reads and so far I always hit one scum on day 1. Rather I get them voted off or not doesn't matter my reads are normally right. Any way give me a break okay . Before I try to find reasons why your scum. Other then you stepping in dog crap . Tracking it around and then trying to say you didn't step in it. When every one smells it and sees you tracking it around.

None of this is a reason and just a personal attack. Then if I flip green you’ll just do “he sucks”.

I have seen this before from scum.

You really don’t want to go down this path.

You really sound like you need a chill pill so you can adequately explain a case/what is bad.

personal attack? What I was talking to std and you Kepth asking questions like a kid. It wasn't nothing bad. And the dog crap remark is you tripped my trap . Tried to use it to push me then denied reading post just after it or before it . Lol ease up. If you had to say if, town normally say when. Not if. When the five fails and std m Nathan and I anit on it you will be siting there with egg on your face, I'm pretty sure two scum is in that five and so is std,

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I was town reading pav until it took only a few . Post out of context for him to town read my biggest scum read.

Okay which posts?

Sell it.

Push Pav.

Let others see what you do if you’re town.

im not in the five you are. I don't have to case you or pav I just have to wait for it to fail.

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We already decied we will elmanateed from the five 1st.

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And if it fails then I do have egg on my face and I adjust my reads of the hood and revisit you.

This isn’t the big “gotcha”.

You’re saying things that make no logical sense and expecting others to follow it.

I am trying desperately to figure out what is Townie about you with the questions I am asking and not seeing anything.

You’re just attacking me with words like “kid” etc, it’s designed to be inflammatory.

What is anit? You’ve said this several times now.

I said kid once wow touchy much. And we all know what ain't is your trying to act innocent your not. I'm trying to rise above you and play nice. Would you prefer the word dude . Also it works this way if the five fail we know one scum is there . Or maybe both std already stated who his top scum reads are you and ssbm I don't see you asking him. But yes you will be the 1st voted off.

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I was town reading pav until it took only a few . Post out of context for him to town read my biggest scum read.

Okay which posts?

Sell it.

Push Pav.

Let others see what you do if you’re town.

im not in the five you are. I don't have to case you or pav I just have to wait for it to fail.

Correct you don’t have to case but it is much better if you’re town if you do.

again read the thread I saldom scum case people . I don't think I have done it but once or twice. In all the time I been here. On this sight I give my thoughts.