Micro 1043: League of Legends UPick - Game Over!

[.Ashe.]

More than enough reason to make it a temporary experience for you!

Attack: Warwick

[.Ashe.]

I felt like it.

[.Ashe.]

Yeah, I guess.

Do you think I am an evil rascal?

[.Ashe.]

Sounds fair. Why didn't you call Lulu your fur-iend with faer supporting you?

[.Ashe.]

Tbh I actually liked Caitlyn's naked shot at Warwick. I am assuming at that point she entered scum would rather take a shot elsewhere or try to fit in and do nothing harmful. Ganging up on a target with the only other attack doesn't strike me as the way to enter as scum imo, especially as low hp champion. The latter is also partly a reason I am rather suspicious of a call to attack her.

[.Ashe.]

Jarvan's takes on the abilities isn't that helpful as just the abilities for themselves are nai. In fact the only ability that caught my interest so far is Lulu casting faer heal/strengthening spell on Warwick, which strikes me as an unusual opening unless it was just on a whim.

I don't think there is ill intent behind Jarvan using his attack with bonus damage on Elise. His curiosity in the mechanics strikes me as genuine and it's not like his attack put Elise in a damning position.

[.Ashe.]

Literally I'm the only person who straight up asked for people to attack her,
next time you can just say my name.

This part is a valid point of view, but I still do feel like it's still suspicious of her to do, and certainly not something to townread her for. People wave away early game happenings too easily.

B..Bu..But I am so shy! Can I?

I mean yes, I meant you mainly, however I am also looking at those who are also on Caitlyn's trail like Amumu and maybe Warwick(?). I feel one of you three may be evil.

I agree that early happening shouldn't be waved away, but why is early "wagoning" like that scummy? She even followed up on it, even if her solve was mostly omgus. Taking the analogy of normal voting I think early bandwagoning generally comes equally from both sides and the context of this game is slightly different as was the way this game went from the beginning. Do you think Caitlyn misread the room when she entered the game like that?

Agreed, I think..?

...you think?

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Warwick

Doggo feels a bit too tame to me.

Also:

Ranger's Focus

for more arrows.

[.Ashe.]

I couldn't even pierce through your shield, like I am depressed.

[.Ashe.]

Where do you think I should look then though?

[.Ashe.]

Praise be.

I am a new player; first game .Ashe.. Heard she was getting buffed and wanted to learn her. Please give me some time (~24 hours) to grasp the mechanics.

I do not have much to go off of, but from the first page I believe

Caitlyn

and

Elise

to be allies.

I weakly suspect

Warwick

is an enemy, but if so, I cannot determine who, if any, of

Amumu

,

Gragas

, or

Lulu

would be partners from there.

The second page adds

Gragas

suspicion, and makes me lean

Lulu

as well.

However, there is a decent chance

Caitlyn

is right in their

Gragas

/

Amumu

callout (with

Lulu

as the third) if I am mistaken on my

Warwick

impression.

I believe

Lux

and

Jarvan IV

(Jarvan > Lux; both entrances looked positive but Jarvan's more so) to be allies, but not as much as

Caitlyn

is; they are similar to my

Elise

read in strength.

The third page does not impact those reads, although it does chance my stance slightly;
I see {

Lulu

,

Gragas

}, {

Lulu

,

Warwick

}, {

Amumu

,

Gragas

}, and {

Amumu

,

Warwick

}, so I lean towards

Gragas

+

Warwick

+ 1/2 of {

Lulu

,

Amumu

}.

The fourth page, 96 aligns with my own thoughts in an ally-indicative way; I feel

Elise

's aggression on

Jarvan

shows a town alignment even if I feel the push to be ill-advised.

Lux, lulu, gragas, amumu
None have been hit.
Do we think that increases scum odds or are these slots townread

The only of those I do not wish to attack is

Lux

.

tl;dr:

Caitlyn

strong

town;

Lux

,

Elise

town;

Jarvan IV

lean town;
3/4 {

Warwick

,

Gragas

,

Amumu

,

Lulu

} scum; lean towards

Gragas

+

Warwick

.

Attack: Warwick

[.Ashe.]

You don't really explain why you are attacking me. Could you elaborate on your read of me?

I think it's because of your manner of posting.

^This.

The fourth page, 96 aligns with my own thoughts in an ally-indicative way

what's the dissonance between your jarvan read (his entrance stronger than mine) and i being a higher townread about? you've not made comment about either of us (at least, in this post) that shows what would tip the scales.

You missed a spot. You were the author of 96. That was what strengthened my read on you to surpass

Jarvan IV

.

What?? Caitlyn did a naked attack

only

on page one, how does that make you believe shes more likely to be an ally? That seems like a bit much.

The attack on

Warwick

looked good to me.

These vibes were strengthened by

Caitlyn

's later posting.

The second page adds

Gragas

suspicion,

What about my posts there make you suspicious of me?

The attack on

Caitlyn

; 30 was forced in a "trying to hard to be town" way (I believe the accepted term for this is 'LAMIST'); 37 is further forcing with the LAMIST as well as pushing hard in a way that is unnatural.

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Gragas

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Gragas

Gragas

>

Lulu

>

Warwick

/

Amumu

is my preference right now.

[.Ashe.]

I also love tunneling.

Nothing tunneling in attacking a player who has shown every characteristic of being an enemy including opportunistic attacks against

Caitlyn

.

Attack: Gragas

.

[.Ashe.]

Well I wanted to kill

Gragas

today,

Lulu

, but if you insist on attacking the towniest slot in the game, you can eat my

Attack: Lulu

[.Ashe.]

i still do not see how you can find caitlyn to be towny, let alone so strongly

Every post

Caitlyn

makes bleeds a town alignment. 12 was a good attack to make on page one; there is an absolute zero percent chance of a scum player making the callout in 26; 27 has logic I largely agree with; substituting myself with

Lulu

, I genuinely would sheep 28 as my own reads mirror

Caitlyn

's at that point;

Caitlyn

's target focus has been on-point.

Attack: Lulu

[.Ashe.]

I dislike how fast everyone just piled up on .Lulu. Idiocy is not mafia perk.

Idiocy may not be an indicator of mafia, but it is a liability.

I actually would prefer to eliminate

Gragas

over

Lulu

.

However, if

Lulu

continues to attack

Caitlyn

who is now genuinely at half health and in danger of being focused down by burst damage, then

Lulu

can die in place of

Gragas

for the chainsaw defense of scum.

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Lulu

I realize I am squishy but I will risk the damage dealt to me.

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Lulu

[.Ashe.]

Okay so I'm spewed town now right

Yup!

As long as

Caitlyn

and I are alive, theoretically, we should be able to win any 2v2 fight so the game should be won for the town almost no matter what, but especially if I am correct that the remaining two scum are among {

Gragas

,

Warwick

,

Amumu

}.

Even in the worst-case scenario where all would be town, that would place us in a 3v2 which is very good for the town given 2/3 as hard-spewed town.

Say today we eliminate

Warwick

.
If he is scum, then we have 6/7 players as town and we are positioned for a win.
If he is town, then we have 5/7 players as town.

Say we then eliminate

Gragas

.
If he is scum, then if

Warwick

was scum we win; if

Warwick

was town, we have 5/6 players as town.
If he is town, then if

Warwick

was scum we have 5/6 players as town; if

Warwick

was town, we have 4/6 players as town.

Say we then eliminate

Amumu

.
If he is scum, then if either

Gragas

or

Warwick

were scum, we win; if both were town, we have 4/5 players as town.
If he is town, then if either

Gragas

or

Warwick

were scum, we have 4/5 players as town; if neither were scum, we go down to 3/5 players as town.

Given I would be one of those players and

Caitlyn

would be another, we would, with the three townflips on my main three suspects, be able to reassess and figure out the remaining two mafia in

Lux

,

Jarvan

, and

Elise

.

However, I believe

at least

one of {

Gragas

,

Warwick

,

Amumu

} should flip scum, if not two.

The order does not matter much but I believe all three should be our next three eliminations.

Attack: Warwick

This seems to be the overall favored next elimination.

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Jarvan IV

Attack: Elise

This is very unfavorable to both of them imo.

[.Ashe.]

.Ashe., mafia wins on parity.

I said that theoretically based on my abilities and her abilities, we

could

.

Not that the mod would allow it, or that we

should

.

I intend to win the game before then.

Attack: Warwick;

Ranger's Focus

[.Ashe.]

Ashe, I do not understand why you are attacking me.

I have three players, you among them, that I believe to contain both remaining scum.

All three should die in a row.

The order does not matter, but

one

of them needs to be first.

I went for you as you seemed to be the player that there was the most support for getting out first.

However, I am receptive to the other two options, such as this:

Attack: Amumu

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Gragas

Sure.

[.Ashe.]

I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for scum to defend each other

I should note: the reason I went for

Lulu

at all is her chainsaw-defense of

Gragas

.

While

Caitlyn

and I were attacking

Gragas

,

Lulu

went out of her way to help

Gragas

and attack both of us, but mainly the lower-health

Caitlyn

.

It is obviously possible that

Lulu

was defending town.

However, the partner equity

is

there.

Attack: Gragas

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Amumu;

Ranger's Focus

[.Ashe.]

Wait — take our time please

We can take our time to give more time to discuss the worst case scenario of 2 scum in {

Lux

,

Jarvan IV

,

Elise

}, but otherwise, I am going to stay the course.

We had one of the three flip town; this was inevitable, as there could only be two scum among the three.

We still have both

Amumu

and

Warwick

alive and I intend to eliminate both.

[.Ashe.]

Well I'd like to hear your thoughts on Amumu's solve

It would be my guess if

Amumu

were town, yes; of

Lux

,

Jarvan IV

, and

Elise

, my feelings are strongest on

Lux

as town, although I admit a need to reread to be certain.

I'm largely putting that off as a "cross that road

if

we come to it".

We only need a second scum elimination to brute force a town win. The only way we do not get that is if both

Amumu

and

Warwick

are town. In that worst case scenario, I feel like the optimal course of action would be for a ceasefire to happen, with anyone attacking without the consent of at least 3 players automatically being locked in as scum. During said ceasefire, we would then be able to review the information we have to get a better sense of which in the three remaining is town.

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Amumu

[.Ashe.]

Is lux and elise a possible team?

Sure, if

Amumu

,

Warwick

, and yourself are all town.

Attack: Amumu

My preference is

Amumu

>

Warwick

>

Elise

right now.

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Amumu

I'm not deviating from my plan.

[.Ashe.]

Volley: Amumu, Warwick, Jarvan IV

Warwick

is attempting to defend

Amumu

here.

I will not allow that.

Jarvan IV

, I only included you because I need 3 names for volley; you have a lot of health so were a safe option. I was hoping to hold off on revealing this ability until 5 players in the worst case scenario (since volley would allow me to stop all 3 of

Jarvan IV

,

Elise

, and

Lux

), but preventing my plan from being stopped takes priority over holding out on this.

[.Ashe.]

Please re-assess your reads, I am not scum and I think it is Elise and Jarvan IV. You are throwing the game if that is the case.

Respectfully, I have no need to reassess the reads because there is no throwing of the game to be had.

If you were to flip town and

Amumu

were also to flip town, it would not be game over. We would be in a 3v2. With

Caitlyn

as town, and myself as town, and with having volley at my disposal, it should be impossible for two scum to burst down one town.

You may be correct that

Elise

/

Jarvan IV

have scum in them.

But I feel I have the tools to prevent them from winning in a 5p.

So I will take that risk.

[.Ashe.]

Okay mb for doubting you Ashe

Attack: Warwick

To be fair, I am only two for three so far, and it is fully possible

Warwick

is town which would make me two for four.

Paranoia is natural, but I felt the strength of my plan was outweighed the paranoia, so I shall continue sticking to it.

Attack: Warwick

Ranger's Focus

[.Ashe.]

Attack: Warwick

Warwick

>

Jarvan IV

>

Lux

should in my opinion be the path to win. (I feel that

Elise

is town from

Amumu

, and

Caitlyn

is town from

Lulu

.)