Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!

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(5): Save the Dragons, MegAzumarill, Dwlee99, Val89, Esooa

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: February 14, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2022-02-13 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Val89]

I am, in fact, a PR, and one with a clear on MegA last night (I think), so we should be in a good place today once we figure out what happened N1. I am curious as to why MegA specifically wants me to claim, unless they got a result on me N1 and know I am a PR, but they are killed by that kill, since I had them in jail.

I am a JOAT. My crumb is in post 218, the first letter of every word following the comma in each sentence.

The rest of my reads,

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ust in case.

I'm townreading Essoa as I said previously,

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verall this is my strongest read. I'm also townleaning Meg and Prism,

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nd I would call Three a townlean independantly of the issue I have with the timing of bugspray's "can I interest you elsewhere" post but because of it, on a scum!bugspray flip, as I expect, I would be looking there more closely, as I would STD.

Dwlee is null currently,

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here was an initial temptation to consider 119 the laziest chainsaw defense there ever was; but I can see a possible town motivation for it if they were waiting to see who bites. Not much else going on with that slot.

STD scumlean, Pav and bugspray scum.

It was the fact I was a JOAT is what gave rise to my suspicions about both StDs and Pavs claim (and why those reads in that readlist above are as they were), and part of the reason I thought there was potentially 3 scum because of the over-abundance of power roles, albeit all ones that appear to be limited shots, in this game. I fully suspect, and I think Pavs death indicates this, alongside the balance considerations, that the remaining scum (and it's confirmed as 2 now, correct?) has to be a PR as well. I was suprised to see Pooky flip as a mafia JK since I had a one-shot JK ability but I suspect that was to add some confusion as to what was being done by scum, and what was being done by town roles, which makes the fact I had a checker ability make a little more sense than it did right at the start.

I tried to get a cop on Dwlee N1, but got no result. My initial suspicion was that scum had found my crumb, and suspected StD had Rb'd me. The early claim they RB'd Esooa convinced me that StD was legit and pushed me more into suspecting Pav over StD, but while the concensus was for 2 scum (and I was unable to challenge that without claiming myself, which I thought would be a mistake) I thought 3 was still possible, and bugspray had to be one of those whomever they were partnered with. After that hammer without a claim though, I did consider JKing Pav last night, but I decided last minitue I couldn't risk stopping him from using his ability if he was legit (and it looks like that was a good call), I wasn't sure what value the checker shot would be on anyone, and decided to try instead to use my JK slot to get a clear on the most contenious slot (also looking like a good call, since I did).

I think figuring out why I got no result N1 is going to solve this game. If the confirmation of Esooa as vanilia stands up (and by that, I mean if I was right to townlock StD and they haven't lied about RBing Esooa and actually RB'd me N1) then I think that is as good as a cop mech-clear, because the remaining scum (and it is only one, else game would be over, right?) HAS to be a PR with 4 town PRs, limited in power or not, running around. Meg is clear, since Pav died.

That leaves two slots, and we can afford one mis-lim today. GG. Mods were right about this one being swingy, but it looks like its swung in our favour.

[Dwlee99]

Meg claim?

[MegAzumarill]

Val you jailkept me last night, correct?
That would explain a lot

[MegAzumarill]

I'll fullclaim when I get the confirmation and we should be able to solve from there

[Val89]

Val you jailkept me last night, correct?

Correct.

but they are killed by that kill, since I had them in jail.

That was supposed to say "cleared by that kill".

I am making the assumption there is no possible way MegA could be scum who made the Pav kill while I had them in a cell, but I am 99% sure I am correct in that assumption. The 1% is the only reason for the parenthesis in that last post.

[MegAzumarill]

I'll just do it now I suppose

I'm a novice tracker and a tracked dwlee last night and Dwlee did not visit.

My conclusion is that StD is Mafia Roleblocker that roleblocked bal twice or Val is Mafia, much more likely the former.

Mafia getting 2 roleblocking roles is sketch though, so possibly StD is a MUB

[MegAzumarill]

StD-> Val is mechanically a confirmed win except the possibility of me both being able to roleblock and strongman which isn't strictly impossible but we can cross that if StD is town

[MegAzumarill]

I suppose if Dwlee is a ninja UB or Ninja roleblocker it fails as well

[Val89]

No, that doesn't work. You are claiming a result while I jailkept you?

[MegAzumarill]

Yes I received a result last night.
If you were roleblocked n2 or lying is the only chance of that happening fmpov.

[MegAzumarill]

I hifgly doubt you do that as scum when i claimed not vt and its obvious im not a killstopper ergo it's StD

Most likely StD is Mafia Universal Backup

[MegAzumarill]

Esooa and Dwlee are p much conf!town either way

[Val89]

If I was stopped you aren't cleared at all, then.

I do have to ask myself why you would make such a claim after I cleared you if you were scum, however, so I guess you can still be town for that.

What about N1, then? Your theory is StD roleblocks me twice, fine - maybe scum spotted the crumb and knew they had to keep me locked down, I can buy that. Why claim a clear on Esooa? StDs came before Pavs, remember...

[MegAzumarill]

If I was scum wouldn't I just claim bodyguard and win?
Also if we roleblocked each other theoretically would I even be able to make the kill? It would be paradoxical at best.
Std needed to claim someone as a target, so why not Esooa? They were townread by a few townies at least and had hammered scum.

[Val89]

If it matters, my N1 'result' was that I got no result, but that my cop shot had been used and I would not be able to use it again this game.

Perhaps that means something to someone else, I'm not familar enough with JOAT mechanics (this game is the first time I've seen the role, never mind played it) to understand if using the shot up indicates something specific about whether I was blocked or not.

[MegAzumarill]

That is standard roleblock mechanics
You lose the shot if roleblocked

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like sending StD now and having this argument tomorrow if it gets there is best.
Let's scum have less info on which way Vts will decide.(Also I'm 90% sure we just win)
VOTE: Save the Dragons

[Val89]

If I was scum wouldn't I just claim bodyguard and win?

If you were scum, you could have claimed anything with no result and won. I was working on the assumption that you had been tucked up safely and couldn't have murdered Pav since I wasn't told otherwise.

Std needed to claim someone as a target, so why not Esooa?

Why not claim the truth? Or even better, if they had figured the crumb, why not kill me before Pav? Pav probably would have been up for a potential mislim today.

Either way, I think StD needs to chime in here and shed some light.

Pedit: No, I don't want to rush this. We have ONE mis-lim in hand, and if StD is town, their info could be vital in sorting out what's what here. Let's not risk them taking it to the grave with them now if there is going to be a tomorrow.

[Val89]

Or even better, if they had figured the crumb, why not kill me before Pav?

Or more to the point, over Prism.

[MegAzumarill]

I had originally thought the Pav kill was because the last scum was a ninja.

Pav still can catch Std or clear someone else with their check.
Why they changed their target I don't know, but I think it's probably from them wanting to sidestep responsibility for stopping PRs. If they had to do it more rhan once it would be a giveaway.

I think they roleblocked you because you were generally townread so any result you posted would be taken at face value

[Save The Dragons]

I'm a 1 shot RB I targeted esooa night 1. Need some time to think about this.

[MegAzumarill]

it's a weird endgame where the vanilla players are the clears

[Val89]

Alright, that does make some sense, although I still wonder why not RB me and kill Pav or vice versa N1.

In any case, I would like to hear from everyone before we consider yeeting anyone today, however much it feels like it ends the game. I was something like 85% sure it was going to be over when we flipped bugspray, and look how that turned out.

pedit: OK. Someone is telling porkie pies somewhere, then.

[Val89]

Ninja explains MegA's N2 result on Dwlee, if that is legit, but not my lack-of, correct?