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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:43 am

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But strictly speaking we are in fact very close to having a capitalist economy here given that we have markets (an item shop) and property rights (in currency and shop items) so the only feature we're actually missing is firms.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:47 am

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In post 298, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Why is representative democracy good in your opinion?
In this case we are electing representatives instead of using direct democracy for one of the same reasons that we do it in real life: administrative efficiency. Decision-making will be faster and more feasible, especially given the quantitative nature of exchange rates (building a majority in a large group of people is hard when one person wants 2.61 and another 2.59 and another two 2.44 etc.) while the mental energy of the people not on the board of directors can be spared for other productive duties, facilitating gains of efficiency from specialisation.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:50 am

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The thing here tho is that if a board member doesn't care (is a Bored Member), then they can "sell" their position to whoever and suddenly we have an unofficial but still active board member who we have no guarantee will be a good fit for the job.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:52 am

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We should agree not to re-elect corrupt board members.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:56 am

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In post 299, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 296, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 294, Jake The Wolfie wrote:If:
Currency is gamified and required to win
And:
There is a small number of individuals who are all able to control the currency

Then:
You get fucking capitalism
Yo I didn't know that capitalists are democratically elected I should try running for Minister of Being Rich irl.

Naw but the BoD pretty much only controls exchange rates and if you think they're doin' a rubbish job you can say so and/or try to vote them out at the next election and/or try to get the head director dismissed and/or executive review their decisions.

By the way, only the head director can call for an executive review of their actions.
I don't understand what you mean by this; anyone can initiate an executive review. It's the head director who is the subject of the review (represents the board).

We can also chain dismiss the entire board using motions in an emergency, since we can dismiss the head director and upon the dismissal of one head director the second place finisher automatically becomes head director.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:59 am

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Deimos27 wrote:We should agree not to re-elect corrupt board members.
Yeah, but that is a little counter to what would be good for you, would it not be?

If you have power, sure you could use it strictly to your advantage, or you could sell it to others for profit if you aren't entirely sure (or don't particularly care) how your power is used.

Also, how do you know who is acting corruptly and who isn't? I'm assuming that private communication about the game is allowed between players, because that could end poorly if it isn't.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:00 pm

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The thing is that corruption is neither obvious nor explicit. Corruption could mean as little as "Don't apply sanctions to me" or as big as "uncirculate all currency except for mine"
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:11 pm

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The board members will be communicating with each other on decisions. Further, their decisions will be documented for the public. There is far too much transparency for any significant corruption to be a realistic outcome, at least unnoticed, even assuming that we don't all have a basic level of integrity for the game.

If someone on the board were trying to sneak in advantages for someone else that would translate into an apparent lack of competence to everyone else in the game who simply would thereby opt not to re-elect them.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:12 pm

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I for one do not intend to communicate in DMs except to make my vote, and I am not opposed to explicitly banning it in the rules
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:13 pm

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Coug's vote passed the first three proposals. This is happening with or without you.
I will be supporting Ircher for first head director.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:56 pm

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M004 and Proposal 329 both fail.
Proposals 331, 332, and 333 pass.

The first election starts in (expired on 2021-11-04 00:01:00).
The first election shall end in (expired on 2021-11-05 23:59:00).

If someone else wants to post the remaining clauses for some points, you are more than welcome to. I don' t think anything else needs to be changed since the last draft. If not, I will post them tomorrow morning.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:23 pm

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If you insist :)
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:28 pm

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I'll take only the next three

Proposal 334:
Decision Making in the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors
: All decisions made by the board of directors shall be done in a way agreed upon by the current board of directors. This decision in turn shall be decided by simple majority vote with the head director breaking any ties if need be. All decisions made by the board of directors should be archived, and for decisions requiring a vote, the archive shall indicate the position taken by each director on the decision.

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The Powers Granted to the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors
: The following powers are hereby granted to the board of directors: 1) the power to determine exchange rates between various currencies 2) the power to dissolve currencies 3) the power to sanction players by imposing various restrictions on their currencies. The latter two powers shall be further described in future rules; however, if rules pertaining to those powers are not passed, then those powers are not granted. All exchange rates shall be officially posted in terms of Nomic dollars, and exchanges may be made both to and from Nomic dollars.

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The Power to Dissolve Currencies
: As established in Proposal 335, the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors wields the power to dissolve currencies. They may do so simply by declaring in bold, "Currency [Currency Name] is hereby declared void," with the following restrictions: 1) the currency must be out of circulation; this means that only the original creator of the currency possesses any nonzero amount of the currency and 2) the original creator of the currency must approve of the dissolution of the currency.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:32 pm

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VOTE: Yea 334
VOTE: Yea 335
VOTE: Yea 336
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 308, Deimos27 wrote:I for one do not intend to communicate in DMs except to make my vote, and I am not opposed to explicitly banning it in the rules
This seems like a very bad idea, mainly because this would make selfishness much higher (as it would be easiest to cooperate with yourself alone instead of with others, but only through public means), and it would make the game much more bland and uneventful (you're basically forced to play the game in one certain way, by tailoring everything to appeal to everyone else) until the very end (where a breaking strategy is discovered and a player basically wins out of nowhere)
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:05 pm

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VOTE: Yea 334
VOTE: Yea 335
VOTE: Yea 336

And that should pass them all.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:36 pm

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Proposal 337: ªpple
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:42 pm

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VOTE: Nay 337
???

Should I make a motion to just like have proposal 337 stricken entirely from the records?
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:59 pm

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It'll be fine, Ircher.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:47 am

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Motion M005: Should proposal 337 pass, Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle will not gain 1 point for it. This motion lasts for either 168 hours or until 337 passes, whichever is shorter. This will fail if proposal 337 fails.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:30 am

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Don't forget to get your election votes in.


Proposal 338:
The Power of the Nomic Central Bank to Sanction Players
: The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors may place economic sanctions on players for any reason provided the decision is documented as established in rule 334 and the entire board of directors agrees to the sanctions. These sanctions are limited to the following: (note that the target refers to the player being sanctioned) 1) preventing the target from creating more of their currency or limiting how much of the currency can be made, 2) preventing the target's currency from being traded or lent, 3) preventing the target from making currency exchanges of any kind, or 4) preventing the target's currency from being exchanged in any form. All sanctions are temporary and may last no longer than 72 hours (3 days). The board of directors shall choose both the length and the nature of the sanction as described above, and they are empowered to apply multiple sanctions to a single player as well to reapply a sanction immediately after a previous one expired. Note however that if the board of directors reapply a sanction, they must make the decision after the old one expires. In other words, the board of directors may not queue a new sanction to take hold immediately as the old one expires. Furthermore, further sanctions must be agreed upon and conducted in the same manner as the previous ones; bypassing the process in any way is prohibited. This proposal automatically fails if proposal 339 fails (see below).


Proposal 339:
Limitations on the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors
: The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors do not transcend the rules of the game. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else (except as described in rules pertaining to the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors), and furthermore, any and all of their decisions may be subjected to an executive review. Note that in the latter case, only the head director of the board of directors may be the subject of the executive review; that is, the head director shall be considered the "executor" for the purposes of an executive review and may not participate in the ensuing vote. In cases of egregious misuse of their power, a director may be removed from the board by a motion by the people. The slot shall remain vacant until the next election. If the head director is removed, the second place winner (as stipulated according to the rules in 332) shall become the new head director. If only one person is left on the board, a new election shall be held at the start of the next day according to the rules in 332. The moderator shall preside as the head director for such an election unless a different person is appointed to this position in a motion.


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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:48 am

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VOTE: Nay 337
VOTE: Aye 338
VOTE: Aye 339
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:53 am

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vote = submitted
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:11 pm

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hey, sorry. i'm like depressed or something
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:04 am

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:(

I'm going to remind lendunistus about this game since lendunistus is coming pretty close to the inactivity timer.
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