Micro 1043: League of Legends UPick - Game Over!

[.Gragas.]

Attack: Caitlyn

Everyone else should do this as well.
All the cool kids hate on Caitlyn.

[.Caitlyn.]

Gragas/Ashe/Amumu

[.Caitlyn.]

Gragas I'm most confident on

Ignores Ashe to hit me after Amumu does

Amumu similarly reacts completely differently to Ashe and I attacking Warwick

Ashe is arguably TMI'd scum by the two of them being scum because what other reason do Amumu and Gragas have to target me over her

[.Caitlyn.]

So kill Gragas -> Amumu -> Ashe til we hit town cause they're linked in that order

[.Lulu.]

Caitlyn have you been spending too much time with VI??
Even Pix thinks you're kinda weird!! Right pix!!

[.Gragas.]

If you want to fight me Caitlyn, lets do it. Though I think it'll turn out very unfortunate for you. : (

Tell me what the difference between these are..? There's a clear difference in my eyes at least.

More than enough reason to make it a temporary experience for you!

Attack: Warwick

Attack: Warwick

The difference is, you made the attack naked while Ashe had some explanation that made it feel like a bit of a joke and not too alignment indicative. The lack of saying anything else makes it look like such an easy bandwagon, does it not? Early game bandwagons are easier to get away with too.
What do you think your attack will look like to anyone who isn't you?

It's a clear place for me to start at least, I don't actually care if people follow along with me or not.

[.Amumu.]

the bigger difference to me is that caitlyn came second, and the attack looked opportunistic. of course i will respond differently when the situation is different, and it is silly to pretend the situations aren't different. you shouldn't twist things like that. caitlyn = not a friend.

[.Amumu.]

i should also mention that gragas attacking could look opportunistic too, but at least he has a reason for it. and i agree with his attack and therefore gragas = friend (:
(until he leaves me or hurts me or dies like everyone else who i once thought was my friend)

[.Lux.]

what if i did something sick and twisted? right now? would everyone be mad at me?

[.Warwick.]

I disagree with Caitlyn and agree with Gragas. The two attacks were different. I can see the attack as being a reaction test just to see who responded and how, but it almost looks a little forced to make a complete solve from it. I do not think there is enough information yet.

[.Caitlyn.]

It's page two yes my solve isn't perfect or unchangeable but it's what I've got atm

[.Lux.]

whether or not a Mafioso would rely on this as WIFOM is up in the air, but a post offering a solve like that is going to surely draw attention that i don't think a Mafioso would want to make.

everyone recognizes how unnatural it is to make a page 2 solve. yes we have minimal information. these things are obvious but figuring out why a Mafioso would want to make a page two solve and garner that much attention is something people would benefit from.

[.Gragas.]

I disagree with Caitlyn and agree with Gragas. The two attacks were different. I can see the attack as being a reaction test just to see who responded and how, but it almost looks a little forced to make a complete solve from it. I do not think there is enough information yet.

If Caitlyn was reaction testing, sure I could see that, but she should then be expecting a reaction and thinking beyond the basic "omgus + Ashe" solve she has. But no, obviously anyone who attacks her must be scum.

I like Luxs post although it leaves me wanting more.

[.JarvanIV.]

By my will, this shall be finished.

Since this game is primarily based on mech, I will freely speculate, in order to get some more discussion flowing.

Elise

has used all her mana, which suggests transforming into

Spider Form

is her ultimate. However, it didn't do any immediate damage or make any apparent changes, so I would suspect that Spider Form has some additional utility/strength that Elise is hoping to roll over into Day 2. Another possibility is that it was used purely defensively, and that something will happen when Elise is attacked.

Now, since I'm a nice Tank, I am going to

Attack: Elise

purely as an experiment

to see how things will affect her in Spider form; I should hope that nothing too dramatic happens to me or her, but I would rather get this out of the way while we are all healthy than be stuck in the endgame not knowing what's up with Spider Form.

To comment on others abilities and activity: If

Amumu

knew

that attacking Caitlyn would give her a debuff, then the attack looks a little susp. to me, because Caitlyn is already squishy and this could even be seen as an outward act of aggression.

Ashe

on the other hand

binded

Warwick

, but 4 hours seems like such a small window, especially given the speed the game is moving right now. So, I would wager that binding is a strictly defensive ability and I would even go as far to say that that makes me lean-town on Ashe. I know it is early, but again, this game is heavily mech-focused and I feel confident making calls like that.

Lastly, if we wager that everyone's "ultimate" is very impactful, then it seems like it will be forced out at some point in time, whether to secure a "lim" or prevent a valuable town "lim."

Therefore I would suggest that moving forward, it is only sensible (and arguably Pro-Town move) to announce before using an Ultimate with intention and purpose.

[.Caitlyn.]

Jarvan did you miss that roles came before alignment?

[.Gragas.]

Spoiler:

[.Amumu.]

If Amumu knew that attacking Caitlyn would give her a debuff, then the attack looks a little susp. to me, because Caitlyn is already squishy and this could even be seen as an outward act of aggression.

i did know. i think it would be very obvious if someone tried to take advantage of that debuff this early by using a spell, though, and whoever did that would rightly draw a lot of attention. so i think it wasn't too dangerous.

i think your choice of attacking elise to test if spider form does anything as a result is a strange one. you could always try asking what it does instead.

[.Lulu.]

the bigger difference to me is that caitlyn came second, and the attack looked opportunistic. of course i will respond differently when the situation is different, and it is silly to pretend the situations aren't different. you shouldn't twist things like that. caitlyn = not a friend.

Giggles excessively

[.Lulu.]

OOOOOO thats too teeny!!

Will make that bigger, next time!!

[.Lulu.]

what if i did something sick and twisted? right now? would everyone be mad at me?

You should do it!!

[.Lulu.]

By my will, this shall be finished.

Since this game is primarily based on mech, I will freely speculate, in order to get some more discussion flowing.

Elise

has used all her mana, which suggests transforming into

Spider Form

is her ultimate. However, it didn't do any immediate damage or make any apparent changes, so I would suspect that Spider Form has some additional utility/strength that Elise is hoping to roll over into Day 2. Another possibility is that it was used purely defensively, and that something will happen when Elise is attacked.

Now, since I'm a nice Tank, I am going to

Attack: Elise

purely as an experiment

to see how things will affect her in Spider form; I should hope that nothing too dramatic happens to me or her, but I would rather get this out of the way while we are all healthy than be stuck in the endgame not knowing what's up with Spider Form.

To comment on others abilities and activity: If

Amumu

knew

that attacking Caitlyn would give her a debuff, then the attack looks a little susp. to me, because Caitlyn is already squishy and this could even be seen as an outward act of aggression.

Ashe

on the other hand

binded

Warwick

, but 4 hours seems like such a small window, especially given the speed the game is moving right now. So, I would wager that binding is a strictly defensive ability and I would even go as far to say that that makes me lean-town on Ashe. I know it is early, but again, this game is heavily mech-focused and I feel confident making calls like that.

Lastly, if we wager that everyone's "ultimate" is very impactful, then it seems like it will be forced out at some point in time, whether to secure a "lim" or prevent a valuable town "lim."

Therefore I would suggest that moving forward, it is only sensible (and arguably Pro-Town move) to announce before using an Ultimate with intention and purpose.

.... shiiiiiiiiiinnnnnyyyyyyy.......

OOO I MAKE PEOPLE BIGGER!! I'm a good support and a mean mid laner!!

[.Amumu.]

38 Jarvan IV attacks Elise (5 + 10 Bonus Damage(Martial Cadence)) (Elise 100 -> 85)

wait jarvan, you did 15 damage?? and framed it as an experiment done by a nice tank?? and you're saying that me doing 5 damage and putting an effect on cait that increases spell damage by 3 for 48h was an act of aggression?? i do not trust that your approach here comes from a place of niceness

[.JarvanIV.]

38 Jarvan IV attacks Elise (5 + 10 Bonus Damage(Martial Cadence)) (Elise 100 -> 85)

wait jarvan, you did 15 damage??

Yes, I did. My first attack of the day deals bonus damage.

and framed it as an experiment done by a nice tank??

Yes, I announced my intentions, unlike everyone else randomly attacking.

and you're saying that me doing 5 damage and putting an effect on cait that increases spell damage by 3 for 48h was an act of aggression??

Yes, because your attack is more susceptible to piling up through random antics, whereas mine was premeditated for a specific game purpose.

i do not trust that your approach here comes from a place of niceness

*

Laughs

*

Let's see what it actually accomplished:

Elise

didn't die, she didn't take extra damage (from being in Spider Form), she didn't take

reduced

damage, she didn't deflect or reflect my attack. So while not telling us specifically anything, it does tell us a lot of

un

things.

Elise

is more than welcome to share details about Spider Form herself, but I'm actually satisfied with the inferences I can draw from my attack.

[.JarvanIV.]

Jarvan did you miss that roles came before alignment?

No, why?

[.Gragas.]

Honestly I thought it was obvious what her spider form does. Don't see why you needed to test it but okay.