Open 835: D6 | Songs About Ronald Reagan | Day 5

[Egix96]

VOTE: Roden

Revenge.

[Egix96]

Since we don't have an Innocent Child I am making myself the honorary Innocent Child. I am now confirmed town.
No need to thank me

Nice try, scum.
VOTE: Azumarill

[Egix96]

Since we don't have an Innocent Child I am making myself the honorary Innocent Child. I am now confirmed town.
No need to thank me

Nice try, scum.
VOTE: Azumarill

Imagine voting the confirmed innocent

viewtopic.php?p=11291164#p11291164
What your post reminded me of.

[Egix96]

Smh, what is up with people trying to end the day early...
Phone posting rn, but later I wanna take a closer look at all that happened last night.

[Egix96]

I'm gonna unvote before this turns into a Thing
UNVOTE:

Considering no other things have happened or are happening, I say thing it up. Why is your vote better off the wagon than on it?

I'm trying to be a

little

more selective in my thinging

VOTE: gamma

that's me, being selective

Come on, that had to have been deliberate.

VOTE: redtea

Also Enchant wtf are you doing

I wanted quickhammer, but changed mind when noticed Mag was upset, and decided to hold for now.

Ok, but why do you want a quick hammer? And why is Meg posting emojis enough to stop you from quick hammering?

Why not?

Idk, honestly. Seems like i turned in wimp with high empathy when i am sleepy. Mostly i really don't care.

Why i am not sleeping?

Weeeeeeell! I need to go now seems.

This is also terrible.

Side note: Roden is prob town for actually having common sense around the whole quickhammer situation, and also Azumarill to a lesser extent.

[Egix96]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Eh, I feel like his reaction to being wagoned was slightly more towny than not. I'm curious as to why he leans scum on me though, and also Roden implicitly agreeing.

[Egix96]

Ah sry, missed that.

Somewhat agree with this. Shutting down early quick hammers is low effort town cred for scum, and doesn't even consider the possibility that Gamma could be my buddy and that I was trying to save him. That shouldn't really be seen as town indicative.

Egix, do you have a read on Gamma?

The thing is that, if Gamma were scum then how the heck did they almost get yeeted within the first five pages? That was my line of reasoning for thinking who looked good/bad out of the whole situation.
But yeah, apart from agreeing with Gamma's reads on red/enchant, there's nothing else posting-wise I can discern alignment from yet.

[Egix96]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Eh, I feel like his reaction to being wagoned was slightly more towny than not. I'm curious as to why he leans scum on me though, and also Roden implicitly agreeing.

My read on you was pretty much entirely based on your 166. I'm not seeing the throughline of logic or emotion for you to land on a vote for redtea or TRs for Roden/Meg. Which to me smells like scum trying to fake reads.

More recently, I don't like 235. Gamma ultimately

wasn't

yeeted, which I think is much more telling than

almost

getting yeeted. (not you, Almost )

Egix, do you have any opinions on Enchant getting pissed off by his wagon? I have thoughts but I'd like to hear yours first.

Yes, I am totally going to post exactly how I'm feeling at every step /s. This is why reading people based on "progression" is often flawed.

Regarding Enchant, I really don't mean to sound insensitive by saying this, but I don't feel like he's actually that peed off? I mean, otherwise he wouldn't be joking about anime/weebs, and what else would he expect his scumreads to do apart from pushing back against him?

[Egix96]

VOTE: Egix

Let's see how this goes

iirc he voted me without explanation and then peaced out
VOTE: egix

I thought you were trying to set up a quickhammer while making it look like an accident, that's hardly no reason. What I wanna know from the others is why that theory didn't catch on.

More soon, still reading.

[Egix96]

Sigh I feel like I'm getting nowhere. NumberQ has the best posting imo, in a vacuum it would have been Roden instead but I'm too paranoid.
Penguin's ISO is the most underwhelming. He seems more invested in chiming in to say barely-helpful things than actually producing content.

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Egix96]

Sigh I feel like I'm getting nowhere. NumberQ has the best posting imo, in a vacuum it would have been Roden instead but I'm too paranoid.
Penguin's ISO is the most underwhelming. He seems more invested in chiming in to say barely-helpful things than actually producing content.

VOTE: PenguinPower

Penguin had the opportunity to unvote Gamma and prevent a N_M quickhammer, but didn't take it. Do you think this means anything about Gamma's alignment if Penguin is scum?

Would make Gamma more likely town imo.

[Egix96]

I get the feeling that if Penguin were scum, he'd be efforting, but I dunno. Definitely not impressed.

Admittedly that does give me pause yeah.

[Egix96]

What the fuck? Every post in that interaction felt hugely disproportionate to the emotional reaction warranted to what was actually being said. I don't know if you guys both have weird chips on your shoulders or what. Tempted to say TvT but I don't know, getting a pingy feeling that it's all highly performative and you could be SvS.

In the case of it being TvS, which one would you lean as the S?

[Egix96]

VOTE: Egix

Let's see how this goes

iirc he voted me without explanation and then peaced out
VOTE: egix

I thought you were trying to set up a quickhammer while making it look like an accident, that's hardly no reason. What I wanna know from the others is why that theory didn't catch on.

More soon, still reading.

It kind of did-ish until it didn't. Looking back, you did say as much, but you didn't push it. The confidence in the post where you voted me feels at odds with your subsequent actions, or lack thereof.

Sigh I feel like I'm getting nowhere. NumberQ has the best posting imo, in a vacuum it would have been Roden instead but I'm too paranoid.
Penguin's ISO is the most underwhelming. He seems more invested in chiming in to say barely-helpful things than actually producing content.

VOTE: PenguinPower

You're not wrong but. Why are you dodging the above?

That's because I phrased it as more confident than I actually was in the hope that it would make something happen. Then afterwards I ended up becoming a bit disengaged due to RL stuff.

[Egix96]

so you mean it was more like a reaction test?

Yeah kinda. It's a strat I often use in earlygame.

[Egix96]

Spoiler: offtopic

As you bus him* should have checked first but I didnt remember so I used them, sorry

It's okay I don't mind

[Egix96]

VOTE: egix

cw

Please don't

[Egix96]

And I’ll be honest idk how to read Egix

Well that's surprising

[Egix96]

mine

[Egix96]

Why does twilight posting matter?

I think scum have a tendency not to post in twilight and just let town wifom themselves.

I was asleep at the time

[Egix96]

I will try to re-evaluate things later

[Egix96]

meg's dead

[Egix96]

I tried re-reading the game, but it's just bleh. I don't see any reason to vote Egix other than he was the Counterwagon.

I did find one post where A50 was solving.

I'm not understanding why numberQ listed himself as scum in his reads list but I don't know that scum actually does that.

I wasn't real hip on Roden's post about having to force conversation, but

I don't see much reason to scum read him

and I think he came out townie at EOD2.

Redtea I thought might be scum, but I don't think scum loses track of the votes on Gamma Emerald.

I need to figure out where that leaves my POE.

I think the only way we figure this out is if we run some people up, and that's one of the reasons I voted A50.

2. Yeah I think I saw it too.
3. I always thought that was just a joke tbf.
4. Agreed with bolded. Also I think I might be able to clear him for top-posting, since although he did post a lot as scum in my recent Newbie game, he was 5th overall.
5. You don't think they could've just lied about that?
7. Yeah, I'm feeling like this might be one of those situations where we need to yeet a low-content slot in order to prepare for Elo.
Starting with:
VOTE: NotMafia

I'm actually very surprised that he has managed to last this long without being scrutinised despite having so little content.

[Egix96]

RH9 replaces Gamma Emerald.

Game is in your hands now, no pressure

[Egix96]

Looking through Galron's posts. He seems to be solving. I am going to say that he is Town. Roden has a strong scumgame from memory. Will read through his posts.

At least I heard that Roden has a strong scumgame.

Despite the mixup you are still not wrong there.

[Egix96]

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

You do realise that if I were scum, it would have been +ev for me to lolhammer you? Sure, that would have been outing, but it ensures you would've died before me.

numberq/Egix

, how do you feel about the others' wagon and potential lim?

I doubt number flips scum here. Roden's logic for voting him was flawed as has already been mentioned, so it astounds me that three people just silently followed it. (No, saying "sure" doesn't count.)

The play here is to follow my vote because otherwise I don't think there's any chance we hit scum.

[Egix96]

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

On D1 I was townleaning Gamma for heuristic reasons and not much has happened regarding that slot to change that.
On D2 I had number as my top TR after doing some re-reading. Ofc I still TR him it's just that I have lost a bit of confidence in my reads since Penguin flipped town.

[Egix96]

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Just jump on in Taly. You'll fall asleep reading.

How do you feel about eliminating Galron, then? I feel better about Roden then Galron.
VOTE: Galron for coordinating the 'miselimination'.

Assuming Galron is Scum; why do you think he voted numberQ over Egix?

I'd like to hear RH9's answer to this.

Actually good question. VOTE: Egix96 for today. I guess that maybe it will make more sense if Galron, is Town.

To be fair, if Egix96 is Mafia, we can vote Roden next.

The conversation right now is mostly about the wagons that are currently happening, so probably necessary to at least read the current day. Beyond that, this game has honestly been pretty slow.

pedit: Well I'm voting Egix and have been SRing him since day 1. I think his lim will help build associations on Roden and/or Galron. Maaaybe RH9, though at the moment I think that's a flimsier connection. I've talked about this in previous posts this day.

Hmm. I don't know, I still like Egix for the lim. Their play has been scummier than Roden and Galron imo. Plus, them flipping scum will give us a lot more info than one of the other two flipping scum, at least in terms of lending validity to my theory. Maybe there are other associations that a Roden or Galron flip would shed light on that I'm not thinking of.

Well, if Egix96 is Mafia, then are you suggesting that Roden and Galron aren't Town. Honestly, Galron feels more Towny now.

Walk me through this. Explain to me like I haven't been born yet what changed your mind from voting Galron in 831 to get to a "more towny feel" in 844

Omg I was going to ask the same thing. He even started off with a tr on galron too.

[Egix96]

<3 galron

Egix

, can you talk about your

numberq/gamma

read progression from early game to now? I noted both slots racked a lot of votes and you didn't jump on either wagon from what I've read.

On D1 I was townleaning Gamma for heuristic reasons and not much has happened regarding that slot to change that.

On D2 I had number as my top TR after doing some re-reading. Ofc I still TR him it's just that I have lost a bit of confidence in my reads since Penguin flipped town.

No opinion on

RH9

?

number

was voting you D2 - so what's the connection between your loss of confidence and

PP

townflip?

It's because I was wrong for thinking pp would flip scum. The confidence drop applies to my reads as a whole, not just my one on numberQ

[Egix96]

Actually, I changed my mind on Egix96. Egix96 mentioned that Roden had a strong scumgame when I confused his scumgame with Prism's and Wisdom's.
VOTE: Egix96

I get a feeling that Egix96 wouldn't have mentioned Roden's scumgame at all if he was Town. (I'm talking about if Egix96 was Town.) I feel like Egix96 seems awfully pockety. And I apologise for realising this earlier. That being said, Roden's lack of posting is giving me Town vibes because Roden is usually very active as Mafia.

Really? I recently played a Newbie game with Roden where he had me fooled pretty much the whole way through.

VOTE: RH9

Not gonna die to this bs.

[Egix96]

I also hope that Egix96 isn't angry either due to 884 and misinterpreting his intentions

Nah I'm good, it was just the first thing I saw when I woke up so I panicked.

VOTE: NM

[Egix96]

egix, what about rh9's 992 pacified you?

His explanation for the misunderstanding seemed plausible (I presume you disagree?), I had had some time to cool off so I could think more rationally and I no longer needed to self-pres.

[Egix96]

VOTE: ssbm kyouko

I'm not sold on Galron tbf, what does A50 have that is clearing for him?

[Egix96]

I don't even know why numberQ is being wagoned. I also notice that Roden and Galron moved there after having been on me. What's the deal with this? And why is N_M already voting (rather than the usual "wait for the lol!hammer")?

Does anyone have thoughts on what an RH9 scum flip means for who the rest of his team is? Newb scum might sheep their buddy as hard as RH9 seemed to be sheeping Roden.

You answered your own question.

As for N_M, let's just say he did visit the site most recently and didn't drop by to say hi.

My mind is telling me RH & Roden are bus'ing their inactive partner to earn some credit on his expense, but I'm not sure if my mind is telling me the truth.

I mean, I can't tell for sure if you are conf!biased or if you see something I can't see. I am leaning Town on Galron but my word isn't gospel on that one (i.e. it's a weak TR that I can't actually bet the game on). I am more sus of Roden tbh.

I also am not impressed by Taly's play so far, so gun-to-my-head I'd say it's Roden, Taly & Kyouko/N_M

N_M in my experience has good reads, so it works in his favour that was on neither mislims. However, he also hasn't eliminated scum yet

Actually when I was skimming for associatives yesterday evening I missed all these because I put "nm" instead of "n_m" in my ctrl-f

Two softball comments, scumteam guess that reads like NM was tacked on at the end, with a hedge to top it off.

VOTE: A50

[Egix96]

You were hardly pushing Mafia. You kept on pushing Town. (At least that's if numberQ is Town which is what I currently think.)

There's a possible perspective slip here that I'm mulling over.

Has anything come out of this?

[Egix96]

You were hardly pushing Mafia. You kept on pushing Town. (At least that's if numberQ is Town which is what I currently think.)

There's a possible perspective slip here that I'm mulling over.

Has anything come out of this?

I haven't ISO'd gamma and RH9 yet, which was my intent.

But Gamma Emerald and me have different playstyles. What if Gamma Emerald says Townier things than me?

:thonk:
I mean, I'm not even sure if this is actually scummy or not, it's just so out there.

Man, whenever I try to look back at this game my mind just goes blank. Does

anyone

have any strong TRs or SRs? I feel pretty confident about my Almost TR, but that's it. I don't know if sheeping him again onto ssbm is the right move or if I should go with my gut and vote Egix.

fuck it, no one's in danger of being limmed right now

VOTE: Egix

Based on NM interactions, I have you as the most cleared with A50 and Kyouko looking the worst.

[Egix96]

[snip]

Man, whenever I try to look back at this game my mind just goes blank. Does

anyone

have any strong TRs or SRs? I feel pretty confident about my Almost TR, but that's it. I don't know if sheeping him again onto ssbm is the right move or if I should go with my gut and vote Egix.

fuck it, no one's in danger of being limmed right now

VOTE: Egix

Based on NM interactions, I have you as the most cleared with A50 and Kyouko looking the worst.

A50 is voting Kyouko, who has been at E-1 for a bit. That's pretty ballsy bussing if they're both scum. IMO, going with your reads here, SvT is more likely. Who do you think is scum then in this interaction? Or do you think it is in fact bussing?

Bussing

[Egix96]

We have 3 scum. 1 dead. So now 2. Bussing your only partner, leaving you to finsih the game on your own, at this point in the game, is either big brain stuff by mafia or just dumb. I've seen it before and almost succeed. But It's kind of crazy. Egix is smart enough to know this, so I'm not sure why he's even making that proposition.

Egix, do you genuinely think this is something A50 would cook up?

I mean, a yeet on kyouko looked fairly likely at that point so I don't see what seems so unexpected about it.

but egix, what about rh9's 992 pacified you?

egix, what about rh9's 992 pacified you?

His explanation for the misunderstanding seemed plausible (I presume you disagree?), I had had some time to cool off so I could think more rationally and I no longer needed to self-pres.

Taly, which post did you mean to ask Egix about here, and Egix, how did you know what Taly was referring to?

I figured that they had mistyped 922 since that was the post I was responding to when I voted NM.

[Egix96]

Based on NM interactions, I have you as the most cleared with A50 and Kyouko looking the worst.

are you shitting me dude, what not_mafia interactions?

Not just interaction from NM to others, but from them to him too.

IF this was a scum catch up.. WELL DONE. You've convinced me you're likely Town.

VOTE: Egix

You were townreading me before, lol. Not surprised by the heel turn.

[Egix96]

Which leads me to ask Egix, what do you mean by "a yeet on kyouko looked fairly likely at that point"? Because either you weren't paying attention when you formed a scumread on A50, or you somehow though there was a likely lim when he put her at E-3.

Yeah I think I misremembered the sequence of events. Tbf RH9 unvoted Galron a few posts before A50 voted kyouko so there's a very slim chance A50 predicted the wagon swing but eh I admit that's a bit of a stretch. The other one is prob Taly then, since I had them as next in line in my mind and there's still a part of me that wants to have been right about redtea D1.

[Egix96]

Someone put Q on E-1 please

Go ahead blood, laugh, because I really did think this was townspew

[Egix96]

you were in a game where he tried to hammer his partner, why would that one post be clearing?

If you mean my recent mini normal then gamma was already hammered there before nm even voted

[Egix96]

VOTE: Taly

Well here goes then.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Almost50

I'm 95% it's just him, I don't think there's much need to dither here.

[Egix96]

Please dither. I've strongly TRed A50 for a large portion of the game. Why is he the last scum?

The simple answer is that the way he acted towards the end of D4 makes no sense coming from town. I thought he was practically openwolfing. Plus I don't really see anyone else as scum here.

Why does scum!A50 NK bloodhail?

To frame me...

If it's Egix, we have a double bus Day 3, when Taly and Egix could have limmed RH9.

RH9 makes no sense as a scum counterwagon, and by play he's been town. New town to be sure, but town nonetheless.

I agree with this entirely.

Does scum bus both their partners to death like this? Assuming Taly does get limmed, and Egix is scum. I'm starting to feel a scumteam out of {Egix, Galron}, though I haven't looked back at the thread to point at concrete evidence. It's just pinging me.

Here we have what looks like a possible perspective slip.

What does everyone else think?

How so? You don't seem to have thought so at the time.

I hate quad posting, but I forgot to say I'm holding off on an actual vote until we hear from Egix at least one more time.

Wisest decision ever. Let's hear the defence and then the jury can make their decision.
See how much I learnt.

Fwiw I don't think there's much chance I will suddenly start posting up a storm and brainwashing everyone into not voting me, if that's what you're dreading.

[Egix96]

Are you talking about what I said at day start, where A50 put a narrative in your mouth? Saying that makes no sense as town is a bit of a stretch

I meant him posting the "I lied" clip and all that.

[Egix96]

GG, town finished strong with three scum elims in a row. I'm still surprised I got NK'd when town convinced themselves I was bussing NM lol. It makes me interested in seeing the mafia PT later, especially since the first two NKs were crazy good and I want to see how you guys figured out the PRs.

Basically we chose mozamis because it would be a low-info kill and they just so happened to be pr.
Azu was because I had a fairly tight poe for the other pr (which I was presuming to be doc at the time) and simply chose right between them and a50.