Micro 1040: Shirley, You Blitz!

[MegAzumarill]

In galron we trust

[MegAzumarill]

Please no poke me

[MegAzumarill]

We can go for a policy lim d1 since we can't retract rvs wagons
Would prefer to use the day to discuss first rhough

[MegAzumarill]

This said that is still not preferable to a normal lin but those will be hard to aim regardless

[MegAzumarill]

We can but once someone hits e-1 it's optimal to lim them anyway

[MegAzumarill]

I wouldn't doubt it but somehow doubt jester would be so obvious

[MegAzumarill]

So it comes down to a solid maybe

[MegAzumarill]

Fun part about this game is >50% of people aren't town
Hooray

[MegAzumarill]

Makes mafiahunting tough so it's probably best to work with trs primarily over srs

[MegAzumarill]

This is actually a good idea.
What do others think?

[MegAzumarill]

Galron is jester
Ez

[MegAzumarill]

It's a replacement for a vote

[MegAzumarill]

Schadd is claiming jester definitely

[MegAzumarill]

U voted the IC

[MegAzumarill]

Any votes on Galron past this point is a Non-Town claim

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but with jesters galron can actually die if you do something like that

[MegAzumarill]

Schadd is claiming jester definitely

or scum who could be trying to trick us. Otherwise why not just straight up claim it?

~At

What gave you the impression I think scum wont claim jester

[MegAzumarill]

Funny joke

[MegAzumarill]

Agreed

[MegAzumarill]

If you do things in jest people will think you are jester. Should be obvious
Also I'd like to hardclaim not jester.

[MegAzumarill]

Still no new facee

[MegAzumarill]

Bugspray claims not town then

[MegAzumarill]

I would like to point out that we should in fact not lim bugspray because it is most likely they are jester and keeping them alive guarentees not losing to jester

[MegAzumarill]

I mean they blatantly aren't town

[MegAzumarill]

Also 3 to 2 base for jest to maf so everyone's more likely to be jester than maf

[MegAzumarill]

But it doesn't ping me as maf openwolfing rather more like jester trolling

[MegAzumarill]

@jingle N_M is put at e-4 on that when he is at e-3

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: bugspray

Doesn't much matter to me Which Jester and/or Scum get their clown scholarship, or at least not who gets one first.

Why do you want jester hung today?
There's no town motivation to do so

[MegAzumarill]

Scum are much less incentivized to be scummy early but the more jesters are dead the less scum has to try

[MegAzumarill]

Bugspray is probably a good execute tbh

[MegAzumarill]

Jester has no incentive to eliminate IC because it risks game ending before their elimination

[MegAzumarill]

What are the voting mechanics?

No unvotes and can vote for any number of people

If no elim by dl hammer goes down by 1

[MegAzumarill]

Bruh

[MegAzumarill]

You have a case?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean look at your entrance and tell me it's town

[MegAzumarill]

When 5/7 of the players I have to read are scum it's easy to spot

[MegAzumarill]

You literally have to to confirm

[MegAzumarill]

Somehow I don't buy it

[MegAzumarill]

Especially since the day started before the confirmation timer hit 0 iirc

[MegAzumarill]

I think I am interested in a N_M lim actually

[MegAzumarill]

Who would you prefer to yeet

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: N_M
VOTE: Bugspray

Two best elim options atm

[MegAzumarill]

You know voting me isn't going to help you get your education

[MegAzumarill]

im glad detectev schadd is figuring this out

Elaborate on this please

[MegAzumarill]

>:(

[MegAzumarill]

I mean you can just put them on e-1 now

[MegAzumarill]

I mean if they are jester they will hammer anyway

[MegAzumarill]

So you don't get the satisfaction

[MegAzumarill]

Besides bugspray what are your reads?

[MegAzumarill]

Cowbell is intensifying

I wish people other than the blatant jesters were active.

[MegAzumarill]

I hardread shadd as jester
N_M is trolling which is NAI
I think bugspray is scum

[MegAzumarill]

Also how do you have shadd who has done nothing town this game higher on your reads than me?

[MegAzumarill]

Besides a scumread on RR I don't see where you are coming from.
It reads to me just wanting to ruffle people's feathers

[MegAzumarill]

I doubt I'll get a good read on N M anytime soon

[MegAzumarill]

I am glad the agenda behind megazu's posting is getting EXPOSED

The reasoning is I'm trying to solve this nightnare of a game

[MegAzumarill]

Rh9 what do you think about other slots

[MegAzumarill]

RH9: Who do you think should be sent to clown college today?

IDK. I want to wait a bit longer.

tik tok we're on the clock

[MegAzumarill]

I might be able to get behind that. I think one of the straight posters is a jester and one of the clown posters is a wolf. And I'd put "at least" as a modifier for both.

I agree with this sentiment

[MegAzumarill]

Best one IMO
Assuming its a jester flip

[MegAzumarill]

IF it is a jester flip I think the game is solved

RR, Shadd, N_M -> Jester
Bugspray, ???-> mafia
Galron, MegAzumarill, RH9, ???-> Town

WinFried/AtE making up the last mafia slot

[MegAzumarill]

Because earlier I had originally presumed you were trying to get jesters to claim to freeze them and not lose using blatantly faulty logic. Now that that is clearly not the case I think you just wanted to be called out for that faulty logic

[MegAzumarill]

IF it is a jester flip I think the game is solved

RR, Shadd, N_M -> Jester
Bugspray, ???-> mafia
Galron, MegAzumarill, RH9, ???-> Town

WinFried/AtE making up the last mafia slot

/\

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Bugspray

[MegAzumarill]

umm they've posted a lot and yet there hasn't really been a moment from them that has felt like an attempt at solving/sorting/etc. kind of just making statements about the game/talking inoffensively to people/doing reasoning about jesters (famously something wolves should be able to do with like no issue). not mafia called them a wolf which was cool.

Literally have most of the game sorted at this point
N_M was jester, likely trolling with their reads. I'd do the same if I was hammered jest

[MegAzumarill]

Half the player list hasn't done half as much as that

[MegAzumarill]

This push is just for them to get limmed easier because I actually figured out they are jester alread

[MegAzumarill]

The idea that town is in a better position after eliminating Jester d1.
It's 1 step from Mylo wither way

[MegAzumarill]

E-2 for bugspray

[MegAzumarill]

Don't put them at e-1 yet I want some people to check in first

[MegAzumarill]

I'd we have a jester claim that is in fact Jester elimination outside is better 2:2:2 odds
Killing a jester puts town into a WORSE position than the prior day, thus eliminating them should still be avoided


Am reconsidering jester on you though

[MegAzumarill]

Okay maybe you are jester

We never elim galron

Why intentionally make elo if we hit it worst case scenario anyway?
We try to get scum and if somehow bugspray is town we are just in that situation but better.

[MegAzumarill]

Okay maybe you are jester

We never elim galron

Why intentionally make elo if we hit it worst case scenario anyway?
We try to get scum and if somehow bugspray is town we are just in that situation but better.

It's counter-intuitive, yes, but consider bugspray does flip Mafia, as expected.

Now the remaining two Jesters will play indistinguishably from scum.

Eliminating Town though, that forces the Jesters to help us find scum, and then when they have to change sides after the first scumflip they expose themselves as Jesters, and we know to avoid them

Jester literally play opposite from scum in this scenario

[MegAzumarill]

We do not elim galron ever
Should be freaking obvious

[MegAzumarill]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playtime difference

[MegAzumarill]

Playstyle *

[MegAzumarill]

Also even if we were trying to pull that off we don't elim galron
We eliminate a townread to try for that scenario without killing ic

[MegAzumarill]

That said I still think we should just send buh

[MegAzumarill]

Bugspray*

[MegAzumarill]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playtime difference

Playstyle *

This is the difference I find between shadd and bugspray I find.

It's more vibes and experience with jesters on other mafia related things than anything else but I don't think bugspray is actually applying to clown college. Shadd on the other hand is packed and ready to go.

[MegAzumarill]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playstyle difference

And yet, paradoxically, in order for Jesters to be eliminated they must play as though they do not. And for the Mafia to not be eliminated, they may find the best defense is to act as though they do.
Which then also means the opposites are true for both as well, and so begins an endless spiral of WIFOM, where it becomes nigh impossible to tell how many layers of deception a given slot is using.

There is method for discernment but regardless no point talking about it atm

Who do you think are jesters?

[MegAzumarill]

Additionally even if ideally they'd be identical, in practice it is unachievable

What are your other reads?

[MegAzumarill]

IF it is a jester flip I think the game is solved

RR, Shadd, N_M -> Jester
Bugspray, ???-> mafia
Galron, MegAzumarill, RH9, ???-> Town

WinFried/AtE making up the last mafia slot

Yeah, maybe NM could be on to something. Don’t think I want to vote bugspray anymore.

Looking through ISOs I found this

AtE who would you prefer to vote now and why

[MegAzumarill]

I should be obvtown if/when bug flips scum
Why do you think shadd is town?

[MegAzumarill]

1 day left we need to hear from peeps

[MegAzumarill]

1 day left we need to hear from peeps

Do you have anybody in particular that you want to hear from?

Everyone that hasn't given elimination preference/voted

[MegAzumarill]

This includes you

[MegAzumarill]

Actually, what benefit do you discern from voting bugspray, before their catch up?
It would put them at E-1 and I still have them at Null. I am hoping that once they catch up, I can talk to them and be able to read them better.

I didn't suggest this, I'm looking for reads before we decide on the lim

Bugspray is safe to e-1 since they are conf not jester

[MegAzumarill]

IF it is a jester flip I think the game is solved

RR, Shadd, N_M -> Jester
Bugspray, ???-> mafia
Galron, MegAzumarill, RH9, ???-> Town

WinFried/AtE making up the last mafia slot

Yeah, maybe NM could be on to something. Don’t think I want to vote bugspray anymore.

Looking through ISOs I found this

AtE who would you prefer to vote now and why

Rn, probably RR. I don’t buy his elim IC argument. I don’t think jester seriously makes that argument as you I think pointed out initially, that jester doesn’t want to touch the IC and he isn’t just voting the IC, he’s actively encouraging an elim on them. So I would elim RR for that.

~ head banger

Key note here is that they ARENT voting the IC.
IF they actually wanted IC dead they would've
Hence why i prefer jester to mafo n them

[MegAzumarill]

IF it is a jester flip I think the game is solved

RR, Shadd, N_M -> Jester
Bugspray, ???-> mafia
Galron, MegAzumarill, RH9, ???-> Town

WinFried/AtE making up the last mafia slot

Yeah, maybe NM could be on to something. Don’t think I want to vote bugspray anymore.

Looking through ISOs I found this

AtE who would you prefer to vote now and why

Rn, probably RR. I don’t buy his elim IC argument. I don’t think jester seriously makes that argument as you I think pointed out initially, that jester doesn’t want to touch the IC and he isn’t just voting the IC, he’s actively encouraging an elim on them. So I would elim RR for that.

~ head banger

Key note here is that they ARENT voting the IC.
IF they actually wanted IC dead they would've
Hence why i prefer jester to mafo n them

But they were advocating for jester elim on d1 and asked everyone to claim jester or not jester. Why does jester do that?

~confused head

Attract attention

[MegAzumarill]

I'd like to hear from the rest of you about the whole purposely entering MeLo thing.

I know a couple of you have said no, but why? Is it just a reflex against voting Town, or have you actually thought it through and found fault with the proposed plan?

It's grown on me since but there's better ways to do it than eliminating galron. Opening the chance to hang scum instead is always better and keeps a confirmed Town alive

[MegAzumarill]

Yes, my current proposal is, to the best of our ability, eliminate Jester > Town > Mafia > Mafia

Counterpoint we just do mafia>mafia,
In all seriousness jester elimination is bad and should be avoided

Deadline is approaching and I won't be there near it but votes need to come out ASAP.
VOTE: Winfried
Voting my second highest scumread

[MegAzumarill]

what happens if the elim threshold would lower and more than one player would be eliminated

[MegAzumarill]

Deadline is approaching and I won't be there near it but votes need to come out ASAP.
VOTE: Winfried
Voting my second highest scumread

This looks like you want me to send you to clown college. I tend to not OMGUS vote, but I don't think you know that.

what happens if the elim threshold would lower and more than one player would be eliminated

This reeks of nervousness of getting eliminated and looks like the opposite.

Not seeing a straight agenda, maybe you're just town and to be fair, there was only one weird thing you did this game. I'd also feel a little guilty if I eliminated town you, not gonna lie.

Nothing changed on the bugspray slot. Not sure why this doesn't have all the votes yet.
VOTE: bugspray

You read pretty hard as bugspray's partner but if you want to call me jester feel free to.

I'll need to reevaluate the game anyway so we'll get back to this

[MegAzumarill]

From town pov there is only 1 other town (besides galron)
Trouble is figuring out who

[MegAzumarill]

Winfired AtE scumteam makes sense to me but RH9 may be there too

It's gotta be between the three for me though

[MegAzumarill]

Ye

[MegAzumarill]

Somehow I doubt that I was the only town that didn't try to jester tell.
And your play doesn't seem scum based

[MegAzumarill]

Kind of want to just send RR on the off chance they aren't jester

[MegAzumarill]

I don't think there's a way they are town so it's safe

[MegAzumarill]

Still thinking we should vote winfried here

[MegAzumarill]

What do YOU think we should do?
Why must it be others who decide your actions?

Now that my confusion has been cleared, I will answer this.
I think that we should discuss more before voting because we can't unvote.
I don't mean to act too passively but it has been my general stance in this game after the N_M incident that I ask other people before I perform drastic actions so that everybody has forthcoming knowledge of my intended actions.

And what drastic actions would you be considering?

Also, regarding the N_M incident...
Although I disagreed, the prevailing attitude seemed to be that eliminating a claimed Jester was the wrong play. A sentiment you seemed to agree with, since me having bad logic "eased your anxiety on me being Mafia."

So, I believe you thought it was actually E-1. But E-1 is essentially a hammer for a Jester. Though in this case Not_Mafia had already voted himself and couldn't have self-hammered, clearly you didn't check the VC before voting, so was N_M being moderately annoying really enough to make you okay with a "wrong" elimination?

I am considering voting a nullread. I skimmed past the VC by accident. And yes, N_M was quite annoying.

I missed his Jester claim.

Why did you think he was begging you to vote him???

Because he wanted to annoy me?

Who would want to annoy you so you vote for them?
This should've been an instant red flag

[MegAzumarill]

Why do you think it's me galron?

[MegAzumarill]

Rh9 who is scum?

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

Enjoy Elo!

I gotta get my education

[MegAzumarill]

I am jester

[MegAzumarill]

So you want my definitely real solve?

[MegAzumarill]

Rh9 scum
Shadd town
Rr/winfired are s/t
Ate is J
Galron is Scum

[MegAzumarill]

I think RH9 is the last Jester.

Reasoning is it doesn't seem like they actually have much of a goal here, like he doesn't really know what he wants to do, like a Jester that doesn't know how to actually get himself eliminated.

Alright it's RR and RH9

Solved

[MegAzumarill]

GGWP all

I actually was thinking RH9 was the jester and RR was mafia and AtE was town.

[MegAzumarill]

ought to have been something needed to confirm in our role pms

It... was?

I mentioned this in the mod/dead chat, but I was surprised no one picked up that you two were much more tryhard after the second Jester elim when town!you would have been in MELO for a day already at that point. Honestly, I think Meg and RR were the towniest players.

This was the strategy, with getting voted from 1 of 2 things.
1. People see me as not jester so they lim me
2. Rub people the wrong way (dismissing obvtown Shadd, blindly pushing bugspray)