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what else would you have one do on day 1? what have you done that analyzes the game? what has anyone done?

This is such a weird, random pop-in. I'm pushing on things I find suspicious and asking questions to people to try to figure out if they're for real or bullshitting.

What are YOU doing to analyze the game?

ugh i want to vote azaariah as well

Er, Why?

because I'm finding them noncommittal and I think escalating the pressure against them with three votes within a page would force them to get spicier.

Okay, so...why talk about doing it, rather than actually doing it?

I was doing it until you asked and now I'm talking about it. Something something "polite discourse" something.

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VOTE: Jackson

Whereas Aza is writing out Aza's thought process on why Aza has particular reads and that feels more solvy/moving the game forward like Aza is actively figuring out who is good/bad.

Would you prefer I write 4 paragraphs of totally noncommittal content? I can do that..

After further consideration and deliberation with certain experts and professionals, it is my opinion that 4 paragraphs of totally noncommittal content may or may not be beneficial to certain players in this game.

I’m also getting back into the groove with the site mechanics too so hopefully my content will improve in line with that enough to be more effective

Mechanics are chilled, but I'd be interested to see your thoughts on things as they develop (wagons are always a good start, or if you have thoughts about the good/bad faith folks exhibit).

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Ignore this waterbird, you already started doing that.

i also have two reads that i am very much committing to and will actively fight against either of their elims. im just explaining why i have no other reads at the moment. it's not noncommittal, it's explaining what im considering with most of these players and why there is no conclusion currently.

Do you think scum is more likely to post something like you did or would they just sit on what amounts
To essentially to “town reads”? In your opinion.

i dont think it depends on the person rather than the alignment.

Forgive me. Can you clarify this?

Suspect they're positing that certain people play this way regardless of alignment. Do you expect it's a quality aligned with scum more than town?

[Scorpious]

Ignore this waterbird, you already started doing that.

i also have two reads that i am very much committing to and will actively fight against either of their elims. im just explaining why i have no other reads at the moment. it's not noncommittal, it's explaining what im considering with most of these players and why there is no conclusion currently.

Do you think scum is more likely to post something like you did or would they just sit on what amounts
To essentially to “town reads”? In your opinion.

i dont think it depends on the person rather than the alignment.

Forgive me. Can you clarify this?

Suspect they're positing that certain people play this way regardless of alignment. Do you expect it's a quality aligned with scum more than town?

I’d like to get a clear answer from them before I answer my own question. Because they really didn’t..

[Azaariah]

i also have two reads that i am very much committing to and will actively fight against either of their elims. im just explaining why i have no other reads at the moment. it's not noncommittal, it's explaining what im considering with most of these players and why there is no conclusion currently.

Do you think scum is more likely to post something like you did or would they just sit on what amounts
To essentially to “town reads”? In your opinion.

i dont think it depends on the person rather than the alignment.

Forgive me. Can you clarify this?

i didn't completely understand the question but assumed you meant do i think scum are more likely to post long noncommittal reads or short and straight to the point reads. and my answer is that neither depends on alignment. someone who posts short direct reads as scum, aren't suddenly going to be pouring noncommittal reads out as town. someone who posts noncommittal reads as scum, isn't suddenly going to be posting short direct reads as town. it's really rare that there is a difference in one person's play that is something like that because of their alignment. what that means is that neither is a direct scum or town tell.

[fua]

I think Scorpious was just saying that posting long and noncommittal reads is a way to seem like you’re doing something as scum without actually advancing the game forward at all.

Maybe it’s just me, but I tend to TR players who are open-minded and move the gamestate forward by bringing new ideas to the table rather than those who are interested in self-preservation or just fixate on one specific interaction. That’s most of why Scorpious has been giving me bad vibes— I don’t think the request for him to give reads is too big of an ask, but he still hasn’t done so for the past few days now.

[fua]

Another rule of thumb I generally go by is seeing who has reactionary play as opposed to proactive play. If you just sit on the sidelines and comment on other peoples' reads or focus on defending yourself, that's often an indicator that someone wants to appear as town without actually doing any of the work to scumhunt.

[Scorpious]

Ok, let’s do that.

VOTE: T3

I also agree with T3’s sentiments on Scorpious for now. The reaction to a scumread based on one post seems a little too defensive, but it’s not enough for me to fully scumread them at the moment.

You agree with your vote’s sentiments?

Do you find it strange to vote someone then say you agree with what they say?

[fua]

I think you should read my response to that exact question instead of echoing someone else.

[fua]

Like. If you’re genuinely going through my ISO then you’d see my response to Retti’s exact question ~2 posts after. Your OMGUS at being called out is also kind of suspicious as well.

[Scorpious]

I asked if you found it strange..

[fua]

What kind of question even is that?

[fua]

According to your logic, I should play like my first serious vote is lockscum and never listen to anything they have to say ever again.

[T3]

i also have two reads that i am very much committing to and will actively fight against either of their elims. im just explaining why i have no other reads at the moment. it's not noncommittal, it's explaining what im considering with most of these players and why there is no conclusion currently.

UNVOTE: aza
I think this comes from town. I really don't see the scum motivation for this post and it seems genuine.

[fua]

i also have two reads that i am very much committing to and will actively fight against either of their elims. im just explaining why i have no other reads at the moment. it's not noncommittal, it's explaining what im considering with most of these players and why there is no conclusion currently.

UNVOTE: aza
I think this comes from town. I really don't see the scum motivation for this post and it seems genuine.

Who do you want to go on instead?

I sort of feel like moving back to Scorpious at the moment. Every point of his that he's brought up has been shading negative reads on him, and I can't help but feel like it comes from scum floundering and trying to preserve themselves rather than town trying to actually solve.

[Scorpious]

According to your logic, I should play like my first serious vote is lockscum and never listen to anything they have to say ever again.

Show me where I said that. I’m asking you if you thought it felt off agreeing with someone you had a scum read on?

Why is this so hard to answer?

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i still think fua and andante both have different brands of "it walks like town and quacks like town, ergo" which makes me demotivated to critically rethink my townreads on d1. just binning for now. azaariah is kind of trending that way in like, an even more tonal/superficial way.

egix is i think my only spicy townread. i think i want to townread natalya but i don't because i feel like i'm waiting for like, where she's going next, if that makes sense. there's been talk about proactive vs. reactive players and their relationship to alignment. i think natalya is like kinda a subversive case of this. she's definitely on the reactive side of the spectrum, but i don't think it's in an inward-focused/agenda indicative way? more like, she only really reacts to things that pique her interest. i feel like i'm going to have an easier time reading natalya later.

t3 and scorp are big buckets of "mmm huh" because like, the more i try to understand where either of them are coming from wrt approaching solving the game, the less certain i feel that i can divine their alignment. think scorp needs to be given some space to do scorp things and i don't think their convo with fua is going anywhere unfortunately.

i want to have a tea party with oman and andante. i would not be surprised if i just waffle on oman until there's a couple of flips. they have the kind of playstyle where they read things and analyse things and then do things and it scares me because i'm a lame yet adorable hyperposter who has like 3 original thoughts per quarter. i think what they're pushing presents as inquisitive more than opportunistic (there's some ~things~ happening which i think analytical scum would have had a better chance to capitalise on => if oman is scum and they're as sharp as i fear they are then they're making decisions which sacrifice good optics).

retti is pressing buttons which is p cool, i haven't decided how i'm approaching solving their slot yet. i'm finding their push on me a bit uninteresting. honestly i'm old grumpy and experienced enough to either (1) make decisions to look a certain way and proceed accordingly, or (2) firmly posit that i'm doing the first thing and double down on it for no reason. i get why they think what i'm doing looks bad. i don't get why they think what i'm doing is scum-aligned. in broad strokes it might be fair to say i think this applies to a lot of what they're doing; they asking questions and making points but i'm kind of vibing til i see a bit more of like, where they're going with this.


i have literally no read on andres, uglyducko or jackson. andres had a cute rvs but is experienced enough to fake a cute rvs. literally none of them have a weak scumgames so i doubt we've got a team of just straight frozen scum but it's p hard to resist the urge to torture them for now. i do think jackson superficially has like, the highest scum equity of the trio.

[fua]

According to your logic, I should play like my first serious vote is lockscum and never listen to anything they have to say ever again.

Show me where I said that. I’m asking you if you thought it felt off agreeing with someone you had a scum read on?

Why is this so hard to answer?

No, it's not 'off'. My vote for T3 was on page 2 and mostly to get the game out of RVS. Why is it odd to agree with the point of someone I lightly scumread? Do you think that I shouldn't listen to people that I scumread at all? If you think I should listen to them, then why do you have a problem with me agreeing with T3 about your post? If you think I shouldn't listen to them, then 312 is completely correct.

[fua]

It was hard to answer because I couldn't believe that I even had to entertain this question and that you were fully asking it in earnest.

[Scorpious]

It was hard to answer because I couldn't believe that I even had to entertain this question and that you were fully asking it in earnest.

“Ask questions be proactive”

“

How dare you ask such a stupid question!!”

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hey pals what's everyone's favourite colour?


fua/scorp is this discourse helping either of you sort the other

[fua]

It was hard to answer because I couldn't believe that I even had to entertain this question and that you were fully asking it in earnest.

“Ask questions be proactive”

“

How dare you ask such a stupid question!!”

It was literally the same question someone else asked earlier that I already explained, that I simply pointed out to you after you asked, that you were aggressive towards me for 'not answering' when the answer was a given the whole time. You would literally find the exact same answer I gave to your question in my ISO if you looked.

VOTE: Scorpious

[fua]

I'll ask again. Do you have any reads or takes on the game that don't involve you being upset at people scumreading you?

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what is the difference between a tension headache and a migraine

sorry, wrong tab

[GeorgeBailey]

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