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[Galron]

I will also be keeping my own notes on people's claims, but if someone wants to neighborize me into mastina's PT so that I don't have to keep notes, it would be appreciated.

Was this a joke, zefiend?

[Galron]

If there was a redirector, would the target nominally stay the same but deflect onto the hider?

Redirecter not normal.

Yeah, you're right.

[Galron]

I just wasted 15 minutes making a case for mastina scum but remembered at the end that Cheeky couldn't be targeted.

[Galron]

So right now, I'm thinking:
All 3 scum are in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill, House, Yume, Flea the Magician};
CheekyTeeky and MegAzumarill have a high chance of being scum;
House is less likely scum;
There's 1-2 scum in {Yume, Flea the Magician};
There's basically a guaranteed scum, 1-2, in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill}.

I'm going to at the least post this and ask mastina to address it. Just being wrong doesn't explain it I don't think.

[Titus]

So right now, I'm thinking:
All 3 scum are in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill, House, Yume, Flea the Magician};
CheekyTeeky and MegAzumarill have a high chance of being scum;
House is less likely scum;
There's 1-2 scum in {Yume, Flea the Magician};
There's basically a guaranteed scum, 1-2, in {CheekyTeeky, MegAzumarill}.

I'm going to at the least post this and ask mastina to address it. Just being wrong doesn't explain it I don't think.

Screams like a frame up to me.

[Galron]

I don't think so if Cheeky wasn't an intentional target. But it leads me to question her process and the rest of her reads.

[Enchant]

We voting House or Me today (if that's me, then House tomorrow).

That's all.

[Dwlee99]

Not sure if Galron dumbtelling or town. Cheeky had to be the NK target for her to die there

Starting here again
VOTE: Scorpious

[Flea The Magician]

Greeting

, which group do you think contains 2 scum?

My mind is telling me this: (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

), my gut is telling me this: (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.

For you, I can see this being a good group to work in.

For me, I've enough enough all scum/all town wagons to be able to work on that and you grab any 3 players you have 1-in-3 ish chance to hit scum.
So I won't be working in that pool.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea is very fluffy looking.

That's just my default, honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

What happened to Enchant Mech Clear? Hmm?

[Enchant]

What mech clear

[House]

I'd rather us work together and I mindmelded Scoripous very hard yesterday.

Just because Cheeky was town doesn't mean they read Enchant correctly.

Me too, so here's where I'm at...

- If I recall correctly, Strongman also bypasses Hider's inherent protection.

-Even if you're right and Enchant is scum, they're low priority for me. Why? 3 reasons...

1) Enchant never lives in Elo
2) Cheeky was Enchant's beard. That scum killed her anyway means she was a bigger threat than a benefit. (This is what concerns me about Taly)
3) If the dead is ignored when they flip, town never listens to them later.

- What's your take on zefiend?

[Greeting]

I also don't remember

Galron's

reads from D1 so an eyebrow is raised.

I am extra cautious about

Galron

, because their open and relaxed attitude made me townread them (and they were scum) in Open 838. So I'm putting evaluating him on hold.

I didn't admit that, but I was pocketed.

Who else in the larger pool worries you?

mastina

,

Enchant

and

Galron

are three players from that pool I have very mixed feelings about. The player I feel the safest about is probably

Titus

, yourself coming next in line and

House

and

Scorpious

are a tier up from being in the front line of my suspicions.

Greeting

, which group do you think contains 2 scum?

My mind is telling me this: (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

), my gut is telling me this: (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). So... I don't know. lol.

However, even if we assume that my gut and not my mind is correct, we have a 1/3rd chance of hitting scum in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and 2/7th of hitting scum in this group (

Titus

,

mastina

,

Taly

,

Galron

,

House

,

Scorpious

,

Enchant

). 1/3 is 33.3% and 2/7 is 28.6%. The first one is higher.

I do have some townreads for the bigger group that could potentially narrow down the pool, but I'm not very confident about them. The assumption itself about the wagons isn't very firm, so if we add more shaky assumptions, the whole reasoning is more likely to be fallacious.

I do not, however, have any townread for players in this group (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

).

Which is why I think that my focus will lie with those three players on Day Two.

Good to see that we are very much on the same page. Do you have questions for me?

Yes. Whom do you think is be most likely to be scum from this pool (

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

) and why?

Flea/Dwlee

come either their/faer own problems. Mind hasn't changed on

Dwlee

.

Flea

is very fluffy looking.

The concerning thing is that I doubt it's THIS easy as a scumteam. Seeing if

zefiend

push helps my thinking here.

I don't think

Flea The Magician

,

Dwlee99

,

ɀefiend

is the scumteam at all. I think at least one of them is town. I'll look back at your reads on them.

[Greeting]

Dwlee99

(+Yume)

Yume said basically nothing relevant other than stating preferences, which, contrary to

mastina

, I believe is NAI. (105)

Notably, they also voted

CheekyTeeky

who is conftown. (209) I am not entirely sure if this was an informed vote or not.

As for

Dwlee99

, I will skip posts which don't contain game-relevant info to me. I don't think there's anything wrong with making these, and I would be a hypocrite who's criticising someone for vibe posting when I've done it myself. The exception being if the vibe posting actually exceeds the content, however I wouldn't say it does in this case.

I do not share their town read of

ɀefiend

in 549. It is my understanding (which will not be substantiated further because of the rule not allowing me to speak of ongoing games) that

ɀefiend

is a player who posts rather infrequently. Indeed, they are after a hiatus, but I personally questioning game mechanics as NAI and something that scums could easily emulate.

I can understand, somewhat, the

Taly

read, plus

CheekyTeeky

was town.

I also do not think

Scorpious

was AtE in this game at all. (652) I have played with

Scorpious

in the, now finished, Open 838, and I think their posting style matches that game. Then again, I have just one experience of playing with

Scorpious

and

Dwlee99

apparently has more. Maybe, if some examples were provided, I would reconsider, but I'm pretty invested in my current train of thought and tbf for now feel like giving

Scorpious

the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

There is an inconsistency between

Dwlee99

expressing doubts of

MegAzumarill

being accidentally scumread (703), but also claiming they are fine with their elimination (702 and later 844).

[Greeting]

ɀefiend

ɀefiend

's main focus so far seemed to be

mastina

, which is not a bad choice at all as in my opinion that slot has some scum potential.

I believe that his view of

mastina

expressed in 164 aligns with the one I had Day One, so there is nothing for me to suspect here. In 257,

ɀefiend

claims that he likes the thought process as genuine. I think I would be inclined to agree once again with that.

Him refusing to townread

Titus

easily is a sign of caution, which I think is more likely a sign of towny reasoning than scum (391). I feel like scum wouldn't come for

Titus

, whom quite a few players, including myself are townreading, when there exist much easier targets to miseliminate from a scum point of view.

However, he seems to be townreading

Dwlee99

in 553. I completely disagree with this take and I'm baffled as to why

Dwlee99

's entrance is so townish and

Titus

's performance could be an old dog trick. Sounds to me like both are experienced players

ɀefiend

has history with and I don't see why

Dwlee99

wouldn't be capable of old dog tricks.

The six posts don't give out a lot, but it's still more than I thought.

[Dwlee99]

Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.

I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in 702. I was in 844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote

[Greeting]

Scorpius was AtEing this game, I'll find examples later.

I wasn't fine with Meg's elimination in 702. I was in 844 cause I didn't like the Enchant vote

My mistake. The post I was referring to was actually 652. The second one is tagged correctly.

I'm like fine with Meg wagon but I'm really not sure how people read them cause they always are scummy.

[Greeting]

Flea The Magician

wallpost coming soon. Fae created significantly more game relevant content than these two and so I'll need more time for this and a break too.

[Enchant]

I'd rather us work together and I mindmelded Scoripous very hard yesterday.

Just because Cheeky was town doesn't mean they read Enchant correctly.

Me too, so here's where I'm at...

- If I recall correctly, Strongman also bypasses Hider's inherent protection.

-Even if you're right and Enchant is scum, they're low priority for me. Why? 3 reasons...

1) Enchant never lives in Elo
2) Cheeky was Enchant's beard. That scum killed her anyway means she was a bigger threat than a benefit. (This is what concerns me about Taly)
3) If the dead is ignored when they flip, town never listens to them later.

- What's your take on zefiend?

No, Strongman can't beat Hider.

Already asked.


We have roleblocker. It's 100%

[Galron]

You guys figure out the mechs of that kill. I don't get it.

[House]

No, Strongman can't beat Hider.

Already asked.

I guess the wiki lies, then.

A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted.

[Greeting]

Flea The Magician

Fae threw two votes early in the game (14, 17). It raises an eyebrow, but it's not uncommon amongst townies in RVS, so I wouldn't raise that eyebrow too high.

Their read of

mastina

resulted in a vote, while, in contrast,

ɀefiend

withdrew. I also didn't like the way that wagon formed so fast. The main drives of the wagon were, if I remember correctly,

MegAzumarill

who is conftown.

Then again, I do think it was an easy vote to make, as

Taly

pointed out in 186.

I don't see how he fact that

mastina

made a big effort in doing what she did is a scum tell like at all, in fact I would say it's a townlean (referring to 204).

But

the rest of the post seems to be questioning the method

mastina

used to great lengths and I'd say that's a town point for fae.

While

MegAzumarill

ultimately withdrew from the wagon, fae stayed on it for a bit longer. Not sure if this alignment indicative. If made as town, shows strength of conviction. If scum, shows clutching to the last good anchor point they could find.

As for the

Enchant

read, I partly agree that this slot has scum potential and so I don't think I need to expand on this any further.

Afterwards, they seem to have... deflated a bit, but I would treat that as NAI.

[Enchant]

No, Strongman can't beat Hider.

Already asked.

I guess the wiki lies, then.

A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted.

Hider prevents killers from targeting self, therefory commuting.

[Greeting]

Of all those three, I'm most comfortable voting

Dwlee99

, I can pressure

ɀefiend

and I think I want to leave

Flea The Magician

for the time being.

I can buy

Flea The Magician

being town, getting very passionate and making a point fae strongly believe in and then having less motivation to carry on.

Flea The Magician

is the one out of these three that has the highest potential of being town in my opinion.

ɀefiend

is more null, there's not nearly enough yellow flags here.

Dwlee99

in my opinion has the most potential of being scum in this group.

VOTE: Dwlee99