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[Dwlee99]

He claimed tracker yesterday and tracked me last night

[Bingle]

I'm pretty sure JK doesn't solve the "I survived" conundrum, so Dwlee isn't the last scum based on that. (Ru and I, also not last scum via same logic.)

Loft either IS a rb or is paired with Dwlee who killed Dunn.

I'll come back to this in a bit.

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure JK doesn't solve the "I survived" conundrum, so Dwlee isn't the last scum based on that. (Ru and I, also not last scum via same logic.)

Loft either IS a rb or is paired with Dwlee who killed Dunn.

I'll come back to this in a bit.

Can you say this with more words and maybe a diagram?

[cyrus62]

All it means is one ww choice not to kill. And std tracking is stupid if I was locked up what was the point tracking me.

[Save The Dragons]

I didnt track you?

[cyrus62]

So let's eliminate based on roles . Roleblock 1st I will lock up ru . Std can track me and dw can lock up bingel. Vote me off tommrow and dw locks up ru std tracks bingel

[cyrus62]

Dw what is your 2nd role. You can't multitask if you don't have two roles,

[cyrus62]

VOTE: dw I think your pulling something. I am town even night jk.

[Bingle]

VOTE: dw I think your pulling something. I am town even night jk.

Dw cannot be solo scum at this point.

[Bingle]

I'm pretty sure JK doesn't solve the "I survived" conundrum, so Dwlee isn't the last scum based on that. (Ru and I, also not last scum via same logic.)

Loft either IS a rb or is paired with Dwlee who killed Dunn.

I'll come back to this in a bit.

Can you say this with more words and maybe a diagram?

Sure. No diagrams tonight, but I can provide those in the next day or so.

[Dwlee99]

I can be multitasking without a second ability wdym

[Loftwing]

VOTE: dw I think your pulling something. I am town even night jk.

Dw cannot be solo scum at this point.

How so? Dweelee could be an instance of SCP-3008-2, and therefore have access to only 1 kill which they either may no longer have access to now (it was used up before), or they chose not to use it tonight.

[Bingle]

Basically, we have one mechanical interaction that is unresolved. I targeted enchant. Either my targeting of enchant succeeded and I should be dead or owl bus drove enchant and owl should have died night one. From my perspective, I know that is true.

Technically, it is feasible that I would have lied about bloodhounding enchant and relied on owl being outed as bus driver to get me out of a fake guilty as scum with owl, but why would I? I wouldn’t have had a way to know enchant was a pgo as scum any more than I did as town.

Given this, and the fact that none of the flipped roles can explain the lack of me and/or owl dying on Night 1, we have a role that caused me or owl to survive N1. None of the claimed roles can do so, given that I explicitly wasn’t blocked. Therefore, mama Ru is actually a full cop at this point, if we assume there is only one scum remaining (the one that prevented my death.)

Technically, you or Ru could be scum in addition to the scum who led to the mechanical strangeness on N1, but you are not the sole remaining scum because your role is confirmed to be unable to resolve the inconsistency.

[Bingle]

VOTE: dw I think your pulling something. I am town even night jk.

Dw cannot be solo scum at this point.

How so? Dweelee could be an instance of SCP-3008-2, and therefore have access to only 1 kill which they either may no longer have access to now (it was used up before), or they chose not to use it tonight.

That’s the reason the roleblocked weren’t clearing, not the reason the rolecop was.

[Bingle]

Loft and std both have evidence that their roles are real too, btw. STD being able to act means I was blocked. Std knowing owl targets implies actually being a tracker, although that is more fake able.

The question is do we slow roll the game and wait until mama gives us our guilty or do we risk unknown corner cases (loft/std team mutually fakeclaiming, for example) and just go for the win?

[Loftwing]

Basically, we have one mechanical interaction that is unresolved. I targeted enchant. Either my targeting of enchant succeeded and I should be dead or owl bus drove enchant and owl should have died night one. From my perspective, I know that is true.

Technically, it is feasible that I would have lied about bloodhounding enchant and relied on owl being outed as bus driver to get me out of a fake guilty as scum with owl, but why would I? I wouldn’t have had a way to know enchant was a pgo as scum any more than I did as town.

Given this, and the fact that none of the flipped roles can explain the lack of me and/or owl dying on Night 1, we have a role that caused me or owl to survive N1. None of the claimed roles can do so, given that I explicitly wasn’t blocked. Therefore, mama Ru is actually a full cop at this point, if we assume there is only one scum remaining (the one that prevented my death.)

Technically, you or Ru could be scum in addition to the scum who led to the mechanical strangeness on N1, but you are not the sole remaining scum because your role is confirmed to be unable to resolve the inconsistency.

I think this will just be lost on us unless a protective role either dies or the game ends.

Please explain to me how resolving this specific interaction advances our gameplay.

[Bingle]

There is a protective role barring major mod error.

Protective role did not out in massclaim.

Therefore: protective role is scum.

Ru is rolecop.

Therefore: protective role (and thus scum) can be found via nightplay.

Every jk, Rb, or tracker clears their target if Ru gets nk’d.

[Loftwing]

I submit the following:

Paranoid Gun Owner may be preventable via roleblock, and the bus driver fucked with our results enough to land one of our roleblockers onto Enchant.

[Bingle]

I submit the following:

Paranoid Gun Owner may be preventable via roleblock, and the bus driver fucked with our results enough to land one of our roleblockers onto Enchant.

That would fall under major mod error but we can check.

@cook: would a roleblocker prevent a pgo from killing?

[Bingle]

To explain, pgo is explicitly a passive role and rbs explicitly do not affect passive roles.

[Dwlee99]

The roleblocker also would have died, right?

[Dwlee99]

I forget what all the claims are but do we really not have a non-roleblocking protect

[Loftwing]

I could also see Enchant lying about who they killed N1 (targeting Dunnstral the Asceticizer) to score more brownie points for the town.

[Dwlee99]

But enchant was a PGO and bingle targeted him

[Bingle]

I forget what all the claims are but do we really not have a non-roleblocking protect

Closest is me. I obviously could not have docced myself the same night I bloodhounded enchant.