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[Nero Cain]

My problem with Titus is that she was pushing that CSF and Ythan were scum yesterday. Yet was arguing that this wasn't a /5 setup. If we have 7 pr claims and you think that exactly 2 prs are scum what does that give you? A 5/5 split. She's contradicting herself here.

I think they should both check him that way no way can argue they were blocked or some shit.

We aren't wasting invests.

calls an invest on her scum read a waste. An invest on your scum read is never a waste. Now, if she knew/believed that CSF would flip scum and she'd be useless/her claim then saying that "no he'd be the last scum and it would be a waste b/c I'd have no power." but that was poorly communicated.

HATED 4317 first in 4264 she says that her check would be more useful on someone that isn't her next scumread. Someone (House, most likely) will argue that Titus didn't have a useful check after CSF flips but it's the principle behind it. But then the reply

CSF is a wasted check when we should lim CSF.

I'd rather catch the hard to get scum.

My post had

NOTHING

to do with checking CSF. Its word salad.

Oh :/ Derp

Who was your TA check Titus?

Ythan.

Also I low-key felt like this is just scum blatantly admitting to visiting the dead guy.

Yeah, I targeted the guy that was night killed but I didn't kill him. SCOUTS HONOR!

[Nero Cain]

I mean maybe DOTW is the scum so hopefully he just flips red and this can all be over but if not I think ^ needs to die

[Kerset]

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

Not a fan. I'd deadline hammer but not a preference.

Kerset flashwagon anyone?

VOTE: Kerset

Eh, that's probably town. Or at least tick-free.

Those two has to be town. When CSF tried to distract people from wake wagon, they blocked it.

[Kerset]

Dragon wagon got so much support, because he is inactive and doesn't defend himself. He is lackluster rather then evil.

[Dwlee99]

Vote Count 3.04

Dragon of the West (4)

- Titus, House, DrippingGoofball, ssbm_Kyouko

Kerset (2)

- Almost50, MathBlade

MathBlade (1)

- Andresvmb

Titus (1)

- Nero Cain

Not voting (2)

: Dragon of the West, Kerset

It takes

6

votes to eliminate.

Mod Notes:

Dragon of the West is VLA through the 5th of October.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-12 08:11:31)

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I dunno who is scum, but it ain't DotW

[DrippingGoofball]

UNVOTE:

I dunno who is scum, but it ain't DotW

Why

You can't just say that.

[Titus]

you guys do realize that if im right and its a /5 setup then all Titus' plan does is kill confirmed town

Let's suppose you die because we're wrong about DotW.
Whoever Math jailed cannot be scum.
One conftown dies, another is made.

Scum then face this dilemma again.
Scum make their gamestate worse if they kill anyone but Math.

[Almost50]

You can't just say that.

I just did!

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

I dunno who is scum, but it ain't DotW

Why

You can't just say that.

He did about CSF too but was right on Wake. He might be right here. I doubt it but it's possible.

@Nero, I'm not certain this is a 5/5 or not. I don't know. That doesn't mean I am arguing one way or another.

[Titus]

Dragon wagon got so much support, because he is inactive and doesn't defend himself. He is lackluster rather then evil.

If we weren't looking for solo scum, then this would make sense.

[Almost50]

you guys do realize that if im right and its a /5 setup then all Titus' plan does is kill confirmed town

Let's suppose you die because we're wrong about DotW.
Whoever Math jailed cannot be scum.
One conftown dies, another is made.

Scum then face this dilemma again.
Scum make their gamestate worse if they kill anyone but Math.

FGS!

NOBODY IS CONFIRMED BY MATH JAILING THEM ALONE. NOT EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS VT IS GUARANTEED TO BE VANILLA.

Only if ONE SCUM is left, and THAT SCUM IS A GOON does this become the case. Just because it's "likely so" doesn't mean "it

must

be so"

Like, I am not confirmed "because I was jailed last night". I am confirmed because I was jailed TWICE and there was a missing kill on N1 and a kill occurred on N2. No kill on N1 means I was either protected or I tried to kill AS A GOON. A kill occurring last night proves I could not have been "a goon who tried to kill on N1" because then I would have still been blocked on N2.

[Titus]

@A50 - Occam's Razor.

[Almost50]

Occam's Razor doesn't cut it for me when we have a BP Scum flipped with no Town killing role. One of the reviewers in "ChaosOmega", and while I dunno them I suspect the name says it all.

[Titus]

We have a rolecop who wouldn't listen to anybody, two roles with strongmen to the VT, and a setup that suggests (but isn't automatic) that one of the PRs is lying/scum.

Alien lizard men could rule our government. It's not likely true.

[Almost50]

Alien lizard men could rule our government. It's not likely true.

But it is!! (Isn't it?)

[MathBlade]

It's confirmed enough. Yes my theory four scum could be correct. However it's more probable given the PR claims there's three scum. It's more probably scum don't have another PR. Therefore VTs likely have the last scum.

VOTE: Andres (I think my vote was there if not it is now)

I think we should do this.

[Dragon of the West]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

With an ascetic flip, A50 was 100% the N1 target because of the watcher soft thing. Watcher is one of the very few roles that could catch an ascetic NK

[House]

Alien lizard men could rule our government. It's not likely true.

Of course it's not true.

They're not REALLY lizards. They just

look

reptilian.

[House]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

With an ascetic flip, A50 was 100% the N1 target because of the watcher soft thing. Watcher is one of the very few roles that could catch an ascetic NK

Makes sense.

[Titus]

Why is it that ppl are acting like a50 makes 0 sense as the n1 kill? to me, that's just the simplest solution and explains the no kill. So kinda makes Math's role look real? ofc, there's the tin foil that Math no killed so he looks real but he's in the POE anyways so eh...

With an ascetic flip, A50 was 100% the N1 target because of the watcher soft thing. Watcher is one of the very few roles that could catch an ascetic NK

Makes sense.

That and A50 cannot be a goon one night and not a goon later.

[MathBlade]

Prod dodge chores and game night

Game got hella quiet y’all.

[House]

I mean, DotW is the only PR claim that I wanna scumread (and I do wanna scumread him), but... I just don't.

VOTE: Andresvmb

[ssbm_Kyouko]

SSBM, why does Houses role being compulsive make Titus' role town?

He cant avoid creating further false guilties for the TA because of his Neighborizer

he can? The way I'm reading it is that he has 3 shots that he has to use the first 3 nights. but you are making it sound like he can use those shots over and over again.

I dont mean to make it sound that way. What I meant by further false guilties is that we already have Neighbors and a Mailman. Neighborizer is further ways for TA to get "can communicate", and House has to use it eventually.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE: I'll probably end up sheeping toDay