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[cyrus62]

like i think i already messed up posting i think me hiding this game would have been best.

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Like I know I'm guilty of skimming Cyrus's posts but how did NO ONE at least ask about this?

Cyrus what is this post

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I was ignoring it as a PR softclaim, tbh.

It does look like something that one would say in the scum werk room.

If it was anyone besides Cyrus I'd be more inclined to give space for it being a PR soft.... But it's Cyrus and reads like a PT!slip

Your going feel real stupid if you keep going down this path. @town can you assure me that once I claim due to west pursuing this path that we vote off west since it will hurt town once I do so.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i thought you didnt want to vote loft. and owl dose not feel scum like to me. my idea was not so much to lead to scum but to try to understand if there is a cult or not and if so who it is. cult should always be d1 vote.

Eh. Cult is the single person who is the greatest threat to the traditional scumteams, and won't be intentionally protected by doctors of any faction. Any groupscum worth their salt will kill an obvious cult leader N1 and it's reasonably likely we have at least one RB (as a whole, not even among the town aligned players). If someone is obviously cult, we don't really need to deal with them on D1 as town because they are a bigger threat to groupscum than the townies are.

Compound that with the fact that I don't actually think Loft is a cult leader (but rather was lolcatting) and I didn't want to eliminate them first thing. Given the fact that jester isn't game ending, I'm actually okay with votes on Loft.

Why do you townlean Owl?

I thought you were intentionally dumb telling to trick scum into shooting a non-game-ending jester tbh, didn't think you actually thought jester was game-ending.

But yeah, any jester, especially one that rolled jester off a 19 (indicating a cult exists) should claim before end of day so we can just lim you. Town should control enough votes D1 that scum cant grief your win by not voting you.

[Cook]

cyrus62 (2): Dwlee99, Dragon of the West

Dragon of the West (1): StrangeMatter
StrangeMatter (1): Quiet Owl
Quiet Owl (1): Bingle
Dwlee99 (1): cyrus62
RegRider (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Enchant (1): RegRider

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to reach a decision.
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[cyrus62]

So help me aim at scum btw what is scum minus the s asking for a friend?

[Loftwing]

Scum without the S is just a team of roleblockers.

[Bingle]

I wasnt asking to gauge whether you'd react the same way, just didn't think there was any guaranteed way to do it and was curious what you'd come up with. Doesnt sound like anything setup-breaking though, so my guess is its something similar to follow the cop which is risky to go forward with as it gets the investigative killed in the event there is no protective for them. Also in multiball any doctors should only be able to prevent one kill and it would be easy for a cop of any kind to get piled if they out as being an alignment cop without specifying which faction they can identify.

It looks like I'm not going to get my desired reaction, so I'm just going to go ahead and explain the strat. My desired reaction was in fact pushback against using the strategy on the basis of it being unfun, as scum would be unlikely to want to be seen as being antitown in order to preserve the fun of the game.

The way dice tags work, there's a static string of numbers generated that gives a permanent value to the tags. That way, if you quote the tags it gives a static response instead of rerolling the dice.

For example:

Original Roll String: 1d8 (STATIC)

1 8-Sided Dice: (7) = 7

Code: Select all

[dice]1d8 0101010101[/dice]

Will always give a value of 7.

If we forced everyone to claim their alignment roll and then provide a 10 digit code that resulted in that roll, it would take any normal scum player longer to fabricate the roll than it would take a town player to hunt down the static string from their actual roll.

This would not confirm anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, and in the case of people like me who know the way the dice tags work it would be trivial to set up a fake roll ahead of time. Paraphrasing the 10 digit code in a way that didn't use cryptography would be trivial. Additionally, it would not be OGI as it's simply applying a knowledge of the way the forum works.

Angleshooty as fuck? Yes. Ethically bankrupt? Yes. But actually against the rules? No.

Of course, giving all of this information at the beginning of the process makes the strategy worse than useless, because scum would know exactly how to provide a false positive result and PMing yourself a bunch of dice rolls to make sure you have a town result to use would take almost no time at all. But I never really wanted to generate townreads this way in the first place, just see how people responded to the idea that I could.

(For proof of concept that I would not actually use a strategy like this as town (and thus, as scum looking for towncred), see the Lovers and Losers game in my topics that I caused to get rerolled when a similar oversight gave AI information and I pointed it out.)

[Bingle]

I thought you were intentionally dumb telling to trick scum into shooting a non-game-ending jester tbh, didn't think you actually thought jester was game-ending.

Considered not bringing up cyrus's pointing out that jester wasn't game ending for that reason, actually, but decided that it was unlikely to pay off.

[Loftwing]

I think that would be classified under Mod Communication.

[Bingle]

Paraphrasing the 10 digit code in a way that didn't use cryptography would be trivial.

It would most certainly be against the spirit of the rules, and that was explicit from the word go, but neither quoting nor cryptography would have been necessary.

Regardless, it's a dead end at this point, because in explaining it I also told scum exactly how to play around it so it's a moo point regardless.

[Loftwing]

I still think you aren't a fun player to play with, and that would've probably gotten you blacklisted by most players here.

[Bingle]

Okay. You're more than welcome to avoid playing with me in the future, it won't hurt my feelings. Also, whether I would be blacklisted by players for using a strategy I never actually intended to use is a pretty ridiculous talking point.

[Bingle]

The scum motive to lie is to see how coordinated the town could get if prodded just right

wat?

Also, please explain your meaning here, instead of dodging the question.

[Loftwing]

It is still a little confusing to me that you went through the work of finding a breaking strategy, instead of literally just lying.

[Loftwing]

The scum motive to lie is to see how coordinated the town could get if prodded just right

wat?

Also, please explain your meaning here, instead of dodging the question.

Thanks for bringing this back up, no longer confused as to why you didn't lie.

What are you confused about here?

[Bingle]

I literally pointed out the game break in one of your marathon designs despite not being able to commit to playing the game in the hopes that the game would be better.

Like, 70% of my site presence is balancing and modding games. You should be 0% surprised that I would try to find breaking strategies, because I am a mechanically oriented player who is particularly good at, wait for it, breaking setups.

[Loftwing]

Yeah yeah, I get that, but what were you confused about?

[Bingle]

"see how coordinated the town could get if prodded just right"

What does this mean and why is it proscum for it to be a known value?

Like, are you saying that scum would fake a breaking strategy in order to see if they could convince town to claim their alignment rolls? Because that seems like the epitome of useless information.

[Loftwing]

Well, if you could get the town coordinated on your side, you could be god.

[cyrus62]

page 10 is becoming garbage . could we just think of a way to find cult.

[cyrus62]

Makes note to town skip page ten I think loft and bingel are working together .

[Bingle]

I propose we find scum by interacting with people and forming reads. You know, like in all of the mafia games.

Why do you think me and loft here is scum theater?

[Bingle]

Well, if you could get the town coordinated on your side, you could be god.

So your argument was that I had theoretically been faking a breaking strategy in the hopes that it would make me an obvious town leader in a likely multiball setup where I would then be susceptible to being shot and was going to ride the cred from a breaking strategy that didn't exist and never would have appeared to endgame. I definitely believe.

[Loftwing]

Cyrus, who do you think is most likely to be cult?

[Loftwing]

Well, if you could get the town coordinated on your side, you could be god.

So your argument was that I had theoretically been faking a breaking strategy in the hopes that it would make me an obvious town leader in a likely multiball setup where I would then be susceptible to being shot and was going to ride the cred from a breaking strategy that didn't exist and never would have appeared to endgame. I definitely believe.

...No?

You would be testing the waters at this stage, not doing a full fledged cannonball.

[cyrus62]

Cyrus, who do you think is most likely to be cult?

If I knew that I wouldn't be worried about, my thoughts on people who's posted . Dw null dotw scum or some kind of non town role . Std most town points so far . Strange fell off the map. Bingel could be cult. . Loft some town role where he draws the nk. Ssbm null slight scum lean due to not posting. Or doing much . The rest are null due to lack of content. I'm not sure if I'm looking for 2.4.5 or less I'm up for mass claim d3 but we need a way to know who we trust. Maybe . Maybe we should all heal some one we all trust and see if they have a plain to hunt scum .