Micro 1034 | Meet me on the Astral Plane | Game Over!

[Morning Tweet]

but i agree on killing the both of those two

[T3]

Wait what? I never got a FN message

what the

[T3]

oh i'm dumb

[T3]

my fn is a 1shot
the mod pmed me that it was 1shot and i couldn't use it but i assumed it was a 'received' pm and didn't look at it.
norwee should still have it though

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i did get it.

[innocentvillager]

To be fair i think killing wright first is always better than killing you first and it can be done in whichever order

^ this @T3

it's not clear to me that it's strictly better but yeah i don't think we should use NKA to determine who's likely to be scum or not here. Sure I'm in that pool so im biased but just think about it

If scum knows who friendly neighbor is, why wouldn't they get rid of a vocal person who everyone townreads first when they can just kill the fn tomorrow

there's a potential benefit to this, and i don't really see how it could be much worse?

like it makes them look better - either the fn claims the following day (day 3) and makes the n1 target look better, or fn doesn't claim and town is in the dark for an extra day but then either way scum can make me and mollie look a little worse

[innocentvillager]

MT ik ur busy but roughly when do you think you'll complete your analysis by

i need to make sure u TR me bc if you're not reconvinced on ur readthrough ill need a little time to convince you myself.

[innocentvillager]

there was stuff earlier that implied to me that if Pooky is scum he's actually kinda big braining it

why do you think scum!pooky here is big braining? i don't particularly feel like if he's scum that he's big brained anything. I don't really have a read on him in general.

[innocentvillager]

i'm fn
we all knew that already
except iv lol

i didn't really look for fn because i didn't care. idk why koba was so invested in this project but ill chalk it up to playstyle diff. i believed them to an extent when they said u were the fn.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV i feel like you’re trying to soften up the thread for thinking T3 target scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which is good play, don’t get me wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It does strenghten my conviction more in IV scum though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If IV!scum it would be game losing for them to throw down on an Pooky!scum solve because that would naturally put them on the spotlight tommorow for an likely loss.
It is therefore better for IV to go the route of doing their all to shade me and push an unlikely narrative as truth in order to sow paranoia on me, hopefully get an flip on me. And then say: "aw shucks, i guess it was Pooky" tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To be fair i think killing wright first is always better than killing you first and it can be done in whichever order

^ this @T3

it's not clear to me that it's strictly better but yeah i don't think we should use NKA to determine who's likely to be scum or not here. Sure I'm in that pool so im biased but just think about it

If scum knows who friendly neighbor is, why wouldn't they get rid of a vocal person who everyone townreads first when they can just kill the fn tomorrow

there's a potential benefit to this, and i don't really see how it could be much worse?

like it makes them look better - either the fn claims the following day (day 3) and makes the n1 target look better, or fn doesn't claim and town is in the dark for an extra day but then either way scum can make me and mollie look a little worse

Like this is just the beginning of their setting up an narrative of T3 targetting scum!me and then my slot leaving them alive on night 2 for the WIFOM.
That’s also partially why i didn’t want T3 to claim.
Them knowing which of me/T3 are the FN allows them to set up an argument like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d preferred it if they were kept in the dark.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If this was ElO IV could have played it the way of pushing Pooks as an easy mislim, but considering he needs two mislims he needs to plan ahead of one townflip.

[innocentvillager]

there’s a reason narrative arguments are bad

it’s very simple

I will make this argument as either alignment

yes I thjnk the scum is in pooky then if that’s wrong it’s you and if that’s wrong it’s MT. There’s a clear reason I make that post as town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont even understand why we are having this conversation if T3/MT/Nor all agree on killing me/IV

it seems like a waste of time tbh

[innocentvillager]

it's not a waste of time

im trying to make sure we don't just autolose by immediatley killing me if you're not scum.

MT had me at obvtown before and i think she can get back there if she just rereads or reinteracts with me.

[innocentvillager]

I only repped in to say

that InnocentVillager is the scum.

VOTE: InnocentVillager
I can towncase Pooky, Morning Tweet, T3.

nor were you following this game before you repped in?

[innocentvillager]

you know what let me just set this bullshit to rest i don't want this shade floating around with any phantom cred whatsoever

IV was last on the Alice wagon and seemed only to want in for the cred when Alice was pretty much doomed. T3 joined much earlier and without making a big fuss.
I get that T3 likes to buss and i'm also paranoid of that at times, but this doesn't read as typical T3 distancing.

I wanted FB or Alice yesterday. The only person whose actual stance on Alice was nonpartnery was W/J who actively pushed them and they are dead. Holden's stance was way grosser (having Alice in PoE but only voting and pushing me and FB when it was okay to do so), don't think mollie even voted. Flea's was whatever.

Yes this is me throwing shade at holden slot. again I was sus of your slot but your rep in made it seem a bit townier somehow. If you are scum you are doing a great job of emulating your town meta and analyzing the gamestate/predicting how id react to your push on me but i don't rly think it's in ur wheelhouse.

His self-voting shenanigans in the middle of day 1 was really awful and reeked of scum performance.

Their reaction to Koba's push was scummier than Molly.
Where Molly tried to fight Dkkoba hard and seemed to believe what they were saying, IV pulled out the AtE and begged for Koba to stop harassing him. It was an scummy response.

You've seen me do this in both Mini Normal 2207 (town) and Micro 9:12 (scum). You weren't there either but Koba was being really fucking annoying and everyone there can attest to that. This is not alignment indicative. I get tilted and selfvote myself (briefly) a decent amount.

holden come hammer

VOTE: AliceK fuck it

This is literally IV's hammer.
Alice was deader than dead at this point. IV rushed in for the cred.

Scummy A F hammer.

My hammer is NAI. There's no universe where my hammer should look scummier than if I didn't hammer. I was totally fine with killing Alice all game.

im down to compromise on Alice later.

This was their posts prior. Seems awfully noncommital.

Okay you've played with me enough to know that's not a scumtell from me at all?

IV is pushed to the brink, reveals who their Neighbor is, and then all of a sudden you back away (despite the detailed, rather compelling case from GH I might add that you never up to that point actually went back over, and after you confidently declare them Scum based on meta and their self-sabotage) to push on a slot that could clearly reveal who the last Neighbor potentially is (and since you’ve already revealed who your Neighbor is in piratemollie, there’s really not that many choices left).

Now I’m going to go finish reading, so maybe I’ll change my mind. And yeah, I can’t say that I think Holden is Scummy individually actually. They have a straightforward way of looking at the game and again, seem mighty competent. But it’s miraculous that IV got so close to the brink, revealed who their Neighbor was, and all of a sudden the votes there disappear as does the case. I need to read through the progression obviously, but I’m intrigued. This game is a very interesting read actually. I have a feeling the Scum Team is playing at a high level.

Thank you for bringing that up. It is sorta strange how quickly everything disipated after IV revealed his hood with me. The wagon which grew and suddenly disappeared on IV consisted of WJ, T3 and GoldenHolden, right?
And now T3 is voting Alice due to POE and agreeing with WJ's read?
It seems a bit sheepy and I'm not sure what to make of it.

Do you think it's possible that IV is scum here?
If IV was town, would scum let them off the hook so quickly after getting them to turn suicidal and being one vote away from hammer?

You might've been asked before, I dunno- what do you think about IV claiming to be in a hood with you? Do you think he was trying to fish for the FN?

god if it's really just as easy as Alice/Facebone snore

this is almost too over the top in terms of desperately trying to frame away from partner and onto me after the mollie/koba TvT disintegrated

like either scum are big braining this or it's Alice/Facebone

In the next day IV tried to push hard for town to think Facebones was an likely Alice partner.

Or wait, that was prior the the flip.
Even worse then.

Okay you missed like every other post I had that expressed serious doubt about that solve both pre and post d1 flip.

facebones posted more analysis in our hood and it's starting to concern me that the solve isn't facebones/alice i think he might just give up if he's scum with Alice here

He was already setting up as evident here.

?? this was me putting doubt on the wrong solve how is that scummy?

The entire game IV has been playing like a scum.

you came in on the premise that I am scum and have tried to fit all my actions in my hypothetical scum agenda. that's called a narrative argument and that's why it's bad.

And combine that with awkward Alice treatment during their wagon. And we got the last mafia on the ropes.

what exactly is awkward? I wanted facebones and alice, preferred FB slightly because of him being in my hood, posting, but being pretty null overall. alice was just a pure lurker slot. I was fine with both and I hammered Alice when it came down to it. There's nothing awkward here

I don't think IV wanted to buss their partner though. It just so happened that their partner got to E-1 and he had to salvage the situation.

I doubt even IV thinks he can easily endgame alone in a playerlist with so many powerful players.

okay there's no accusation here really but if this is true (me not wanting to endgame as scum here) wouldn't i have tried way harder to defend alice or push them or do something else? or maybe not but like why are my actions around alice likely to come from scum rather than town. i don't get it.

He never voted Alice prior to that vote.

okay but neither did you or mollie at all and i don't remember flea having the best progression on Alice either but i could be wrong.

Also consider the fact that Holden probably would hammer Alice considering the state of his reads before IV stole the hammer.

We were less than 24 hours and there was nothing else to do. Holden like posted a wall every 24 hours and it wasn't clear when they were coming back or whether they would hammer at all. Again nothing indicative here.

It's possible that a scum facebones tells scum alice about what IV did in their hood

Yeah, or maybe an scum IV tells Scum Alice what IV is doing in their own hood.
Facebones flipped town so yeah....

Do people really think scum!Alice and scum!me would collectively scumclaim in hoods at the start of the game for no fucking reason other than to look super coincidentally aligned?? for absolutely no purpose at all but just purely looking bad? i do it on my own for the lulz sometimes. there's no reason for us both to be the only ones doing it in the hoods at the start of the game making it look extra coordinated. this is a really shallow reason to believe we were aligned but for some reason a bunch of townies bought this reason so ur not the only one i guess nor.

This is why I’m arguing that if AliceK flips Scum, then IV should get executed.

How convenient Andres died on night 1.

Andres died on night 1 because he was CONFIRMED TOWN

[innocentvillager]

i apologize in advance if any of my posts come off as rude, i just get heated sometimes when people accuse me. im more than happy to talk through any remaining concerns any of you have about me.

[innocentvillager]

i just skimmed flea's iso again and i really did not see anything town inspiring

or scummy really

mostly felt like complaining about PM v Koba which is a good way to look productive even if literally the entire thread hates the argument. the consensus was TvT after a certain point so i really don't see this as a point in faer favor.

Nor you said you could towncase flea. I want to hear it.

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: AliceK

Get yo ass in here and give the promised content. Longer you wait the more I expect my mind to be blown.

FB brought this up already but if anything this vote was south of null feels performative. can see it being NAI though.

[T3]

VOTE: iv