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[ɀefiend]

I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.

Talking about all these scumreads, but I get no mention even though I'm the reason your wagon exists?

I. Don't. Believe. You.

Yeah I don't care - you can be scum too. You're loud enough to avoid your lim today but as I won't be around for long you won't have to deal with me pushing you any further. So good job doubling down.

[Titus]

Stop undermining my scumread, Scorpious!

Where did you crumb?

[Galron]

I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.

Talking about all these scumreads, but I get no mention even though I'm the reason your wagon exists?

I. Don't. Believe. You.

Yeah I don't care - you can be scum too. You're loud enough to avoid your lim today but as I won't be around for long you won't have to deal with me pushing you any further. So good job doubling down.

Wagon me and case me.

And show me those crumbs.

[Titus]

This game quoting wrong posts...

I so don't have patience for tech drama

[Titus]

I'm a fucking Jailkeeper.

Town on my wagon are terribad/lazy.

I jailed Taly N1. I've been crumbing all Day long. Maybe some quieter people have picked up on it, but surely nobody voting me.

VOTE: Galron is lockscum. Titus probably scum, her play is unforgivable as town.

Obviously if someone quickhammers me here shoot/lim them tomorrow.

This game gives me a headache, I'm taking a rest for the night.

I thought I was lazy. I'm unforgivable now?

Wow.

[House]

Stop undermining my scumread, Scorpious!

Where did you crumb?

In bed, now I have to wash the sheets.

Guess I should stick to eating in the dining room.

[Galron]

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

Okay.

Tell me others?

If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:

@mod

: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)

I find this question very, very curious.

If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

Why the unvote? I don't get it.

[Galron]

VOTE: scorpious

[Galron]

Why the unvote? I don't get it.

His crumbs are there. I'm not thrilled with him, but another night with a JK would be fine. He'll just get NK'd.

[Galron]

If he's alive tomorrow, we kill him then.

[Galron]

I may defer to your logic though.

[Taly]

Why jail me?

[ɀefiend]

Bolded yellow parts are crumbing/explaining my progression toDay:

Posting the answer to "what happened at night" as a question:

Damn, how am I always in danger of getting prodded? Feel kinda bad, since there's so many cool players in this one.

What if the person Cheeky tried to hide at wasn't available?

Like a Commuter or something? Wouldn't Cheeky just "stay home" then?

Not sure how RB fits into the equation at all.

I'ma sit back and wait for mastina to explain.

Don't feel like responding to the votes on me directly, but I will say: Yes I'm hardly active and coasting but I am in fact reading the game. I just haven't had more than like 30 minutes at a time to dedicate to gathering reads.

I'm obviously very interested in House's answer

as the person responsible for the protection

:

Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

A lot of the reads were shaped in large part by House. Which had me strongly town-reading him. Until this post:

@mod

: do you treat kills performed on a Hider's target as being copied onto the Hider, rather than having the Hider's death trigger off the death of the hidee?

(The wiki mentions that some mods do this, which could be informative if that's the case because a protected Hider target would not protect the Hider)

I find this question very, very curious.

If it were the case, I agree it would be informative - but to who?

Suppose that it were the case that person X was protected and Cheeky visited person X. Then if scum attempted to kill person X, the kill would be "copied" onto Cheeky, explaining how they died.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

But it would tell town, in-game-thread, absolutely nothing.

Please explain how your question was meant to be informative or helpful to town. Because it smells like role/info-fishing as scum.

Because I have some information, and because I know the most likely outcome of all:

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

Okay.

Tell me others?

If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.

Explicitly stating my town-read on Taly and making it painfully obvious that they were my target N1 should I ever die:

-snip-

Because your vote, while misplaced, is well-intentioned. I have been slacking this game and probably did deserve some votes but now that I am picking it up in gear and making an effort I want to engage with people who are actively solving the game - i.e. you, Greeting, sometimes Dwlee, sometimes mastina, maybe Flea, and ALMOST House until he ruined it with that question.

Actively solving is not the only reason I'm townreading you

NOR is actively solving = town-read from me. For you specifically, it's your tone and intention I am keen on town-reading you.

And while I could see an intention of rolefishing i always get the impression scum will just ask spec questions in a PT or PM. At least that's what I do to not get attention brought to how I think about mechanics.

There could be other reasons for House's post but I would rather he face the music himself instead of getting bailed out by others.

VOTE: zefiend

I hadn't considered the possibility Taly might be Ascetic. Nice catch.

Taly, I'll quote it after work

Answer the question or eat rope.

VOTE: House

Kind of want to hear a genuine reply from

House

too though but I also think he's given his reply enough.

Also agree with

Titus

, you have no stated townreads other other me.

Because I don't hand out town-reads like candy and

trust me, I have good reasons for town-reading you

.

This would tell scum (1) that there's a protective role and (2) that the protective role targeted person X

It doesh't make House more townie or more mafia (atleast this exact argument), because mafia already knows what happened fully. They of course can and will try to pass it as notinformed, but most likely they simple trying to not talk about this at all, to not give hints and attention.

Like why scumread someone for giving information to mafia, because if they are mafia they kinda already know and thus every other mafia member will know as well. There's no benifit in telling.


Also wtf there's literally... Well ok, two outcomes, first is where Cheeky roleblocked and second where she visited Ascetic. We can't do anything with that.

You're wrong on both counts.

Mafia don't necessarily have all information.

Those are not the only two possible outcomes.

Okay.

Tell me others?

If you read the thread mastina posted three possibilities.

There are more beyond that.

Where are you going with this conversation

zefiend

?

Apparently nowhere but I did want to make it clear what I think of people's speccing/fishing when it is wrong/bad.

[House]

Well, zefiend getting all salty about me does make sense, now.

UNVOTE:

Your turn, Titus. Who are we voting?

[Taly]

Oh shit, jailkeep protects its target too?

[Taly]

Was I the target of 3 actions last night wtf

[House]

Oh shit, jailkeep protects its target too?

Yes.

Otherwise, it's called a roleblocker.

[Taly]

This game is becoming a bit of a nightmare to me at the moment.

[Galron]

Step away and map it out.

[ɀefiend]

Why jail me?

Idk I was late submitting and although hardly active Day 1 I seemed to recall you were widely TR by people. Plus you're a vocal power player so a good target regardless.

Now I really gotta go so enjoy the shitshow til I get back.

[Galron]

Some reads:
- Taly is town
- Dwlee could be scum
- Scorpious could be scum, but not with House
- Flea gets +town points for standing up to mastina
- mastina gets -town points b/c of what Flea said
- If mastina is scum then Galron probably is too
- Greeting is null
- Enchant I hope is just bad town (like me)
- Titus is null

Zefiend, how do you go from this 32 hours ago to me lockscum without metioning me in-between?

[Taly]

I'm going to assume

Cheeky

was an intentional NK unless more conflicting information comes. Shelving all speculation there.

Galron

is just very protown in 1444 by helping me here.

zefiend

seems consistent mech wise but JK is a decent mafia fakeclaim. So I don't want to speed a lim here if it comes to this, I need to look at their play specifically.

Hell I wonder how much of my view of this game changes with

zefiend

-town.

[House]

Problem is, Cheeky STILL makes no sense as a NK.

Taly? Sure. Cheeky? Not even a little bit.

[Taly]

Why jail me?

Idk I was late submitting and although hardly active Day 1 I seemed to recall you were widely TR by people. Plus you're a vocal power player so a good target regardless.

Now I really gotta go so enjoy the shitshow til I get back.

Thanks for the ego stroke I guess lol