i honestly don’t know what to make of you. i find some of things you say ridiculous but beyond that idk. wisdom’s saying one thing about you and Bingle’s say pretty much the opposite.
one thing strikes me is that Meg doesn’t seem terribly concerned about the votes on her where you get extremely upset but idk if either means anything or not, probably you aren’t jester and that’s all i’ve got.
I've only endgamed 2 times as Scum compared to the 14 other times I have endgamed as Town. 9/14 of the times I've been endgamed as Town, I've been on the right side of history (that's 64%).
But also, it seems Scum really like to push for my Lim because I've been Limmed as Town 10 times and won 5 of them.
So, yeah, when I say I have a Scummy meta, which is only because people don't understand me because I'm weird, I have the data to back it up.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.
In post 677, Mystik Spiral wrote:i honestly don’t know what to make of you. i find some of things you say ridiculous but beyond that idk. wisdom’s saying one thing about you and Bingle’s say pretty much the opposite.
one thing strikes me is that Meg doesn’t seem terribly concerned about the votes on her where you get extremely upset but idk if either means anything or not, probably you aren’t jester and that’s all i’ve got.
What is your read on Bingle? Because it seems like you are weighing both opinions the same. You said you were TRing Wisdom, but you also said that was your strongest read of the game.
So who cares what Bingle says about me?
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.
And in case there was any doubt I have a "Scummy meta" I provide this set of quotes.
In post 202, Nauci wrote:Quick - no read here ever; I don't know if I'll ever be able to read Quick but certainly unlikely in day 1
In post 204, Nauci wrote:I remember reading your other games trying to figure you out for that one and maybe one other game where I swear I was dead ass convinced you were scum but you were town so as far as I'm concerned, I'm Lickety Quickety Illiteratey
Personally I think I'm an easy person to read. Some people can catch me as Scum every single time. Titus is one of those players who has an astounding record of reading me because they know what to look for. I was also recently in THIS game and someone caught me as Scum in like my first post. Never found out who it was though.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.
In post 665, Bingle wrote:And in isolation being survivalistic is a very weak scumtell because town also does it. Here, it's a pretty strong antiJester tell. Like sure, Jester probably fights their lim a little, but to this extent?
So do you want to Lim me because I'm NOT JESTER or because I'm Mafia? Limming me just because I am not Jester is easy. Most of the players in this game so far fit that.
And I'm gonna put this in visual format because I know you won't actually look at my wiki if I ask you to.
See, I get Limmed D1 a lot - more than anything else besides Endgame. And You want me in endgame if you are Town here because I'm good at endgame. So I have every reason to fight my Lim as hard as I am doing.
And that's without calculating for my other account as well. I probably have way more D1 Lims if you look at that data.
Both? Like, if you genuinely didn't understand that the goal in this game for town is to eliminate Mafia while avoiding the elimination of Jesters that would have been apparent long before now.
WRT the statistics, putting aside the fact that you're trying to sell something as meaningless as past game statistics as a reason to townread you, you have a significantly higher scumwin percentage than townwin percentage based on your own wiki page which is exactly counter to your own narrative of "I'm usually easy to beat as scum". You don't break apart your deaths based on faction. You have absolutely no account for correlation or causation, and there's nothing addressing that mafia is a cooperative game.
Your argument is that you're town because you win as town about as much as you'd expect a random monkey at a typewriter in a room full of monkeys at typewriters and you're worse as scum than as town because you win more often. Your argument is worse than useless. Congratulations on wasting my time.
In post 569, Wisdom wrote:But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here
Show me a single thing LQ has done that is town.
Is it the dismissal of MS as a jester for exactly as long as it was scumreading him?
Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?
Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"
Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?
Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?
Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?
Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.
In post 665, Bingle wrote:And in isolation being survivalistic is a very weak scumtell because town also does it. Here, it's a pretty strong antiJester tell. Like sure, Jester probably fights their lim a little, but to this extent?
So do you want to Lim me because I'm NOT JESTER or because I'm Mafia? Limming me just because I am not Jester is easy. Most of the players in this game so far fit that.
And I'm gonna put this in visual format because I know you won't actually look at my wiki if I ask you to.
See, I get Limmed D1 a lot - more than anything else besides Endgame. And You want me in endgame if you are Town here because I'm good at endgame. So I have every reason to fight my Lim as hard as I am doing.
And that's without calculating for my other account as well. I probably have way more D1 Lims if you look at that data.
Both? Like, if you genuinely didn't understand that the goal in this game for town is to eliminate Mafia while avoiding the elimination of Jesters that would have been apparent long before now.
WRT the statistics, putting aside the fact that you're trying to sell something as meaningless as past game statistics as a reason to townread you, you have a significantly higher scumwin percentage than townwin percentage based on your own wiki page which is exactly counter to your own narrative of "I'm usually easy to beat as scum". You don't break apart your deaths based on faction. You have absolutely no account for correlation or causation, and there's nothing addressing that mafia is a cooperative game.
Your argument is that you're town because you win as town about as much as you'd expect a random monkey at a typewriter in a room full of monkeys at typewriters and you're worse as scum than as town because you win more often. Your argument is worse than useless. Congratulations on wasting my time.
No, my argument is that you shouldn't be as sure that I am Scum as you are. And the only reason I am good as Scum is because [REDACTED] and has nothing to do with my Lim rate as Scum. In fact, if you consider that 6/16 times I've been Limmed as Scum, it just means I get Limmed MORE often as Scum than I do as Town.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.
And again, Bingle, you are just saying I am Scum because I have been wrong about things. I don't play in a traditional way - that should be totally apparent to you at this point. So stop trying to read me like you read everyone else and try and get inside my head.
I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
You was doided teh aposit_tisopa het dedoid saw em.
In post 654, LicketyQuickety wrote:Now it just looks like Wisdom was baiting me into voting for Meg here.
Wisdom, why would you want to end the day so early?
Huh?
I wanted to know if Bingle would hammer her because Meg/Bingle is one of the two pairs im seeing
I got my answer and didn't ask you to vote her again
In post 569, Wisdom wrote:But i dont think town bingle still scumreads lq here
Show me a single thing LQ has done that is town.
Is it the dismissal of MS as a jester for exactly as long as it was scumreading him?
Is it the OMGUS retraction of a townread on me as soon as I started pushing him?
Is it the assertions that "It's okay, I'm scummy as town and even more scummy as scum. Just go do a bunch of busywork reading second hand games and it'll be obvious!"
Is it the dismissal of everyone who was even posting as town or Jester in order to push the single person least likely to be able to put up a defense?
Is it the making shit up about what I've said or done?
Is it the blatant gaslighting about things that didn't actually happen in the thread?
Cause I've kinda run out of things he's done this game and haven't seen a single fucking towntell in the list.
Its his tone
Just read any exchange with mystik (and you)
This level of fire is hard to fake
Like i feel his frustration and its genuine
Hes trying to do things and gets lost in misunderstandings
There's no sign of subtle manipulation or agenda in his trajectories
He thinks it, he says it
In post 677, Mystik Spiral wrote:i honestly don’t know what to make of you. i find some of things you say ridiculous but beyond that idk. wisdom’s saying one thing about you and Bingle’s say pretty much the opposite.
one thing strikes me is that Meg doesn’t seem terribly concerned about the votes on her where you get extremely upset but idk if either means anything or not, probably you aren’t jester and that’s all i’ve got.
What is your read on Bingle? Because it seems like you are weighing both opinions the same. You said you were TRing Wisdom, but you also said that was your strongest read of the game.
So who cares what Bingle says about me?
that doesn’t mean I don’t take his opinions into account. i listen to everyone - including you.
i was doing a lot of thinking last night and i’m pretty sure Meg is one scum. i initially had convinced myself she might be jester but eventually came around to scumreading her, so unless something changes, i expect that’s likely where my vote will likely go. i came around to mindmelding pretty strongly with Wisdom’s solve.
if anyone is interested in how i arrived at this conclusion, i’d be happy to case her.
my current solve is: town: me, Wisdom, probably Clemency, maybe LQ/Bingle/imaginality but leaning LQ
jester: imaginality/Bingle (outside chance of it being Clemency but doubt it)
scum: meg + imaginality/Bingle
i’m concerned that Bingle is so locked into his LQ solve here. because i think it’s pretty damned obvious that scum would try to play more like jester here and that’s part of my Meg case. her saying she was willing to die if Cakez flip red. that made absolutely no sense from a townie pov to make that statement, so i initially considered jester but it was way to blatantly obvious to be jester and here’s the kicker: ONLY if Cakez flipped red, so this way it never gets put to the test.
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Scumreads have been really bare this game for me.
I was hoping for some more movement on wagons to read into but it just hit dl instead.
Look at this readslist.
Meg lists four people not as town but as “not mafia”.
this is why i initially thought this could possibly be a jester read because it just seemed way too obvious but then i realized that list implies that the four of us has as much chance of being jester as town based on that list. so this implies either that either Meg is jester and doesn’t need to jester hunt and this is wifom or more likely it’s a likely tmi read, which would spew imaginality as her buddy unless her hypothetical buddy is also in that list. it’s also bizarre to me that Wisdom isn’t mentioned, when he is super obvious town here.
now i initially considered that Meg could be have tried to fake not being jester with her Cakez push but that seemed kind’ve whack. what struck me the most off was her offering to die if Cakez flipped red which i thought really bizarre.
In post 389, MegAzumarill wrote:If cakes flips red I'm happy to die to lower jester win odds
why does town ever make this post? it reads like i might be either noble town or jester considered the flip but the kicker is “flips red”, which makes me lean tmi and not jester.
because as we know Cakez flipped green, Meg isn’t required to stick to this.
LQ do you want to just hammer Cakez, it's better than doubling our odds of getting jesters by keeping 2 people at the same count
this kind of blatant contradiction doesn’t make sense coming from town. Meg clearly preferred a Clemency lim > a Cakez lim but she obviously panicked that one of them would flip jester.
her specifically asking LQ to hammer makes it less likely he’s her buddy than either imaginality/Bingle.
