Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwee

UwU

[NorwegianboyEE]

So that's the kind of time horizon on which I expect us to win.

Fast worker.
I like it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey. Thanks for having me. I'll largely be an evening poster.

VOTE: Norwee

R u Pooky?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s what he wants me to think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You got any personal favourite scum playstyle Norwee?

The one where you [Censored] [Blip] [Unfit for an immature audience] and then with the salad you [Beep] [Blip] endgaming.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deimos, are you track-immune or watch-immune?

Asking for an friend.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really?? I show up and everybody disappears all at once?

What did you want? A pat on the back for reading 1 page? A real "good job sonny" cheer?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So, you don't want to talk? OK

What you wanna talk about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deimos seems excited to be in the game, but aren't we all.
I can't say if it leans one way or the other.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deimos seems excited to be in the game, but aren't we all.
I can't say if it leans one way or the other.

Anyway, unprompted null reads are performative and +scum

Well i was wondering what A50 wanted to talk about. But it turned out to be football so meh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wanna vote me or Norwee and get those wagons rolling?

Oh boy, wagons.

VOTE: Deimos

How's that wagon feel?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deimos, are you mad because of what i did?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wops. Ongoing game rule. Never mind that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Dorsey

N_M would 100% hammer himself for the first post in the game if he was E-1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Dorsey

N_M would 100% hammer himself for the first post in the game if he was E-1.

How serious was this vote?

I haven’t really made a serious vote yet.
But it wasn’t made for no reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Football career aside, what is the meaning of Deimos?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looking for other games based on a pronoun usage before changing it to it being about their tone is probably an townie though process.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thought process*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thread quality -400%

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'm just. Going to let people on this list who've played more with me address this.

Who?
Does that include me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i don’t think you’ve done anything i’d consider townie yet.
But the day is still early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you tell me I'm the fluffiest tsunami, I'll forgive you for saying NMs opening post isn't top quality

Did the mosquito buzzing in my ears say something?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven't paid attention to football in a few years but recently a season pass to Arsenal matches kinda fell into my lap.

Oh, a gooner. I'm a Kop. (Imagine how funny this would've been if you were a Mafia Goon and I was a Cop in a game).

Anyway, I'm Egyptian, so "a part of me" still feels for them Gunners

good taste.

Great club, great fan base, great history. Followed and supported Liverpool all my life.

Big game Sunday against our arch rivals.

Thought i’d check your ISO, and this is all i see on it.
Any thoughts on the game so far?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i don’t see the tsunami yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d be ok with pressure on Dorsey, Kop and Redtea so far.
They are the slots that’ve pinged me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do u have READS

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, happy b-day Redtea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but I can see how many people I can convince to vote nm with me

Why do you want N_M?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Imo, N_M is one of those players you always leave for last. Like if no scum team makes sense with anyone except N_M then i guess he’s scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm town

Question.
Have you ever said: "Yes, i am mafia" in a game, if you actually were?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, democracy sucks. Clicking the iso thing didn't help.

What do you mean by "democracy sucks"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You literally know nothing - why so aggressive? Noraa, Deimos.

I don’t know, i haven’t really gotten an: "aggressive vibe" from either of them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deimos at least, has been actively spurring good questions so i’ve liked their posts so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think they’re hammered.
I’ll reserve any judgement made, until i see the flip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would greatly appreciate not hammering before Kop has more than literally 2 posts and A50 has to produce actual game-related content

UNVOTE:
There in spirit

Noraa, were you aware that you placed the hammer vote?

[NorwegianboyEE]

A50+, Deimos+, Kop+, Noraa++, Tamora - my guess

What?
I don’t understand what any of this means.

[NorwegianboyEE]

almost didn't crumb did he
seems like kind of a lolshot

It probably wasn't for his reads cus all i see is him sheeping N_M.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraaaaaa

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deimos how familiar are you with A50? Have you played games with them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That question goes for everyone else too actually.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can pretend he was an uninformed mafia traitor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kop can you tell me your reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven't really likeds your day 1 because of how lacking it was, so if you could tell me more about your current thoughts that would be helpful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee how much have you played with Noraa

A couple of games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraaaaaa

Yes Norwee?

Just wanted to type that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

So you thought he was PR from yesterday?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did npt see you call A50 suspicious yesterday though, so you do have that going for you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This wagon is super good except I have an issue with one vote. It's ok though. We'll figure out who's scum bussing tomorrow

Can you say what this was, now that we knot it was town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow, typing on phone is making me sound like a clown.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kop can you tell me your reads.

Kop is town.

No thanks.

You explain it please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would it be from a scum agenda?
And tbf, i didn’t really know myself whether your first comment was referring to the D1 flip, the nightkill, or both.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.

Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda because it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.

I don't see how it is scum motivation

just

wanting to eliminate you. Dorsey scumread you, and that clearly wasn't scum motivation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa i'm waiting for answers to my questions when you get back.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not going to go too deep into it now, but i have an method of reading Noraa that i think is pretty good. But it requires some more input from them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunately

this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPA

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've played one game in recent memory with a50 and that's ongoing iirc.
why?

Trying to understand the kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did get a bit paranoid by Deimos’s 281, just because it feels a bit pockety how they ascribed me town "for my day 1", without elaborating further. But i’m also not a super fan of Noraa’s instapush so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At the very least, i don’t think it’s SvS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is pbPA

[NorwegianboyEE]

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

So you saying you think my play is townie but that is something you think is scummy for me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is that enough to unvote?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Could be but NM is an asset to town until proven scum so no I'd rather not. I'll try to poke him a bit today to get some content.

I wasn’t gonna immediately throw down on it, but i think the N_M wagon is really bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Imagine putting pressure on N_M and getting a good reply.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway.
VOTE: Kop for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see why scum Norwee defends me here. Norwee have you played any games with me where I was town? (besides the most recent gensoko or whatever it was called)

It is true that you’ve disproportionately have been scum in our previous games, but that should hopefully make it easier for me to recognize.
You were town in the boon game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwee I think the wagon is fine. NM hasn't been doing much but he does have great reads so I'm not really interested in elimming him. I think pressure is fine and hopefully we get some content out of him.

If he is being super quiet, I'll have to think about it more because then I'll feel like it's my fault if town loses by hammering town NM in elo. But I'll also feel like it's my fault if scum NM gets hard defended by me and wins the game. So that's a kinda sucky situation to put myself in.

In what games has he had: "great reads"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've felt really sick these last days. And reading your posts is hard Deimos. x_x

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you increase the jokiness/seriousness quantity from 5%/95% to about 30%/70%?
It would make me easier to follow, thanks~

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M is now using an disguised prod dodge.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Force replacing Not_Mafia.

Based.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi STD, thoughts?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I myself am not a big fan of associative clearing, since you can easily reach the wrong conclusion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are these interactions of "not distancing"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d be ok with voting Redtea and Vulture today i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Though there is also the take that Redtea has so many scumreads on him already that it seems hard to believe he couldn’t be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hammered town as scum in one of my first scumgames on this site.
They were also a good friend of mine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think "i wouldn’t hammer as scum" is nearly of a good as an argument as you seem to think it is.
But i do like your active engaged posting so i’m feeling more like i want a bird or some snappy fruit tea on the menu today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

fun fact: I am a twin :3

Have you and your twin ever asked someone to play with us forever, and ever, and ever?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ll catch up tommorow.
I’m starting to feel better finally.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm i like post 482 from Vulture. (The case on Redtea)
So that makes me want to do Redtea.
I feel like they haven’t been openly or brazenly scum. But they are struggling a bit to keep up with other people’s towniness. Which makes me think they could just be scum that’s having a bit of a rough one right now.
I can’t really remember any post that made me think: "ah yes, this comes from town."
VOTE: Redtea

[NorwegianboyEE]

In a game where I feel at this time there is a definition between towny people and the rest, redtea stands out as the Worst Offender.

Yeah that’s what i thought as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like the thing is

Lets say im scum with redtea. There is no world in which I draw attention to redtea when he's floating by just fine. Was there pressure on redtea before I came along? Perhaps yes but barely. Not enough to ever have redtea even be considered "on the table" I have ZERO reason to be hard pushing my buddy. It would literally be better to just focus on pocketing town and stay neutral while saying stuff like "IDKK IM SO LOST IDK WHOSE SCUM TOWN COME GUIDE ME" Town are sympathetic. Town have a lot of empathy. Town is easy to fool because of all of that. Rather than taking the AtE route, scum me decides to just brute force my way through everything? sorry what? I'm literally known for my AtE and manipulation lmao.

Come on Noraa, don’t make me think ur scum for this defensiveness.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So tracker is dead right? So scum could very well be trying to buss today. Because one of the scum players won’t get caught by the watcher even if they target "correctly".
Something that’s been on my mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vulture I just want you to know your case on me is atrociously stupid.

Wow, great counter.

WHY is it "stupid"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess I should say that my vote is no longer on Noraa even symbolically, I really am considering redtea or STD instead.

Why STD?

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee does things as scum he's not doing here

Not meme-ing enough?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dont question the deimos read honestly. I dont want to talk about it.
Anyways that's hopefully it from me for today. If I come back, please tell me to leave I have other things I need to be doing.

I question your Deimos read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I should prob figure out who Vulture really is, but too lazy to check.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@STD, Because we're close to Elo?

why would someone fos you for that

[NorwegianboyEE]

As of right now, i want Redtea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He has also made a couple of posts earlier such as on day 1 that sounded really robotic and artificial that pinged me. Which i can bring up if i need to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

fair assessment but I can't believe you agreed with vulture's case
"case"
which is another point towards scum!you this game IMO but I also want to see what others think about it

Lol ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It is convenient that me scumreading you is a point towards scum!me.
Truly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So why is liking a post from Vulture indicative of scum!me?
I haven’t exactly made it a secret that i had you both in the PoE.
So me liking a post from Vulture makes it natural that i consider you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Attacking me for real life sickness is not cool.

And i have posted afterwards, so don’t say it’s an excuse. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

But I swear all his last posts have just been "Sorry I'm not posting. I'll post someday"

And this is just blatantly wrong.

What is YOUR read on Redtea?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's your read of STD?

They feel just like typical STD to me. I don’t think they’ve been scummy. Maybe not as strong of an presence or done too many borderline "townie" things. But i don’t wanna lim them today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I myself am not a big fan of associative clearing, since you can easily reach the wrong conclusion.

Though there is also the take that Redtea has so many scumreads on him already that it seems hard to believe he couldn’t be town.

This is funny

Yeah i was considering it, but it could just as easily just be because scum is shading their teammate instead of backing them up.
And considering i’m voting Redtea now you probably know what i’m thinking of that argument now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why don’t you tell Noraa that saying i’m sus because of sickness is dumb and opportunistic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the overall speed of this wagon is really slow when most people agree with it.

Where are you even going with this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

if anyone hammers before everyone checks in, thats a scum claim because E-1 is written very clearly there this time.

Look who’s talking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why should we vote Vulture anyways.
@Noraa

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sometimes scum is just scum.
I don’t really see anything worth defending in their ISO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It feels like Redteas given up, plain and simple.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are we doing this before the flip?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not gonna speculate too much until i see Redteas flip. But that’s just me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it one of those experimental attempts at outing the last PR or are you srs?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway that was the hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ughh. I’m gonna need more time to delve deeper into each persons ISO. Because i don’t feel at all confident in any of the reads i had up to this point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really should get started now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

STD and Vulture make the most sense.

Noraa feels tonally town.
EE is probably town but if he's not we've imploded too far to catch him.

Can you explain why you think it's STD/Vulture?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it PoE?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Noraa is pretty good at sounding townie or hyperposting when they are scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vulture, where you at?

[NorwegianboyEE]

From looking at Noraa and STD's ISO, i feel like if Noraa is scum then STD makes sense as an partner.

In STD's ISO he starts the day by calling me and Deimos town and Noraa scum.

deimos town
norwee town
norra scum

It feels like maybe STD could have started the game by immediately trying to pocket the most townread players and coasting on that. They also are criticizing Noraa a lot when jumping into the game. I just have this paranoia and gut feeling that it could be for distancing, and that he settled on Redtea at the end of the day instead of Noraa without making a big fuss about it. It's just too agreeable in a sense.
And i still trust TA based on the pronoun thing earlier so their post angling towards that being their lim today doesn't make me feel confident. And the tone of their voice is a bit uncertain too, like they're just waiting to see where the threads vibe is going before settling on an decision.

i thought it was noraa but maybe my reads are sucking lately so maybe i should go the opposite

it might be ta because ta has done fuck all since the beginning but who knows

That leaves Vulture as my most unsure read ATM. I'm gonna wait for them to show up before i make my conclusion.
But i'm thinking TA is town for sure, Noraa and STD are probably scum. And Vulture i'm a bit unsure of, but i've liked some of their more recent posts in the previous day so i'm considering if they could be town. And then Noraa/STD would make the most sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm kinda leaning towards doing STD, because their play when looking back on it, looks like it was meant to pocket me and Deimos.
So right now i'm feeling that voting STD is the best choice, and if it is indeed scum then i'd think Noraa is the most likely teammate, assuming Vulture proves to be town. But i'm feeling that is what makes the most sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa's interactions with N_M in this game also feel a bit unnatural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d be ok with voting Redtea and Vulture today i think.

Any particular reason why Vulture > STD?

I resonate with Vulture a lot I feel like

Also like... Deimos wanting to vote STD before Vulture kinda makes sense in why he got killed tonight assuming scum didn't want someone that townread Vulture and scumread STD going into ElO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm pretty indecisive between who I want to elim in {Noraa, redtea, STD} I feel like each of these have their pros and their cons.

If this solve is correct then Deimos was so close to the solve, just one off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i didn’t think that, i wouldn’t have said it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well here we go.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I could probably get a TR from norwee more easily by SRing him.

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not gonna vote, but i do lean more on the side of Vulture being town here than Noraa.

I feel the same strategically but disagree with the conclusion.

I'd like to hear STD chime in.

You’re gonna have to explain what that means champ.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already said i'm not voting yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, lets say your holding a red role pm, what would you be doing right now?

Umm.
Idk, that depends on some other factors. Such as who i would be scum with.
But if we're talking standard procedure then i just try to find some good miselim option and push there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Behavior and vibe wise what do you do

How would i know that? And why do you need to know?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok lets say its elo and theres a townie who's been waffley on you slot. You could get their vote or you could make them a mislim. What do you do and why?

Again, i think the context matters.
But i guess i'm a bit more pockety as scum so try to get them on my side maybe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean i'm not a frigging genius when it comes to playing as scum, most of the time i'd be happy with myself if i could do just the basics without being seen straight through.
Anyway what was the point in that? Did it help you read me somehow?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck, i’m doubting myself so much now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

STD why did you vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa what do you think i should do here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk, i feel like Noraa sounds really townie in these last pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

STD voting and unvoting is also really strange and i kinda feel like town wouldn't do that? Cus i don't see the point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So if TA wants to bank on STD/Vulture i might be fine with that i think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like i wanna vote Vulture because there isn't much point in waiting anymore. If i do and there is no hammer then that should at least confirm that scum cannot be TA and from my POV it has to be Vulture/STD. (and possibly Noraa/me from TA's POV.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Vulture

[NorwegianboyEE]

TA?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If TA was scum with Noraa i’m going to cry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why wouldn't I just bus. Zzz.

Whoever's the town btwn Norwee and Tamora, nice throw.

Don't like this Lamist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like clearly everyone here wanted/was amicable to kill StD. Why do I go against the grain and force something infinitely harder for myself. Please, tell me.

p-edit: ...I mean, Norwee thought I was townie and aligned with my thoughts, yes? I can go back and quote the posts where he did that. Pocketing is kind of the thing I 'do' as scum. Why wouldn't I try to convince Norwee instead of doing this, exactly?

I mean the answer is pretty obvious? Sure it would be better for you to argue for killing STD, but that assumes he isn't on your team. Which is literally what Noraa has been saying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, regarding the accidental hammer:

1) You pushed Dorsey on some pretty bad reasons.
2) You hammered; I'm asserting that you knew about it and tried to play it off.

Not really a bad reason, honestly, to call someone scum.

Not a bad reason, no.
Which explains why they were the likely designated mislim for today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vulture voted Noraa pretty early into the day, which i don't like for several reasons:

- It shows that they already had an plan in motion.
- There was very little assessing done before placing their vote, which i don't feel like is a town mindset to have for ElO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not to rush you, but this game does have a deadline.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Going to vote Noraa in a few hours.

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You haven’t said anything.

What are you basing your vote on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you hammer with that and lose us the game then i don’t know what to say.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And then he tries to rush the day to end

No. I was trying to rush for TA to actually open his mouth and say literally anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What makes the most sense here is that Vulture bussed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They voted early yesterday, way before anyone else. They probably had that planned and just stuck with it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Vulture

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s also like, pretty obvious that it wasn’t “kill both Noraa and Vulture” but “Protect and call Noraa townie and kill Vulture” which says about all it needs to.

It makes little sense for me to play the way i have if i was scum here.
You're telling me that i as scum chose to hard defend my buddy when it would have been an free win to just busskill Noraa at that point?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You bussed Noraa and now you're coming up with an easy narrative to seal the victory for yourself here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You have no rebuttal to my points about you and Noraa’s interaction and my analysis speaks for itself, back to work.

Why are you telling me to get back to work and that i have no rebuttals? That tone is really scummy.
I'm bringing up that Noraa was bussed because from my POV that is the only possible explanation here. And if STD was mafia then we would have basically lost already cus he just gonna hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

STD, you've already said you think i've done things i wouldn't do as scum in this game.
Ask yourself why i would choose to make the most shit play possible in ElO assuming this Noraa/Norwee world that Vulture is trying to sell you here. I literally wouldn't. I play much better than this as scum.
Unfortunately i put my trust in the wrong person yesterday, but Noraa's genuine tone is really persuasive and i didn't like Vultures tone and posts yesterday, but it seems i was right on that at least.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Though you could say i wasn't wrong because either of the two would be right.
It was S+S.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also asking myself if Noraa's weird questioning aimed at me was intended to try to further this narrative from Vulture/Noraa somehow, because it was really odd when looking back on it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least i was right to trust TA. I'm mostly happy with my reads in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dragons didn’t hammer me so Dragons town.

Although this is true.

Vulture is just confirmed scum then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still had some slight doubts it could be STD and we were just fooling around. But no, well played Vulture.
Your scum game has gotten pretty good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

After all, Noraa didn’t look too good with the hammer back in day 1, and with their ensuing play to distance from Vulture.
Like, you’ve really outdone yourself as scum this time Ydrasse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

STD , since you're here.
Could you say something that's on your mind so i know where you're at?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just talk to me. I don't want another day where TA says nothing and just votes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like shit right now ‘cause I’m sick, dwelling on Noraa’s redtea defense as TMI or something and will come back with a conclusion on if I think that or not later. Makes it way more annoying when they outright say “why would I defend redtea as scum like this”. Wifom sucks.

Back to bed for me.

Ydrasse's post here reads as if they've made their mind up from before the day. I also think Noraa's and Vulture's banter after Redtea was hammered was really unnecessary. It makes perfect sense for it to have been an long-planned buss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i wanted to distance from an buddy, staging an argument during twilight after an town got hammered is the most fitting scenario.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noo. STD (((

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ny history with ElO’s is bad enough. :(

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can’t you see Ydrasse’s tone has been a lot more controlling and scummy STD. Like when they said i had nothing on them earlier and had to "try again".

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Noraa kept their attention on Vulture because it was as i said, an planned buss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa and Ydrasse are both great scum players, they can make discussions not look like scum theatre if they plan to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you’re not denying that you as scum would be able to do this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When i refer back to you as Ydrasse it is because i cnnot unsee smug and scum!Ydrasse that is so close to victory and just has to rub it in.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think that's true. Maybw you weren't the most townread slot at that point, but if both Vulture/Noraa went hard for you at that moment then the whole game might have turned very different because who would theoretical scum!STD be paired with then? If Noraa pushed you there then it would make you either have to be paired with me or TA or something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i don't think an battle fought on the premise of Norwee/STD is one that Noraa/Vulture would have a high chance of winning at that point.
Vulture and Ydrasse played smarter than that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I theorized that it might be planned from before the night that they would play out the rest of the game that way, and that Vulture's hasty vote on Noraa cements that idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Check it out yourself. They just voted like that when it could have been an gameloss if they were wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If they had an town mindset and it was wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm tired and feel like crap and probably not going to put a lot more thought into this game. If I'm wrong scum'll hammer if not, happy to confirm that it's between me/Noraa today. Partner's probably STD who's finding every reason to waffle on Noraa and shade me for voting redtea, even though I had laid out a lot more reasoning why redtea was scum in my eyes at the time of posting that content.

VOTE: Noraa

tl;dr Noraa pushed redtea with the same reasons that they used to describe their viewpoint of the game in 724 (also, note that this post does the most work in giving a reason to townread TA who is townreading Noraa) earlier on, and then switched to defending redtea at the end of the day yesterday so that they could make a WIFOM argument of 'why would I do this as scum!' Also the hammer D1. Also, they're giving reasons to townread everyone to keep their options open.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It does make sense, and i don't want to lose to Ydrasse like this. I've lost too many ElO's as the town that get's mislimmed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already made it clear I thought it was Noraa/STD and was willing to send the game on that because Noraa was a lot harder to kill.

Which betrays your plan, because why would town want to go for the harder lim in ElO if you truly believed it could be STD as well as Noraa.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn’t think your mind was changing, but i had to try.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really, the plan was for me to just buss Noraa like i said you did. But Noraa wanted to brute force it so i went along it. And it was the wrong play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unfortunately TA was an annoying type of player that didn’t say anything in thread. So it felt like a dice roll.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i tred you the entire game

Doesn’t matter. I was obviously partnered with Noraa, the very thing i hoped to avoid.
So this entire ElO i didn’t expect to win from the beginning, but had to try anyways.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I screwed up in ElO. Plain and simple.
Could have had it if i just bussed hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The setup probably would have been more interesting if we didn't noscope the first PR on night 1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fun fact.
I never caught A50's crumb.
I just

assumed

he was crumbing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Noraa basically caught the second by confidently stating that post 110 comes from pr!Redtea

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also their play i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i knew your true identity before then i would have killed you instead of Deimos.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You make me more paranoid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Weird trend i'm noticing.
When Noraa said on day 2 that it was: "obvious that A50 was PR" it just reads to me like super scummy and i don't know why my scum partners always do this whenever i catch out a PR. Like don't ADMIT you were looking for PR's yesterday, that's just dumb.

I've had my scum partners in newbie games do this as well. We'd get a PR and they would share their PR crumbs in the main thread for like no reason other than make themselves look sus as fuck. Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If nobody else thinks A50 played like a PR then just act dumb, or better yet. Always act dumb.
Better than being like: "Hey, i thought A50 was a PR on day 1, and now A50 is dead. What a coincidence haha!"