Open 832: Nightless Exploder Pandemonium III - Game Over

[schadd_]

maybe a50 looks town

[schadd_]

i have no idea why i was nominated for paragon

i am really not very good at finding scum

ok wig

[Pavowski]

i dunno how much harder cows can scumtell for you guys

it is p funny

I keep thinking about whether scum tunnels like this, and I just don't think they do. Like Pooky could be wrong about Cows but why is scum!Pooky so determined to make this case? I don't see it

schadd: see 16 (breadcrumb)

im town

I had forgotten this game-changing information

But I generally agree with 646 so maybe I need to townread Schadd a little harder than I have been

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I mean, one of the vanity voters is voting their scum buddy for distancing, so yeah .. cows looks bad too.

im voting my scumbuddy for BUSSING'S SAKE, sire

i don't like falling for conspiracy if there's alternatives
i know sometimes there's gamestates where you have to take leaps like that but i sincerely think this isn't one
"what if numberq placed 21 and 93 in our heads to explicitly show us that they aren't part of a scumteam" is one that i would bet the game on not being true. to the point where i'd call the read conditional with just that
(which, idk why that statement pings schadd unless that was the only thing i used to read NQ with there was no intention of reading them further which right now is *not* the case)
so like

Spoiler:

i was gonna compare it w pookywagon but i am genuinely terrible at reading emotions. they just sorta blend together in my head
which brings me to

playing frustrated town is i think significantly harder than most people think and i feel that this would be more obvious

why do you feel that this would be more obvious?

[numberQ]

Honestly I'm getting pretty fatigued, and really feeling that D1 should just end already, but I'm also really not feeling that either of the two wagons are scum. Someone tell me who to sheep

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

[innocentvillager]

anyone townreading this?

[innocentvillager]

Honestly I'm getting pretty fatigued, and really feeling that D1 should just end already, but I'm also really not feeling that either of the two wagons are scum. Someone tell me who to sheep

don't think numberQ says this as scum with either player with how uncertain the fate of their partner is

[innocentvillager]

regarding 598 / 599: i dont think anything i said is bulletproof or even all that convincing, kind of why i wanted other people to react. in particular the main anchor for me voting cows is that pooky was nominated for paragon this year which i errantly remembered at some point around when i was like doing the whole questioning situation. i think calling it "slightly pingy" is reasonable

ok

thanks for the responses, i enjoy your posts for some reason they're fun to read. in your partners post seems like your pool of partners is like

t3 me a50 numberQ charl Strange

im not scum i really don't care this much about playing scum you can ask anyone who knows me it's sad, ive literally been on a 3 game scum streak and was praying for town. like i am way past scumrange at this point/what i would actually do as scum; i wouldn't want to be here/it's super easy for me to feign boredom in this environment, say a couple of townish looking things every now and then and dip.

idk i think a50 is just town, if he can fake this whole charade as scum power to him i don't see it, seems like you're potentially seeing it too.

i don't really think numberQ is partner even just based on above reaction although i don't feel super strongly about that

i think it's like exactly T3, Charl, Strange

the other people were Pooky (never a partner) and Pav (who literally ranted about people not putting cows at E1) so those are kinda just out

and the fact that so many people just don't make sense as partners while cows isn't scummy like idk man im not really feeling this as the optimal d1 elim

[numberQ]

I like charle for town just based on his posting. Is it just POE that puts him in your scum team?

[innocentvillager]

on a dayplay level i still kinda feel like the fact that cows has not changed strategy or tone like this whole game feels p town indicative to me in the sense that they are not like trying to towntell/trying things to survive ?

also the pooky sheer confidence in cows is just BAFFLING to me but i don't think im going to get any more out of him at this point. idk tbh im kind of conflicted on pooky and i will compromise back there sure but part of me does feel that at least his behavior could be consistent with what town him does idk.

im more interested in strange feels like that slot has literally just been coasting and using "uselessness" as an excuse to not engage in controversy

[innocentvillager]

meh i don't think my analysis here is very solid i can see how from an external perspective it may look super subjective and handwavy and that's fine idk i wish i knew what scumtells are actually real lool.

pedit:

scum!charl is detached from this game unlike the previous game because deepwolfing is hard and he doesn't feel the need to deepwolf for whatever reason, presumably because his teammates are doing fine/partners aren't in danger of the d1 elim. also im a little queasy at his gentle nudges towards hurrying the day up and killing cows near the beginning when it was clear that last game the kill someone quickly strategy which he hammered wasn't good (and he admitted it too). id expect town!charl to be doing more analysis or something or at least trying to give actual good reasons for pushing cows idk

this quote and just like meta from the previous iteration of this game. like sure that game was like hours long but he was super active and constantly engaging in analysis etc etc and he felt like a really big threat, here he feels more passive and if he can produce the content he did last game as town he can comfortably do a fraction of that as scum. he doesn't need to do anything here if he's scum which is what im seeing

[cowsloveSushirolls]

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720&user_select[]=36165

here's a repped scum game of theirs. i've called back to it i think just once and i've skimmed through the last iteration of NEP and somehow there's large differences between all 3 games
384 was before i read NEP II but i think i'm still holding on to that idea that if charle were to be scum here their play would not deviate THAT much from the large normal
even if it's likely a very small sample size of what they can do as maf

[innocentvillager]

for

charl

to be scum he'd have to have voted cows early to distance then as the wagon got bigger decided he couldn't back down

switched to strange briefly

then put cows as E2 for a bit

siteflaked/"forgot about this game"

then came back, unvoted and switched to pooky when pookywagon was developing

hmmm i guess it's plausible


i really don't see

T3

as a cows partner though

the constant sheep others onto and off cows seems like a really weird way to half bus and it doesn't look great on the surface so idk why he does that as scum. it reads as not self conscious which i think is a town trait of T3 but i haven't played with scum!T3 so that could be NAI.

Strange

could be anyone's partner with the way he is playing i guess.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: sm

i dont even care anymore

i will explode on cows as soon as i humanly can if this flips town

[numberQ]

Hmm okay. I always find meta arguments hard to respond to. But, if you're pushing for a Strange wagon, I guess that's besides the point.

I do like Strange for scum more than cows or Pooky for scum. Yeah why not I'll throw in here.

VOTE: Strange

Plus I was looking for a wagon to sheep, and me voting here makes this a 3-way tie for top wagon. So really, my hands are tied.

pedit: Okay, no longer tied

[cowsloveSushirolls]

this is a certified cows godread dw pooky

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: sm

i dont even care anymore

i will explode on cows as soon as i humanly can if this flips town

did you ever care..?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

probly not

[innocentvillager]

which is well, really specific and seemingly improbable as it's a 3 person pool but it quite literally can't be anyone else because of Mechanics idk

cows what did you mean here? Pooky has to be scum mechanically - why?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

cows what did you mean here? Pooky has to be scum mechanically - why?

are you asserting that or is that what you got from that post?
i thought at the time that those were the only reasonable pooky partners

[Enchant]

VOTE: Sushi

Considering dancing around Sushi and tryings to build wagon on others, i believe this slot would't survive without lawyers.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

anyone townreading this?

Not particularly, no.

Q, pooky, iv are town I think

I can get behind this

VOTE: strange

[T3]

cows town nq town pav scum

[Pavowski]

Cool, cool

Cool