Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mandelbrot]

- House

[Toogeloo]

Between their flavor knowledge and your moon logic, it just might get us somewhere.

tictac is tied to TC, so not there.

TC lied about TicTac though. This is no longer credible. You'd have to bank TicTac being town specifically on H1/H2's flip, which also makes no sense since neither of TC or TicTac's characters are tied together, so whatever H1/H2 is shouldn't be able to mechanically sort the both of them.

Who said there's 5 scum?

I know you are trying to possibly hit mastina with this, but I specifically stated that a single ball game might have exactly 5 scum and 16 town. I've seen a few 21 player games with that spread including something recently in signups. There also just happens to be exactly 4 main Garleans and 1 main Ascian antagonist in 2.0's story.

So are there multiple town factions too?

I think we're being too literal in attempting to solve setup. By the story standards of FFXIV, there are 3 town factions (Gridania, Limsa Lominsa, and Ul'dah) as well as neutral benefactors in the Scions of the Seventh Dawn (which is where I would say the predominant amounts of our PRs are located). Hostile Factions include Garleans, Ascians, and Beastmen, though I think in this particular game the Beastmen are trimmed out as we battle their Primal Dieties in these daily raids.

I know I'm town so if it means anything, I'm a cute weird pointed ear girl named Momodi

Adventurer Guild representative of Ul'Dah. She has a decent amount of screen time in the story since you deal primarily with her early on to get your work requests and progress the story. She makes a few appearances later in the story as well, at a more minor role. I would absolutely bet my life in this game that at least one or more of the three Adventurer Guild representatives are in this game (Momodi, Baderon, and Miounne), however their role in the story is the exact same, just copy/pasta depending on the player's starting city choice. If it's a fake claim, it is far better than Gegeruju.

Yeah, I know Gif likes to troll, which is why I didn't immediately exclude the possibility of 2 doctors.

It should have been a red flag to have two doctors and a inventor giving out Commuters every night though.

[Toogeloo]

Hard Town:

Titus, Sakura Hana, Romance

Strong Town:

mastina, Qrow and Raven, Mandelbrot

Soft Town:

Elsa Jay, Whemestar, dwlee99

On the Bubble / My PoE:

Bell, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, RealCheeks, Save The Dragons, tictac

My reads list as of right now. Soft Town is either by play (dwlee), or because of Cakez pushes on them on Day 1 (Elsa, Wheme). I want to believe Elsa's claim as well, and so I am less inclined to eliminate that slot today. My preferable lims are the on the bottom line, though I am willing to wait on tictac and TC today.

[Mandelbrot]

Hard Town:

Titus, Sakura Hana, Romance

Strong Town:

mastina, Qrow and Raven, Mandelbrot

Soft Town:

Elsa Jay, Whemestar, dwlee99

On the Bubble / My PoE:

Bell, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, RealCheeks, Save The Dragons, tictac

My reads list as of right now. Soft Town is either by play (dwlee), or because of Cakez pushes on them on Day 1 (Elsa, Wheme). I want to believe Elsa's claim as well, and so I am less inclined to eliminate that slot today. My preferable lims are the on the bottom line, though I am willing to wait on tictac and TC today.

Could be a tad improved, but overall solid reads.

- House

[RealCheeks]

It came to me while I was doing dishes that Bell is the most likely scum on the raid, as scum need to be townread to influence raids and Bell would have felt pretty darn safe with us, Elsa, tictac, dwlee to push the fail button.
I don't doubt the prophetic power of dish soap.
~C

[WhemeStar]

My reads are pretty similar to most people so that’s nice

Not getting Romances or Mastinas townread on TC I thought the slot has been scum.

Elsa and cheeks are both viable votes for me

I don’t think I’ll be voting Bell it’s a good sheep read me thinks.

[RealCheeks]

Toog why have we moved down into your PoE group and Elsa has moved up?
~C

[WhemeStar]

Trying to stay caught up in this game but going to bed at 10 am and not having a day off work is rough. This is the least I can do but at least it’s something.

Trying to answer questions I see towards me and keep most of my thoughts to myself but I miss stuff a lot


ANY QUESTIONS LEMME KNOW ILL BE A OPEN BOOK

[RealCheeks]

My reads are pretty similar to most people so that’s nice

Not getting Romances or Mastinas townread on TC I thought the slot has been scum.

Elsa and cheeks are both viable votes for me

I don’t think I’ll be voting Bell it’s a good sheep read me thinks.

Colour me unsurprised.
~C

[Dwlee99]

It's technically tomorrow now ig

I'm not getting off the raid sorry not sorry

[WhemeStar]

I can try to elaborate if youd like!

[mastina]

thought you were making a reference to that quote.

Oh, I was! I'm a big fan of Jedi Truths for playing mafia.

Why do i feel like you say this every game

Because I have god-tiered RNG as town and game mods genuinely give me roles where I can be conftown in like 90% of my games.

Legitimately, genuinely. It's just RNG. I seem to get these roles literally every single game. I don't know WHY, it's just luck of the draw.

(For instance, there was a time when I legitimately had like 10 mason-like roles IN A ROW.)

Change of plans. Sakura on Massy.

No, protectives should NOT be on me. Aside from me being on a raid that gives BP, I don't want to be protected at all this game.

Also why cant TC be a Ninja janitor that needs to kill to Janitor?

Oh I dunno...

This is basically me saying that TC going nowhere doesnt confirm him as anything other than VT or Scum

I mean, ninjas vs. trackers are an interaction mafiascum as a whole tends to strongly lean against.

Ninjas that are another scum role on top of being ninja are also something mafiascum tends to strongly lean against.

Ninjas that are another scum role on top of being ninja, versus a tracker? Combining both taboos into one?

It IS GIF, so you're right--he's a mod who could create a role that strong.

Doesn't change that suggesting it with zero evidence to support its existence is a violation of Occam's Razor.

What we know is that there was a scum janitor.
What we know is that there was a scum roleblocker.
What we know is that Titus tracked Tomorrow Corporation going nowhere.
What that suggests is that Tomorrow Corporation is not a scum roleblocker or a scum janitor or any scum role that had a visiting action.
What that then suggests is that the tracker result is a soft-

innocent

.

It is explicitly not a HARD-innocent. Because of the possibility of being a scum role with no visiting, or a ninja. But those possibilities are precisely that: just

possibilities

. Not probabilities. Because the balance of probability dictates that the simplest, most likely explanation, is that the innocent result from being tracked nowhere is precisely that; an innocent result.

It's enough to warrant giving me a day to bypass the janitor and potentially elevate soft-conftown to hard-conftown.

[Bell]

It came to me while I was doing dishes that Bell is the most likely scum on the raid, as scum need to be townread to influence raids and Bell would have felt pretty darn safe with us, Elsa, tictac, dwlee to push the fail button.
I don't doubt the prophetic power of dish soap.
~C

I'm struggling to keep a straight face at this particular thought process.

[WhemeStar]

This new iOS thing with iPhone 13 with the search/website bar being at the bottom of the iPhone is so dumb

[Bell]

Pretty sure you can change that.

[WhemeStar]

That would be amazing I’ll google it

[WhemeStar]

Oh my god this is so much better thank you bell

[mastina]

tictac is tied to TC, so not there.

TC lied about TicTac though. This is no longer credible. You'd have to bank TicTac being town specifically on H1/H2's flip, which also makes no sense since neither of TC or TicTac's characters are tied together, so whatever H1/H2 is shouldn't be able to mechanically sort the both of them.

H1H2 specifically claimed both of tictac and TC as town--not just one of them. There's been people saying their THEORIES about how H1H2 misunderstood, how H1H2 was misinterpreting, how H1H2 was mistaken, how H1H2 was wrong, etc.

But every single one of those is just a theory to justify going against what H1H2 said and what the scum did.
The scum janitored H1H2 to deny the town access to that info.
H1H2 said they had potential innocents on both tictac and TC.
It's possible H1H2 were mistaken, misunderstood, misinterpreted, sure--but saying that is just a theory, a hypothesis. It is not fact.

What IS fact is:
H1H2 claimed innocents on tictac and TC.
H1H2 was janitored by scum.
I have a method to bypass that janitor--meaning the information H1H2 had which scum attempted to deny to us, I can obtain.

Meaning it doesn't matter what theory you have--on D4 we will have answers, so there won't be a need for theorizing.

If the answers support the theories, that's great, the theories no longer are theories and become fact. But you should still be willing to give TC a day phase so that I can """investigate""" (it's not an investigation to be clear) the situation.

[Bell]

I wanna go back to mystic bears defense of themselves that they totally have forgotten their scum partner's role before and so it wasn't a town slip.
and also even if it was, they hadn't done it recently(?)

[RealCheeks]

I can try to elaborate if youd like!

Yes please.
~C

[Toogeloo]

Toog why have we moved down into your PoE group and Elsa has moved up?
~C

Pretty much just PoE at this point. My reads have changed quite a bit since Day 1.

I'm inclined to give Elsa a soft town read due to Cakez putting up several offensives to get Elsa eliminated on Day 1. Bussing might be possible, sure, but I'm wagering this slot as more likely town than scum. Plus, I liked their claim.

Sadly, you fall in the PoE because of Raid shenanigans and not having as large of a town footprint after day 1.

[Mystic Bears]

Yeesh I missed an entire day phase apparently.

Guess I'm annoying Nora for reads again >.<

I miss anything important in the mean time?

-A still slightly manic Flea

[Mandelbrot]

Yeesh I missed an entire day phase apparently.

Guess I'm annoying Nora for reads again >.<

I miss anything important in the mean time?

-A still slightly manic Flea

Yes.

- House

[tictac]

Tictac get off the raid.

UNVOTE: Raid

I've flipped on Sakura

#thingsthatdontmattertoday

Lets yeet Elsa

[Mandelbrot]

I've flipped on Sakura

Lol?

You've flipped on the un-cc'ed protective claim?

That post should have contained a vote if you wanted me to believe you.

- House