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I dislike this
Shouldnt you be discussing what you got out of this instead of exiting?

Bingle, don’t you have any opinions on whom we should lim today? i obviously need all the help i can get here.

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Meg town who knows this is a trick plays along, she doesnt post that awkward thing
Shes definitely scum or jester

yeah, i’ve been thinking she could be jester for quite awhile now but scum is also a possibility.

if we can lock down the jester, then the game would become a lot easier.

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this game is w i l d. Wisdom is it possible we’re wrong on LQ?

still feel good about Wisdom and hopefully Clemency makes an appearance but his play here makes little sense here if he isn’t town, so not currently worried about that.

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One of those two votes on me is scum trying to push through a quick mislim on me in the confusion.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

ew jester vibes

UNVOTE:

yeah could be.

so if we’ve got two likely jester candidates, what do we do then? it’s bad if we lim town too.

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one of Meg/imaginality is jester faking?

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We eliminate bingle obviously

do you think he was pocketing me? possible. anyone who knows me, knows i’m a sucker for pockets.

i have a dream that Clemency were to get replaced by a player who actually gaf about this game. lol

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Honestly out of the three bingle is the least likely jester maybe?

true but if he’s town, that means mafia gets one step closer to parity.

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One of those two votes on me is scum trying to push through a quick mislim on me in the confusion.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'm actually fine with this.

???

you are? why?

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or do you mean you’re fine with where you’re vote is?

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One of those two votes on me is scum trying to push through a quick mislim on me in the confusion.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'm actually fine with this.

???

you are? why?

or do you mean you’re fine with where you’re vote is?

@LQ, why didn’t you respond to this?

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@LQ, why didn’t you respond to this?

I think Image's vote speaks of their alignment more than anything I could say. That's why I don't have a problem with their vote on me. At this point, I don't think Image is Town.

so why did you switch to Bingle then? do you jester read imaginality?

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yeah, i’m having some paranoia that possibly one/both Bingle/imaginality are pocketing me.

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no pressure right?

I mean... It's a Jester game. There's no real pressure either way.

But seriously, you're the most solid townread in the game by far. LQ's not really wrong that there's a chance of Wisdom powerwolfing here.

Just sheeping you is the way town has a chance of winning tomorrow

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see i really don’t understand the logic in this. saying, everyone should recognize i’m town is fine but that doesn’t mean my solve is necessarily correct, especially in this type of setup, because obviously jester.

this is why this looks like a pocket to me.

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I mean... I would troll that I was town as Jester here, but no.

You've got this MS, I believe in you.

and again this post, with jester still in the game, this level of confidence in my solve defies logic.

i would expect town!Bingle to recognize i’m town here but this reads like i’m being buttered up. no one who’s town should either be this confident in their solve atp in the game nor anyone else’s solve irresponsible of their read on that slot.

and that’s the crux of it, it’s still possible he could be jester but LQ is right, he pretty did somewhat of a reads reversal on him without really giving much explanation for it.

and it seemed to coincide with Wisdom and me changing our read on LQ.

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irrespective not irresponsible lol

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Bingle not considering the PT explanation for Wisdom's post adds to my belief Bingle isn't scum here.

what about this is particularly townie?

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Bingle not considering the PT explanation for Wisdom's post adds to my belief Bingle isn't scum here.

How so?

Scum have a PT so it's less likely they wouldn't think of that explanation.

nia explanation. why didn’t Bingle just confront Wisdom on that read as opposed to jump to he must be lying? this read from imaginality means nothing either way.

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I thought I was replacing into a Scum slot. I wasn't.

nah that's way too underground for me
never heard of a nirvana

Is this underground enough for you?



The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.

Based on how the game is going so far, I think we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.

I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.

TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.

Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.

I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.

That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.

VOTE: Clemency

hmmm . . . interesting. LQ is clearly giving reads but Bingle has made numerous posts denying this.

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Oh didnt know thats a show
Makes sense then

well, what about this is necessarily townie and uniformed? he doesn’t know about a tv show? what does this have to do with absolutely anything?

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Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

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Oh didnt know thats a show
Makes sense then

well, what about this is necessarily townie and uniformed? he doesn’t know about a tv show? what does this have to do with absolutely anything?

I explained this: "Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game."

I also said it's an experimental read and I'm waiting for it to be proven wrong, but so far, it hasn't been. More of an experimental/experiential read tbh.

well i agree that Wisdom’s play here has been very townie because i can’t see anything agenday in any of their posts.

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Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

What is your Clem TR based on? Like I originally thought they were Scummy for not providing content (at all) but now they are just straight up not playing.

well, you would expect scum or jester to put in more effort because how does scum or jester!Clemency win this by not doing anything? Wisdom linked to a Clemency scumgame where he was extremely active and you would also expect jester!Clemency to be enjoying this a lot more.

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Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

What is your Clem TR based on? Like I originally thought they were Scummy for not providing content (at all) but now they are just straight up not playing.

not playing is generally more likely to be rand town, where as active lurking is more likely to be rand scum.

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Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?

Could be Wis, but I'm like 99% on MS town.

Not sure on Meg, she definitely fits as LQ partner and imagine partner.

MS picks the elim tomorrow and everyone sheeps no questions asked. It's the only way you deal with town not being a true majority.

again, why this confidence in my read? also interesting shade on Meg but why no vote there?

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Where did you see him be extremely active in baton
He was pretty absent there too
The difference is that here he probably just flaked, which prolly means he was town

oh did he? i wasn’t in that game. i’m basing it off of posts where he seemed to effort a lot more.

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Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

In the game Shirley, You Jest (a variant of Jester Nightless with moar Jester) Wisdom won as the third Jester limmed by playing as town as possible. It is not only a good theoretical strategy, it's a proven one I have first hand experience with. Me being uber town is not a reason to say I'm not Jest.

OTOH:

VOTE: LQ

Jester hunting in lieu of scumhunting is a pretty good reason for me to think you're maf.

this post is another reason to vote Bingle - I don't think this vote comes from town Bingle

I do but it's secret for now

Good thing you said that, I was about to quickhammer.

It’s worth noting that I will be policy quickhammering in this setup.

why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

lost my Bingle townread. :/

Join my wagon

I SR Bingle for other reasons

News to me, his 'case' on me was garbage and I trusted Wis on the rest.

this post stuck out at me because Cakez didn’t actually even make a case and why does Bingle auto assume Cakez was defacto scum and not just wrong?

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Explicitly, wisdoms play here mirrors his play the last time he was a jester exactly.

LQ's not really wrong that there's a chance of Wisdom powerwolfing here.

so when did Bingle suddenly decide Wisdom could be “powerwolfing” and not jester?

it reads more to me as i should be paranoid on Wisdom and suddenly he puts stock into LQ’s paranoia on Wisdom after pretty much calling him lockscum for most of the game?

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this post stuck out at me because Cakez didn’t actually even make a case and why does Bingle auto assume Cakez was defacto scum and not just wrong?

I asked Cakes if they were SRing Bingle based on Bingle's SR on me (since I think Cakes knows I'm Mislim bait) but I never got a response back from them. Would really have liked to know the answer to that...

yeah, i think that’s exactly what he was doing, wking me in our fight and hard tunnelling you.

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So far my would lim list is imagine and Cakez.

I also don't think MS is jester, but am uninterested in pursuing that elimination.

I agree that LQ isn't likely Jester, not because of the GE replace, (although if I squint I can see the argument he'd be more excited to play if he'd rolled the namesake role I think GE wouldn't let something like that effect her and this is probably just a regular NAI replace) but because he comes across as trying to convince me not to scumread him genuinely.

I also think that imagine is not Jester, given that I'm getting buddying feels there. I'd probably be willing to vote him if LQ wasn't obvscumming so hard.

but actually

VOTE: imaginality

He's a manipulative guy. I feel if he was jester he'd be posting something to gain attention already

Is this based on 8ball? I didn’t get the impression imaginality would have any issues wading in as any alignment so I think saying not jester is potentially premature.

Also I think he lives in or near the land of upside down opera houses, so that might account for posting differences.

How do you feel about cake?

lol, like wtf is this post and i think Bingle is confusing NZ with Aus is amusing.

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Because more time doesnt hurt
Ideally id want some input from clem's slot
But at this point i wont really whine if the lim happens either

i wouldn’t be entirely shocked if he’s not even been following the game.

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Because more time doesnt hurt
Ideally id want some input from clem's slot
But at this point i wont really whine if the lim happens either

i think Bingle is the least likely to be jester and the most likely to flip scum.

does anyone jester read Bingle?

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see i really don’t understand the logic in this. saying, everyone should recognize i’m town is fine but that doesn’t mean my solve is necessarily correct, especially in this type of setup, because obviously jester.

this is why this looks like a pocket to me.

From a mech standpoint, the way town has a chance of winning in a 3v2v1 is to have everyone sheep one person, and hope that person is town. I believe you are town. I'm not as sure on any other read. Those posts (there were a couple where I do this) were an attempt to tell you to trust your reads, not Wisdom's reads, because I'm lowkey concerned that Wisdom is deepwolf atp and if he is and you just listen to him after I die town has no chance of winning.

And we both know that I respect your scumreads, I just think you have a propensity to be pocketed and defend scum entirely too hard.

who do you think is pocketing me and who is the scum i’m defending? well if i strongly disagree with Wisdom on something i’ll stand my ground but why do you think he could be a “deepwolf” now? I thought you were convinced he was jester?

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see i really don’t understand the logic in this. saying, everyone should recognize i’m town is fine but that doesn’t mean my solve is necessarily correct, especially in this type of setup, because obviously jester.

this is why this looks like a pocket to me.

From a mech standpoint, the way town has a chance of winning in a 3v2v1 is to have everyone sheep one person, and hope that person is town. I believe you are town. I'm not as sure on any other read. Those posts (there were a couple where I do this) were an attempt to tell you to trust your reads, not Wisdom's reads, because I'm lowkey concerned that Wisdom is deepwolf atp and if he is and you just listen to him after I die town has no chance of winning.

And we both know that I respect your scumreads, I just think you have a propensity to be pocketed and defend scum entirely too hard.

who do you think is pocketing me and who is the scum i’m defending? well if i strongly disagree with Wisdom on something i’ll stand my ground but why do you think he could be a “deepwolf” now? I thought you were convinced he was jester?

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so when did Bingle suddenly decide Wisdom could be “powerwolfing” and not jester?

it reads more to me as i should be paranoid on Wisdom and suddenly he puts stock into LQ’s paranoia on Wisdom after pretty much calling him lockscum for most of the game?

Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?

I'm not familiar with either of these players very well, but IDK why Wisdom ISN'T considering me as Scum at this point???

Here and also the point where Wisdom was baiting LQ into putting me at E-1.

How does this post make Wisdom a deep wolf? i mean you’ve pretty much spent the entire game hard scumreading LQ?

i thought that was Meg?

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LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for her

yeah it WAS on Meg.

@Bingle

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so who would you want to lim today? i don’t feel LQ is scum. why do you think Meg is voting you?

i probably dislike imaginality’s vote on you the mist since they switched from Meg to LQ to now you if you’re town but he could also be jester.

i also think you sr LQ for being survivalistic is in general nia and in this game non-jester indicative.

so other than me town, what are the rest of your reads?

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Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?

Could be Wis, but I'm like 99% on MS town.

Not sure on Meg, she definitely fits as LQ partner and imagine partner.

MS picks the elim tomorrow and everyone sheeps no questions asked. It's the only way you deal with town not being a true majority.

This is still pretty much where I'm at. I haven't read back to get an idea of who I want to eliminate yet, but I'd probably sheep you on anyone you asked me to. My gut still tells me that LQ is scum, but I need to read a pretty large part of the thread again to reset the read there. Wis probably isn't scum if Meg is.

GTH, if I had to pick a non LQ slot to eliminate right now, it'd be imagine, but I honestly let myself get a little too deep in my tunnel and haven't been reading anyone else as closely as I should've. Probably the only reason I'm so sure on you is that you showed your town fury in your back and forths with LQ pretty vividly.

if i could be sure imaginality wasn’t jester. i’d be fine with it but he seems to be willing to vote almost anyone. if you’re town, maybe Meg is scum but she could also be jester.

i don’t think Clem is scum but i don’t think we can absolutely ruie out jester. fact is no one has any meta on jester!Clemency.

Meg’s urging LQ to hammer Cakez doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me because what’s the essential difference between hammering a jester slot and jester self-hammering, which is why she apparently did that. iow, if she thought Cakez could possibly be jester the whole hammer thing makes no sense.

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If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be, i don’t think he’s scum though based off that scumgame of his Wisdom linked.

his play does seem possibly jestery because i would expect scum!him to effort more. Cakez was obviously not jester.

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So what's your problem with the play again?

i’d be a lot happier if we limmed mafia obviously.

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

then why were you suddenly worried about them being jester?

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be,

You literally agree with me why are we still discussing this

because you keep contradicting yourself. if you thought he could be jester, then why make this statement?
also what made Cakez a good lim anyways, since he was pretty obviously town. LQ probably looks the best on Cakez wagon followed by Wisdom. like i’m not going to high five anyone for pushing town.

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be,

You literally agree with me why are we still discussing this

because you keep contradicting yourself. if you thought he could be jester, then why make this statement?
also what made Cakez a good lim anyways, since he was pretty obviously town. LQ probably looks the best on Cakez wagon followed by Wisdom. like i’m not going to high five anyone for pushing town.

MS, Meg is right. Let me try for a moment:

At deadline you are at E2 and I’m at E2. Neither of us is Jester, but Wisdom doesn’t know that for sure. Wisdom is on neither wagon because he wants Meg eliminated.

Wisdom should choose one of us to eliminate because the alternative is that either of us being Jester loses the game for everyone else. He could be hard townreading both of us, but he still makes that choice because there’s ALWAYS the chance his read is wrong.

no offence Bingle but that isn’t what even happened. Meg wanted to lim Clemency and probably would have if she could have gotten enough votes on him. she is contradicting her stance on Clemency. He can’t both be the best elim and also jester from her PoV.

aren’t both you and Meg now doing the very thing you earlier accused LQ of?

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VOTE: Clem

Can we seriously do this YET!!!

what did you think of my post?

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my argument is she is both saying Clemency lim was best and then saying she asked LQ to hammer Cakez because Clemency might be jester, so which is it?

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be,

You literally agree with me why are we still discussing this

because you keep contradicting yourself. if you thought he could be jester, then why make this statement?
also what made Cakez a good lim anyways, since he was pretty obviously town. LQ probably looks the best on Cakez wagon followed by Wisdom. like i’m not going to high five anyone for pushing town.

MS, Meg is right. Let me try for a moment:

At deadline you are at E2 and I’m at E2. Neither of us is Jester, but Wisdom doesn’t know that for sure. Wisdom is on neither wagon because he wants Meg eliminated.

Wisdom should choose one of us to eliminate because the alternative is that either of us being Jester loses the game for everyone else. He could be hard townreading both of us, but he still makes that choice because there’s ALWAYS the chance his read is wrong.

@LQ because this example isn’t the same as the one being referenced.

obviously because Meg was initially pushing for Clemency and in the hypothetical one, Wisdom isn’t voting either because he wants Meg, so how are those two situations similar?

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be,

You literally agree with me why are we still discussing this

because you keep contradicting yourself. if you thought he could be jester, then why make this statement?
also what made Cakez a good lim anyways, since he was pretty obviously town. LQ probably looks the best on Cakez wagon followed by Wisdom. like i’m not going to high five anyone for pushing town.

MS, Meg is right. Let me try for a moment:

At deadline you are at E2 and I’m at E2. Neither of us is Jester, but Wisdom doesn’t know that for sure. Wisdom is on neither wagon because he wants Meg eliminated.

Wisdom should choose one of us to eliminate because the alternative is that either of us being Jester loses the game for everyone else. He could be hard townreading both of us, but he still makes that choice because there’s ALWAYS the chance his read is wrong.

@LQ because this example isn’t the same as the one being referenced.

obviously because Meg was initially pushing for Clemency and in the hypothetical one, Wisdom isn’t voting either because he wants Meg, so how are those two situations similar?

Okay, I

think

I understand. You are saying Bingle isn't giving the same exact example and you are reading that as Scummy?

i don’t understand how his analogy makes sense because of that.

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be,

You literally agree with me why are we still discussing this

because you keep contradicting yourself. if you thought he could be jester, then why make this statement?
also what made Cakez a good lim anyways, since he was pretty obviously town. LQ probably looks the best on Cakez wagon followed by Wisdom. like i’m not going to high five anyone for pushing town.

MS, Meg is right. Let me try for a moment:

At deadline you are at E2 and I’m at E2. Neither of us is Jester, but Wisdom doesn’t know that for sure. Wisdom is on neither wagon because he wants Meg eliminated.

Wisdom should choose one of us to eliminate because the alternative is that either of us being Jester loses the game for everyone else. He could be hard townreading both of us, but he still makes that choice because there’s ALWAYS the chance his read is wrong.

@LQ because this example isn’t the same as the one being referenced.

obviously because Meg was initially pushing for Clemency and in the hypothetical one, Wisdom isn’t voting either because he wants Meg, so how are those two situations similar?

Okay, I

think

I understand. You are saying Bingle isn't giving the same exact example and you are reading that as Scummy?

i don’t understand how his analogy makes sense because of that.

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Vote Count 1.05

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

SirCakez (5): Clemency, Wisdom, Bingle, MegAzumarill, LicketyQuickety,
Clemency (1): imaginality,
LicketyQuickety (1): Mystik Spiral,
Bingle (1): SirCakez,
imaginality (0):
MegAzumarill (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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Please note, Deadline was not at 11:00 PM. Deadline was at 5 AM. Wis actively lied about when the day was ending to make it seem like swinging the vote was less likely.

@Wisdom, what do you have to say to this?

but why didn’t anyone correct him then? it’s just really stupid to lie about something like this.

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4 hours 44 mins

Im about to sleep so see you on d2 i guess

why couldn’t have Wisdom just got it wrong? it’s just so dumb if this was deliberate. why would Wisdom!scum lie about something he could easily be caught in?

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4 hours 44 mins

Im about to sleep so see you on d2 i guess

why couldn’t have Wisdom just got it wrong? it’s just so dumb if this was deliberate. why would Wisdom!scum lie about something he could easily be caught in?

Could have done it as Jester or mock-Jester.

possibly.

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You can see what Kerset input by quoting his post btw, it will give you the tag

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

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Vote Count 2.04

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bingle (1): MegAzumarill,
MegAzumarill (1): imaginality,
LicketyQuickety (0):
imaginality (0):
Clemency (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(5): Clemency, Mystik Spiral, Bingle, Wisdom, LicketyQuickety,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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2021-12-03 05:00:00 1.00

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00)

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Role PM have been send. I received 8/8 confirmations so far.

Vote Count 1.00

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Mystik Spiral (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Wisdom (0):
Clemency (0):
SirCakez (0):
Bingle (0):
MegAzumarill (0):
imaginality (0):

Not Voting

(8): Mystik Spiral, Gamma Emerald, Wisdom, Clemency, SirCakez, Bingle, MegAzumarill, imaginality

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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It say 5:00 am. here. I am on EST time.

[Mystik Spiral]

4 hours 44 mins

Im about to sleep so see you on d2 i guess

Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:16 pm

@Bingle,

Wisdom is telling the truth.

He made this post at 7:16 pm

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Says 5am for me too and I'm on NZ time

Check 422

Look at the date and time of Wisdom’s post. He isn’t lying.

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Had Bingle actually quoted Wisdom’s post where it could be checked, you could see the exact time he made that post. He is telling the truth here. He didn’t do anything shady.

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According to my time, that actually translates to 12:00 am.

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Vote Count 1.05

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

SirCakez (5): Clemency, Wisdom, Bingle, MegAzumarill, LicketyQuickety,
Clemency (1): imaginality,
LicketyQuickety (1): Mystik Spiral,
Bingle (1): SirCakez,
imaginality (0):
MegAzumarill (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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Please note, Deadline was not at 11:00 PM. Deadline was at 5 AM. Wis actively lied about when the day was ending to make it seem like swinging the vote was less likely.

@Wisdom, what do you have to say to this?

but why didn’t anyone correct him then? it’s just really stupid to lie about something like this.

In the quoted post according to Bingle, that translates to exactly 11:00 pm. How did you miss that @Bingle?

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Vote Count 1.05

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

SirCakez (5): Clemency, Wisdom, Bingle, MegAzumarill, LicketyQuickety,
Clemency (1): imaginality,
LicketyQuickety (1): Mystik Spiral,
Bingle (1): SirCakez,
imaginality (0):
MegAzumarill (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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Please note, Deadline was not at 11:00 PM. Deadline was at 5 AM. Wis actively lied about when the day was ending to make it seem like swinging the vote was less likely.

According to this, Wisdom made his post at exactly 6:16 pm, which means that 4 hrs and 44 minutes would be exactly 11:00 pm. according to your time. It says it right here in the screenshot you posted.

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bingle has modded a lot of games, Im sure if I remember this thing about the countdown from the few games I modded ages ago, he knows it too

yeah, the time of your post was right in that screenshot. However, game continuing onto D4 would obviously mean you can’t be jester. so him calling for your elim on D4 really makes no sense.

it’s definitely suspicious that he did that but why didn’t he blank that out from the shot or can’t you? but yeah, for someone who’s modded lots of games, it looks really suss for this to be an oversight.

but he had to know you or someone would catch this. could he possibly be jester, do you think?

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Vote Count 2.05

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bingle (1): MegAzumarill,
MegAzumarill (1): imaginality,
Clemency (1): LicketyQuickety,
LicketyQuickety (0):
imaginality (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(4): Clemency, Mystik Spiral, Bingle, Wisdom,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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2021-12-03 05:00:00 1.00

see this @Bingle? I quoted the countdown but removed “countdown” from the tags and guess what? It says 5:00 am. again.

like fmpov, how do you think we should interpret this?

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VOTE: meg

Dont see her doing much to get the attention on her again
Prolly safe

But why does that make me scum?

This is a scum-mindset response

no, I’ve asked that question as either alignment, it’s nia.

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rn, i’m the most confident on Wisdom, LQ for town and Clemency isn’t tryharding enough to be scum, i think.

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Why is a jester game such a slog?
In future iterations of this game, everyone should have a PR to up the silliness.
Player 1: must begin each post by exclaiming two vegetables/fruits ("Carrots! Pumpkins! Bingle is scum!")
Player 2: must post a 4-line poem in each post ("Autumn has gone/and now Winter comes/But Bingle and Meg/Are still the scums")
Player 3: must describe an acrobatic act in each post ("Imaginality cartwheels backwards, pirouettes, and points an accusing finger at Meg")
Player 4: must include a joke in each post ("why did the scum cross halfway across the road? To achieve equality with the other side")

Okay maybe not

triple jester is better but my favorite so far was reverse jester nightless.

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Because ive already said numerous times that i think {you, bingle, Imaginality} contain all non-town

Alright but I happen to know that is wrong

Cool convince me the other two arent jesters

Imaginality may be but do you think jester!bingle sees the fake hammer on them and try to act in a townie way?

the shade on Wisdom was so bad, it looks like possible jester? idk. if we’re wrong, who isn’t town then?

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Imaginality may be but do you think jester!bingle sees the fake hammer on them and try to act in a townie way?

elaborate more on this please. Bingle wants a hammer but i don’t really trust Bingle.

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If you think my partner is bingle help me bus and lim me tomorrow

i think Meg is probably townier than Bingle but less likely to be jester. my best guess for jester is probably imaginality.

let’s see four town left: me, probably Wisdom, LQ and maybe Clemency but if one of those is wrong and Clemency continues to be so useless in this game.

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Vote Count 2.05

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bingle (1): MegAzumarill,
MegAzumarill (1): imaginality,
Clemency (1): LicketyQuickety,
LicketyQuickety (0):
imaginality (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(4): Clemency, Mystik Spiral, Bingle, Wisdom,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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so we still have time, so don’t want to rush hammer.

rn, trying to decide between Meg and Bingle. i would much prefer to actually hit scum today if possible.

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If Meg is jester we can assume we've lost. there's no point in dragging this out.

i don’t trust you, so i don’t know if this is some attempt at reverse psychology or i actually should hammer but i think you’re scummier. first you try to shade Wisdom for lying about d1 deadline, now you’re pushing this super hard.

what do you think Wisdom? i’m wondering if Bingle is the better vote here. i’m torn because oroh, he’s much scummier, which means Meg has a better chance of being town but Bingle pushing this so hard makes me wonder if he knows she’s not jester but then the same could be true for her.

gth, Bingle/Meg probably scum and imaginality jester. he was tr her until he became a target, so this looks like bussing to me or maybe possibly a tmi tr if i’m wrong.

Bingle just feels so scummy now.

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VOTE: Bingle

i don’t see how he’s town here.

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The way he’s playing reads more like scum to me than jester. it reminds me of Pink Ball in Triple jester game.

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The way he’s playing reads more like scum to me than jester. it reminds me of Pink Ball in Triple jester game.

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I think Bingle is more involved and tries to attract attention while Meg doesn't really
As you say the most likely scenario is that theyre both scum but Meg feels safer to lim

Meg is more likely to be town tho. my gut is telling me that Bingle probably isn’t. Bingle hardpushed LQ, then shaded you for that deadline thing. The way he was defending Meg, makes me paranoid that he tmi’d her town. I think Bingle is our best chance of hitting scum.

his push on Meg, makes me think he possibly tmi’d her town and if she’s town than that puts us at significant disadvantage. I don’t believe Bingle could be town anymore.

if Meg was scum, I think she’d try a little harder to look jestery wouldn’t she? That’s why I think Bingle is scum. He’s trying to hard to look like jester, ergo, he’s just scum.

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Bingle said you all should sheep me, so that’s who i think is the most likely to flip scum here. Wisdom, you were in triple jester with pb, don’t you think Bingle is playing similarly?

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I do but I cant discount the possibility he's jester

What we need is to lim the least likely jester of the three

i don’t think he’s likely jester. he tried really hard to pocket me, probably hoping it would work and I’d never want to lim him. he’s been opposed to limming her the entire game and has been constantly defending her. suddenly he’s pushing for her hammer? something just doesn’t sound right with that.

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If you think my partner is bingle help me bus and lim me tomorrow

In fact I think bingle's reaction was faked to look like a town that was hammered which wouldn't be congruent with if they are jester

Why does my biggest scumread have to be the one that understands the situation smh

VOTE: meg

Dont see her doing much to get the attention on her again
Prolly safe

But why does that make me scum?

Alright but I happen to know that is wrong

Imaginality may be but do you think jester!bingle sees the fake hammer on them and try to act in a townie way?

i don’t think Meg sounds SvS with Bingle. My main reason for previously thinking this was the case because of him constantly defending her despite her pushing him but he’s too willing to elim her suddenly, which makes me think Meg could be town here, especially if Bingle is scum here.

And idk yet who he’s buddies with but i don’t think it’s with Meg. it possible Clemency could still be jester and imaginality is SvS with Bingle but i more paranoid on imaginality being jester than Bingle. i think flipping Bingle is our best chance of flipping scum.

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Big jester vibes from wisdom

Meg is confirmed not jester.

so why isn’t she trying to be jestery if she’s scum, when she knows she’s at e-1. scum!Meg has a pretty decent scumgame and she’s not being remotely survivalistic, so why do you think that is?

either she’s town or maybe your buddy but i lean the former because everything in me is screaming that you’re scum here.

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If Meg is town then who is scum with Bingle?

imaginality maybe? but we don’t need to worry about that because we need to hit obvscum today which is Bingle.

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let’s make this clear, scum is either survivalistic or bussed. who is being weirdly survivalistic? Bingle. he is completely ignoring my read on him. what does that tell you?

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we limmed town d1, we need to lim scum d2 or we risk losing to scum.

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so why isn’t she trying to be jestery if she’s scum, when she knows she’s at e-1.

Because she cannot act jestery while at e-1? Jester just selfhammers

Big jester vibes from wisdom

Meg is confirmed not jester.

so it’s possible she could stiol be jester but scum needs parity to win, so our best option is still to kill the scummiest slot which is Bingle.

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@Bingle, why no response to my scumread on you?

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ms what are you missing here

Meg cannot emulate a jester play because she's e-1. A jester here would selfhammer.

i’m worried that she’ll flip town and that we’ll be bad for us, so everyone voting Meg, convince me on her being scum and if I agree I’ll hammer.

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let’s make this clear, scum is either survivalistic or bussed. who is being weirdly survivalistic? Bingle. he is completely ignoring my read on him. what does that tell you?

Bingle is busy, and has been for 24 hours, and I’m pretty sure you know that to be true. It’s also pretty easy to fact check for anyone who knows I’m Jingle (read: everyone in the thread).

If I had the time to engage and derail your scumread on me I’d be doing so. But I don’t and there’s a good chance I won’t until the deadline, so I took a gamble on forcing the issue with Meg.

you didn’t comment on it period. i never said you didn’t spend a lot of time doing it, i said you didn’t address it at all.

how much time does it take to say “your read on me is wrong but won’t have sufficient time before deadline to address it”?

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MegAzumarill have been eliminated. Thier role was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

It is now day 3.

i told you she was town and if we lose it’s on all of you for not listening to me.

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Town gon lose.

and who’s fault is that? i was opposed to Meg lim.

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I've been tinfoiling a Mystik/Bingle team.

Don't @ me.

i will @ you because i was the only one trying to stop Meg elim, so you can stuff it.

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Mod notes: Clemency is being replaced

Referring to this, if it was missed

hopefully the replacement is readable but why would he replace out as scum? Scum is just coasting to an easy victory because we just limmed town.

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Re. Bingle's idea that we should pick the towniest player and sheep:

The towniest players are SirCakez and Meg, both conftown.
They both scumread Bingle.

living

and who tried to stop Meg lim and voted Bingle? Me.

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Well then bingle wins i guess

VOTE: Imaginality

what are you doing?

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Bingle is at e-1 ms
If hes jester when hes here he'll win

then who are the scum?

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why did he get so annoyed at me yesterday for sr him then? do you think he faked that? and how do you know that imaginality can’t be bussing or LQ, well obviously not Clemency.

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Lq and Imaginality obv aren't jesters with this vote
Ms is obvtown
Therefore unless its clem looks like its bingle

In case you missed it

+ I doubt clem replaces out as jester so it has to be bingle

i guess it’s possible but if imaginality and LQ aren’t jester then why are they gamethrowing? everyone would lose but Bingle if he’s jester.

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Because of jester poe ms

Literally nothing before today matters when LQ, Imaginality and Clem are not trying to be limd today

right i see your point, it has to be Bingle then.

but they will lose, so why tf aren’t they unvoting him then?

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Vote Count 1.05

With 8 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate.

SirCakez (5): Clemency, Wisdom, Bingle, MegAzumarill, LicketyQuickety,
Clemency (1): imaginality,
LicketyQuickety (1): Mystik Spiral,
Bingle (1): SirCakez,
imaginality (0):
MegAzumarill (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-26 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

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Vote Count 2.07

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

MegAzumarill (4): imaginality, Wisdom, Bingle, LicketyQuickety,
Bingle (2): MegAzumarill, Mystik Spiral,
Clemency (0):
LicketyQuickety (0):
imaginality (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(1): Clemency,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

Clemency is being replaced

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But idk why im trying to convince you, youre not the one voting

Unless lq or Imaginality unvotes before bingle shows up ill be proven right or wrong soon

if we vote out town, we also lose right? we need to keep three townies alive, so we lose unless we lim scum.

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But idk why im trying to convince you, youre not the one voting

Unless lq or Imaginality unvotes before bingle shows up ill be proven right or wrong soon

actually no, because we need 4 votes to elim with 6 players right? so he can’t self-hammer unless he gets another vote on him.

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but they will lose, so why tf aren’t they unvoting him then?

The only thing I can think of is they for some reason think me or you is the jester and Bingle is town
I see this more in a lq/clem team world because I think Imaginality would know better, but idk at this point

i guess that could explain it. probably one of the Bingle voters is scum. i’m going to review d1 vcs.

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Vote Count 3.00

With

6

votes in play, it takes

4

to eliminate.

Bingle (0):
Clemency (0):
LicketyQuickety (0):
imaginality (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(6): Clemency, imaginality, Wisdom, Bingle, LicketyQuickety, Mystik Spiral,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-09 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

Clemency is being replaced

yep 4

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Vote Count 2.03

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

LicketyQuickety (1): imaginality,

Bingle (1): MegAzumarill,

imaginality (1): LicketyQuickety,

MegAzumarill (0):
Clemency (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(4): Clemency, Mystik Spiral, Bingle, Wisdom,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

Clemency got prodded

could this be the smoking gun? and scum is imaginality/LQ and this was an obvious attempt to distance?

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How about no. To all of you. Especially Mystik and Wisdom.

Wisdom is Jester and Mystik is Bingle's Scum buddy.

How blind are you? i tried to stop town!Meg’s miselim because i’m gamethrowing scum and you’re either scum or godawful at mafia.

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I guess not much changes

I still think Clem is unlikely to replace out as jester and I still think LQ and Imaginality are not likely jesters when they follow the quicklim strategy and vote the person you want
So that still leaves Bingle as the jester
The only real thing that changes is that it wasn't as dangerous as I thought for scum LQ/Imaginality to vote Bingle as they don't lose immediately if Bingle is jester

So I still prefer Imaginality

if you’re convinced Clemency is town and Bingle, jester yeah probably imaginality/LQ because it makes no sense for anyone who’s town to think i’m scum after i tried to save Meg. srs on me now can only come from a scum mindset.

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I don't see either of you voting Bingle.

i’m fine with yeeting him off the planet if he survives to d4.

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I guess not much changes

I still think Clem is unlikely to replace out as jester and I still think LQ and Imaginality are not likely jesters when they follow the quicklim strategy and vote the person you want
So that still leaves Bingle as the jester
The only real thing that changes is that it wasn't as dangerous as I thought for scum LQ/Imaginality to vote Bingle as they don't lose immediately if Bingle is jester

So I still prefer Imaginality

if you’re convinced Clemency is town and Bingle, jester yeah probably imaginality/LQ because it makes no sense for anyone who’s town to think i’m scum after i tried to save Meg. srs on me now can only come from a scum mindset.

Yep and the quick votes on Bingle could be ensuring plurality is on their side
Like even if you voted Imaginality with me Bingle would still get lim'd as it is
We'd need Clem/replacement to win out plurality

yeah, i should be locktown after Meg flip but LQ is inexplicably trying to push me as scum and imaginality is making it a point of not tr me, eventhough I was clearly trying to lim Bingle yesterday.

if they push me, you will 100% know they’re scumclaiming.

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that’s literally the only good news that Clemency is getting replaced because his inactivity would cause a town loss either way.

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VOTE: imaginality

i could also vote LQ but this is insurance that they won’t switch to me and ensure a scum win. i would much rather lose to jester than mafia if i had to choose.

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Mystik please quote where I'm "making a point of not tr-ing" you

I voted yoiu because Wisdom did, I would have voted LQ if he was voting him. LQ is trying to push a me/Bingle team and if the two of you were to decide to switch to me, town autoloses. i’m okay with voting out Bongle if i’m sure he isn’t jester but i don’t trust LQ because his read on me if town makes 0 sense.

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yeah, i should be locktown after Meg flip but LQ is inexplicably trying to push me as scum and imaginality is making it a point of not tr me, eventhough I was clearly trying to lim Bingle yesterday.

if they push me, you will 100% know they’re scumclaiming.

Why have you gone from wanting to lim Bingle yesterday to not wanting to lim Bingle until D4 today?

i’m worried he’s jester. if not you, LQ. I think at least one of you has to be scum here because i know i’m town here.

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Mystik please quote where I'm "making a point of not tr-ing" you

i’m not sure but LQ made me paranoid and you said to sheep Cakez and Meg but not me. had you all listened to me about Meg, we might not be in this predicament.

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If Mystik and/or LQ are scum after me eventually coming round to reading their stubbornness on D1 as town, I'm going to be annoyed with myself for not sticking on them.

I’m not scum. scum!me doesn’t try to save Meg yesterday.

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If anything though, I think Clem's less likely to have replaced out as scum rather than jester.

Based on what? From what I know of Clem he'd be having fun as jester and he def wouldnt replace out
He *would* totally do that as town

i agree because he would have tried harder as jester and as scum he’d be in a terrific spot, so his play makes the most sense as town here.

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I I said scum not town.
I know nothing of him, I'm just going by the game state and the chance of this being a scum victory are higher than it being a jester victory so I think there's more temptation for someone to try to stick around as scum.

if you’re town, then who is scum/jester, we need to figure this out.

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VOTE: Bingle

Don’t have the energy to wifom it.

GG wp. Honestly thought I was fucked for a while.

Bingle is once again trying to fake hammer, don’t fall for it. he’s trying to trick someone into hammering him.

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Wisdom, i think imaginality is more likely to be town than LQ but still paranoid.

Anastasia, please don’t vote yet. we don’t want to rush this day. imaginality, if you vote LQ, i might switch to that. i think his progression on me doesn’t make sense as town but we shouldn’t get more than two votes on him either i until we figure this out.

Anastasia, please don’t hammer in case Bingle is jester. i’m obvtown by play, i think you and Wisdom probably are as well. if i’m wrong on either imaginality or LQ than i’m wrong on someone.

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I don't understand why Bingle would claim to be Jester if he is the Jester?

Doesn't this make it impossible for him to win?

one of two possibilities: either he misread the gamestate and believed he was mistakenly self-hammering or it’s a trick to get one of you, me, Wisdom to hammer him.

he is definitely not town and if we can figure out one scum today, and if he doesn’t leave the game, he 100% dies d4 if we get it right.

Wisdom thinks it’s imaginality > LQ. rn i lean the converse but not sure. that’s why we shouldn’t rush this.

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I don't understand why Bingle would claim to be Jester if he is the Jester?

Doesn't this make it impossible for him to win?

Wrong answer.

VOTE: Anastasia

why? and if that was some insane wifom and you’re actually town here - doubt - who is her buddy then?

if Anastasia’s scum and you’re town, why didn’t she just hammer you then?

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wut

did bingle think he was e-1

i have no idea.

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I don't understand why Bingle would claim to be Jester if he is the Jester?

Doesn't this make it impossible for him to win?

he either thought he's e-1 and won or hes scum fooling around

probably but i don’t understand why he voted Anastasia.

that made no sense to me.

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Wisdom thinks it’s imaginality > LQ. rn i lean the converse but not sure. that’s why we shouldn’t rush this.

tbh im getting a little paranoid about imaginality every time I think of it
If you want LQ we can do LQ

VOTE: LQ

still only one of you should sheep this.

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maybe he wants to provoke her to vote him back?

maybe? then he can self-hammer? i think he’s jester who thought he self-hammered and is now trying to convince us he’s scum.

but yeah, i think you nailed it, he’s trying to get her to put him at e-1, so he can self-hammer.

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Possibility 1: I am attempting to prevent my elimination today as town because my elimination is the only one I know for certain loses me the game and I have a 40% chance of any other elimination keeping the game going.

you could be hammered by scum there with what you did
youre definitely not town

Regardless, Ana perspective slipped by not considering that I could be scum here.

what?
She basically argued that what you did makes you not jester
How is she not considering scum-you

+1

exactly, i don’t see how she perspective slipped.

Bingle isn’t town and is probably jester trying to provoke Ana to put him at e-1 so he can self-hammer.
why else would he be voting her?

or if that’s wrong, then he’s deliberately avoiding not voting his buddy to antispew.

but i think he’s probably just jester.

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And if anything you perspective slipped because you're not considering she could be jester

yeah, he’s probably jester then.

but if we’re wrong, we should try to figure out who his buddy could be if he’s actually scum, that’s probably the safer play.

if we hit scum today, we kill Bingle tomorrow just in case. because i could also see scum!Bingle voting Anastasia as antidpew as well.

so i think LQ is probably safer than imaginality. LQ pushing me as scum makes 0 sense after I tried to save Meg, so that’s probably the safest vote, i think.

still Anastasia shouldn’t vote yet just in case until we figure this out.

i still think Bingle is most likely to be jester since both LQ and imaginality were voting him and Bingle not considering the possibility that Ana could be jester probably seals it for me.

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It feels like Bingle is trying to get me to vote him now

yep exactly. or he’s scum trying to wifom us into thinking imaginality is his buddy maybe or scum could just be LQ/imaginality. if LQ flips red and Bingle is still alive d4, then he’s probably LQ’s buddy.

LQ hammered Meg and also Cakez and probably really does think Wisdom is jester.

imaginality wasn’t on Cakez, so i think LQ is has the most scum equity for pushing me, probably?

if not he’s one of the worst scumhunters i’ve ever seen but way more likely, he’s probably just scum here.

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yep LQ is never jester here

LQ/Imaginality with Bingle jester (most likely)

or

LQ/Bingle with Imaginality jester (with Bingle doing random stuff as scum to avoid the lim)

Either way we lim LQ, see who dies, and lim the other

yeah, probably. i was shocked that he hammered Meg after calling her town for most of thr game.

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Mystik please quote where I'm "making a point of not tr-ing" you

i’m not sure but LQ made me paranoid and you said to sheep Cakez and Meg but not me. had you all listened to me about Meg, we might not be in this predicament.

Cakez and Meg are conf town by flip.
You might very well be town also, but with them I know for sure their reads are from a town pov.

I do see you as towniest out of the living players aside from me though.

I only voted you out of paranoia that LQ would try to flip it on me and we’d lose. We don’t lose if we’re wrongly jester reading Bingle if we lim his buddy today and my best guess for that if he’s scum and not jester is LQ.

If scum and not jester, Bingle seemed to really believe his case on LQ, which would only happen if he’s either jester or they’re buddies.

We need to figure out which two players are most likely to be scum and not jester and for me, the scummiest players are LQ and Bingle.

Wisdom isn’t acting like jester and Anastasia doesn’t make sense as scum due to Clemency getting replaced. Scum rn has the best shot at winning this and Clemency not caring points to not being scum.

Bingle has more jester equity than LQ I think, so I think he’s probably a safer lim than Bingle. If Bingle doesn’t die today, we lim him tomorrow for the win.

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you could be hammered by scum there with what you did
youre definitely not town

I mean... I could have. Theoretically. But again, scum is just as scared of limming Jester as town is.

The tl;dr is that I either am Jester or want people to think I'm Jester.

If you’re not jester why are you voting Anastasia?

gtmh, I think LQ pushing us as buddies looks like a scumclaim to me.

And why are you not trying to find the jester if it isn’t you?

My best current guess is you’re either jester or scum with LQ. Why does town!LQ call me scum with you after I tried to stop Meg lim? How does that thought ever come from town?

So your vote on Anastasia doesn’t look townie to me and I don’t think LQ’s progression on me makes sense if he’s town here.

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I'm Scum with Bingle. That's the most insane take I've heard all game.

No that would be you thinking I’m scum here with ANYONE after I tried to stop Meg elim.

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gtmh, I think LQ pushing us as buddies looks like a scumclaim to me.

It's not considering Wisdom is the one Town Casing you all game and I think Wisdom is Jester, so...

He’s apparently the only one from imaginality/you who’s correctly reading me. I should be locktown to whomever if either of you are town here for that, so it makes no sense that I’m not. Why does scum me ever try to stop Meg elim here? Answer that.

Meg had me as her strongest tr for a very good reason.

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If it's not Bingle it's Mystik-Wisdom. Or Wisdom-Anastasia.

-LQ is happy to lim Bingle
-I am happy to lim Bingle
-if Bingle isn't scum, scum could have hammered him when he was on E-1 so scum must be worried he's jester

So to me Mystik that points only towards {you, Wisdom, Anastasia} .

So why weren’t either of you worried about that? Wisdom obviously cannnot be jester here, so Bingle makes the most sense.

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Maybe we should switch to imaginality? I could see possibly associatives with Bingle but we can’t hit town or we lose. but LQ doesn’t seem terribly upset with the votes, so maybe we switch back to imaginality?

Do you think that Bingle’s just trying to trick us into thinking he’s jester?

I still think that he was trying to fool us into thinking he was probably antispewing.

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Nah lq is not jester ms

but is he town? we can’t lim town or jester. that’s why Meg shouldn’t have been limmed because then we could risk that but we lose if he’s town.

gth, maybe the reason that both were pushing Bingle is maybe one is jester and the other is bussing?

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I think LQ could be town, so jester isn’t our only worry.

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I kinda hate Elo because it feels like the whole rest of the game doesn't matter. But at the same time, it's easier to get reads that way too.

do you think imaginality could be Bingle’s buddy?

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If it's not Bingle it's Mystik-Wisdom. Or Wisdom-Anastasia.

-LQ is happy to lim Bingle
-I am happy to lim Bingle
-if Bingle isn't scum, scum could have hammered him when he was on E-1 so scum must be worried he's jester

So to me Mystik that points only towards {you, Wisdom, Anastasia} .

Town can worry about that too. The fact that you are this certain of this makes me think you’re scum or jester. Why aren’t you at all paranoid about LQ and vice-versa?

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but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

We should have voted off Clem when we had the chance.

If Ana/Clem and Bingle were scum and you town, then why aren’t you dead?

You and imaginality continuing to push Bingle as scum makes no sense.

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Mystik, here me out here...

What if it's just Bingle and Wisdom and Wisdom has us pocketed so bad we can't see straight?

Then we’re fucked.

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So now its either deadline or one of you just hammer because youre not winning this

We can’t afford to rush this.

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Isn't that already hammer?
Mystik, Wisdom, LQ, Anastasia?

LQ self-voted? Where?

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UNVOTE:

I’m not rushing this.

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@Mystik, you realize I bet the game that you are Town here, right?

You were pushing me earlier as either buddies with Wisdom or Bingle, so what changed?

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Vote Count 3.01

With 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Bingle (2): LicketyQuickety, imaginality,
imaginality (2): Wisdom, Mystik Spiral,
Anastasia (0):
LicketyQuickety (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(2): Anastasia, Bingle,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-09 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

Anastasia replaces Clemency

We’re nowhere near deadline.

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Mystik you should vote for LQ just to get the votes to three

nobody is going to hammer LQ because LQ is mafia

VOTE: LQ

Yeah both imaginality and LQ only tr me when I’m voting them.

Yeah, it’s at e - 3.

Bingle won’t hammer because he loses.

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Anastasia, I’m extremely glad you replaced Clemency.

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Mystik you should vote for LQ just to get the votes to three

nobody is going to hammer LQ because LQ is mafia

VOTE: LQ

Yeah both imaginality and LQ only tr me when I’m voting them.

Yeah, it’s at e - 3.

Bingle won’t hammer because he loses.

e-1.

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Isn't that already hammer?
Mystik, Wisdom, LQ, Anastasia?

imaginality trying to mislead us with this.

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@Mystik, you realize I bet the game that you are Town here, right?

blatant pocketing attempt after pushing me as scum earlier and only because Ana and Wisdom are both voting him.

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imaginality so tricksy!

He definitely is. I hope my unvoting doesn’t cause us to lose but you’re right, I need to stay on LQ before imaginality switches his vote to you. Sorry about that.

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But I think we’re good with being the only wagon with 3 votes. Bingle would probably unvote in any case.

Tomorrow we lim imaginality for the win or he should probably just concede.

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He really should've bussed rather than hard-defend so we can actually play mafia and figure out who the last one is.

Hard-defending made it too obvious

I feel like I almost didn't even get to play.

Good Night MS!

Yeah, well I’m just really glad you finally did.

You too.

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Cmon bingle/Imaginality dont make us wait 5 days 20 hours

+1

He really should've bussed rather than hard-defend so we can actually play mafia and figure out who the last one is.

Hard-defending made it too obvious

I feel like I almost didn't even get to play.

Good Night MS!

I’m not moving my vote again. You two (LQ/imaginality made it blatantly obvious, as did Bingle).

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Vote Count 2.03

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate.

LicketyQuickety (1): imaginality,

Bingle (1): MegAzumarill,

imaginality (1): LicketyQuickety,

MegAzumarill (0):
Clemency (0):
Mystik Spiral (0):
Wisdom (0):

Not Voting

(4): Clemency, Mystik Spiral, Bingle, Wisdom,

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-12-03 05:00:00).

Mod notes:

Clemency got prodded

They did very briefly cross bus for about a split second.

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No.

VOTE: Clem

Feel better here.

Clem is no longer part of this game

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LicketyQuickety have been eliminated. Thier role was

Vanilla Townie

Day 3 has ended and

jester

has failed to get eliminated.

Bingle

loses and leaves the game .
It leaves us with Anastasia, Wisdom, Mystik Spiral, imaginality.

Mafia

achieved their win condition.

Anastasia

and

Wisdom

wins.

Mystik Spiral

and

imaginality

gets endgamed.

Should have listened to Meg but we should have limmed Clem not Cakez.

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Ugh Bingle. I could've talked Mystik round over the next few days.
Oh well. At least I figured out the scum team even if it was too late.
Well played scum!

I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

Both of you should have realized that I was locktown after the Meg thing. You continuing to suspect me as scum made me think you guys were scum. Like there’s absolutely no good reason I try to stop Meg elim ever as scum here. I could see you guys suspecting me as possible jester for that, since jester would want to have limmed scum, since town already died D1 but there is absolutely no possible scum motivation for doing that.

I would have preferred to let jester win. Oh well. This is probably the first jester game I’m aware of where scum won.

gg Wisdom, Anastasia.

Thanks for modding Kerset. I think had Gamma not repped out it might have changed things because he seemed pretty townie.

Bingle, I think you were pretty obviously jester to me by your play last day but if you had said, “yes, I’m jester but the scumteam is Wisdom, Anastasia”, I might have listened to you, because you would have no reason to try to deceive me atp.

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Guess you're never trusting me again now ):

I really did think you were town but I had some reservations after Meg flip. If imaginality and LQ didn’t sr me post Meg flip, I might have re-evaluated it.

I thought Anastasia was a bit scummy but based off of that game you linked. I thought your Clem read made sense.

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I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

I wanted Clem limmed at various times too. If we'd gone for Clem over Cakez at D1 deadline this game would have gone very differently

Yeah we absolutely should have. Jester paranoia matters but Cakez was really obvtown here. And so was Meg at the time she was being wagoned but we still would have lost limming Bingle.

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Bingle, I think you were pretty obviously jester to me by your play last day but if you had said, “yes, I’m jester but the scumteam is Wisdom, Anastasia”, I might have listened to you, because you would have no reason to try to deceive me atp.

Posting at all meant I couldn’t win, so I asked for permission to concede and then conceded. It honestly didn’t matter which faction I was conceding to.

But you helped scum by hammering LQ. You didn’t have to do that. :/

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I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

I wanted Clem limmed at various times too. If we'd gone for Clem over Cakez at D1 deadline this game would have gone very differently

Yeah we absolutely should have. Jester paranoia matters but Cakez was really obvtown here. And so was Meg at the time she was being wagoned but we still would have lost limming Bingle.

Meg was basically limmed because of Cakes going over as Town.

Yeah but she was pretty obvtown by the time she was wagoned.

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But you helped scum by hammering LQ. You didn’t have to do that. :/

I helped the notLQ faction. And it wasn’t to spite LQ either, which I’m pretty sure he knows.I didn’t particularly care which faction it was, just that for me it was game ending.

But I’m upset about you helping scum win. you should have stayed our of it then.

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But you helped scum by hammering LQ. You didn’t have to do that. :/

I helped the notLQ faction. And it wasn’t to spite LQ either, which I’m pretty sure he knows.I didn’t particularly care which faction it was, just that for me it was game ending.

But I’m upset about you helping scum win. you should have stayed our of it then.

I also think had you hypothetically hammered Ana that would have been unfair to scum as well, so I’m more upset about that than us losing.

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But I’m upset about you helping scum win. you should have stayed our of it then.

I mean... Functionally that's what I did.

If it helps, look at it this way. I conceded. There were then 5 people alive, with 3 voting for LQ and LQ died.

Expecting me, as not town, to townside by trying to figure out people's alignments would be unfair to scum. Expecting me, as not town, to sit in a game that I literally had a 0% chance to win and post periodically would be unfair to me. I asked for permission to concede and conceded. I'm not sorry, and I'm not magically going to become sorry.

And again, I wasn't helping any specific faction win. I was removing myself from a game where I had no chance to win. There's a reason any competent mod has a 3rd party whose win con becomes unachievable ripcord out of the game.

That isn’t what I’m saying, you did in fact take a side when you hammered LQ, now it’s obviously your right to do that as jester but had you been in a position to have hammered Ana, I think the scumteam would likely feel the same way but it’s worse in this case because as imaginality stated, you robbed us of a possible chance to have changed the outcome. Maybe that wouldn’t have happened anyway but you stole our chance of finding that out. Maybe you think I’m being unfair to you but if you’re professing to be Switzerland then you shouldn’t have hammered ANYONE. I have a right to be upset because we’ll never know if that hammer cost us the game or not, because you didn’t give us the chance to find that out.

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I thought Anastasia was a bit scummy but based off of that game you linked. I thought your Clem read made sense.

No idea why you thought that

Clem did nothing in that game and won, exactly like here

That's why reading games you havent played is deceitful

No in the game you linked he was kind’ve a tryhard, so I really did think he was playing differently here.

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While I'm annoyed Bingle didn't give us longer, I don't think it was unfair exactly. At least, there's the counterargument that 'if Bingle were to vanish from the game right now, the three votes on LQ would be hammer with five players, so Bingle hammering is effectively the same as just vanishing from the game'.

Dunno why I let myself get talked out of going for Clem. I nearly did start today voting Clem rather than Bingle but didn't think Clem deserved to win if Jester.

Well maybe I’m over reacting but perhaps you hit the nail on the head with this. Had he given us say another couple of days and nothing had changed, I would probably have been okay with it. I just think that because his game was done, it didn’t necessarily justify him prematurely ending either town’s or scum’s chances and I still feel salty that we didn’t get the chance to find out if a couple of days might have changed things. I probably would have unvoted had I known he would hammer that soon. I didn’t put LQ at e-1 to get him hammered immediately but to prevent you and LQ to flash voting Ana who I wrongly tr. Like if Bingle was the third vote on LQ and Wisdom hammered, I don’t think I’d be that upset.