Micro 1042: Meme Wars | Fin!

[MegAzumarill]

Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia ???

??? MUST have a roleblocking ability if Val is town (probably Universal Backup)

2-Shot Role Cop
VT x3

2/3 of :
Novice Tracker
Jack of All Trades [Cop, Jailkeeper, Checker]
1 Shot Roleblocker

[MegAzumarill]

Ninja explains MegA's N2 result on Dwlee, if that is legit, but not my lack-of, correct?

Yes it would mean Dwlee could be scum unless they both roleblocked you and were a ninja and I find both at once unlikely to the point of ruling it out

[MegAzumarill]

If Val is scum: could be any role
If I am scum: must be a roleblocker that has immunity to RB or out prioritizes Jk.
If StD is scum: must be a roleblocker of any sort
If Esooa is scum: Impossible via Pav's result and Val/my results
If Dwlee is scum: Must be a ninja roleblocker and ninja killer

[Val89]

When you spell it out like that, it is even more clear whatever role the remaining scum has, it has to be extremely powerful. If we are theorising a ninja Dwlee, that would make it 3/3 with 2xVT.

I wonder if Dwlee decodes the crumb and still pushes me as scum D1, knowing I'm claiming at E-1 and it's not going likley going to happen. That doesn't see very likley, and they have gotten very lucky otherwise.

[MegAzumarill]

No one is decoding the crumb my guy

[Val89]

Then why target me N1?

[MegAzumarill]

Do you think there's an obvious better choice?
If it's Std targeting Pav n1 would be extremely suspicious so who else

[Esooa]

All the claims confuse me because I hate mech

My first thought for today is that STD being a wolf would still be incredibly surprising. I will re-read their interactions with Three/Pooky, but I recall STD pushing on them very early. It could just be them trying to distance, but I don't remember either of Three or Pooky playing into this dynamic. I mostly recall Pooky pushing me, then Val. If they're a wolf getting bussed (which I also think is very likely, and I'll say why later), why are they doing nothing but pushing townies, and really not to much avail? Their push on me never actually had a case to it, mostly just them saying "remember this game?" that only Prism, I think, was in, same with Val.

Which also just makes me wonder, what was up with the Val and Pooky interactions? Why does wolf Pooky do what they did? Get in an argument with Val, make them their top scum read, do all this, before dying? Are they just here to spew townies clear?

I don't really think so, and the reason I think Pooky was being bussed, by the way, was because of the way they played between giving their final reads list type thing and death. They clearly were around and reading the thread, seeing as they responded so quickly to being hammered, but they weren't trying to post themselves clear and they weren't trying to fish for an alternative kill when people like Bugspray were being pushed by me.

I don't think if there's a wolf who is working to not get Pooky killed that Pooky plays like this, being in thread but not taking simple measures to live, and it makes much more sense that they were bussed. I also think that Pooky doesn't accept getting bussed while doing nothing of note to interact with their partner. Both of these things from memory lead me to thinking Val fits most readily as a partner of Pooky.

[Val89]

The last normal game I played had asetic backups, which would explain my N1 result, without needing to target me, but not yours. It was a definitive "did not visit", correct?

[MegAzumarill]

Yeah it was definitely not a no result
My action was successful, which also means Dwlee is not Ascetic

[Esooa]

tempted to punish you all for being dumb

We won't be punished if you're scum.

there is nothing in my statement that contradicts your statement

I'm not heavy into the lore but isn't he technically some guy who got turned into a rat man?

you are correct i was just trying to get to the right ballpark from "ferret" and "otter"

slightly awkward interaction between STD and Three

[Esooa]

i wasn't going to but i didn't feel like voting prism anymore

Why did you not fell like voting Prism anymore here?

[Esooa]

My RVS on STD is no longer RVS, it's now an AVS (actual vote, seriously)

I'm not seeing this one. Is this based on the bugspray vote?

notable interaction if anyone wants to meta read, though I don't think I will. Mostly to ask the question if Val will defend or be quick to shade partners early. I typically would assume people are quick to shade as that's more common in my experience, so this would be a good look nothing else considered

[Esooa]

i'm a 1 shot RB

i'm also living in a covid world that sucks so maybe i'm not exactly rosy all the time

VOTE: Three

tell me i'm OTT

tell me i'm just OMGUSing because i'm scum

It'd be an interesting decision to decide to push your partner only after having claimed a PR, but I can see it if STD is expecting to be outed at some point this day or later and wants some distance now.

I kinda think the emotional reaction to Three's posts in the third quote is genuine though, not particularly feeling that post is w/w

[Dwlee99]

I AM CONFTOWN LET'S GOOOO

[Esooa]

VOTE: Bugspray

Yeah, this feels off. How many times has Dwlee actively contributed, by that definition? In fact, what about me? It looks like one of those metrics thats makes sense on the surface, but it's obviously a bunch of crap after a moments reflection.

Is a Three wagon something you don't want taking off, for some reason?

The bolded reads to me like an awkward awareness of your own partner. Val, as a wolf here, would be aware that their partner is being pushed now, and in response to it doesn't want to join, but sets it up as a periphery read as something to call back to later. To get credit for pointing this out later if presumably Three does flip, to push Bugspray after that happens, etc.

[Esooa]

VOTE: STD

Is Wheel of Time actually any good? The series on Amazon looks very...not good, which isn't a good sign for the LOTR adaptation they're also doing. I'm assuming it's a "just read the books" kind of situation because a quick Google search shows that the fanbase is really passionate.

I never finished the series. I stopped after like book five or six, which should tell you something

Of course the fact that the series has that many books should also tell you something

The Amazon LOTR adaptation can get hecked also, the LOTR trilogy is transcendent and everything after that is just chasing smoke

Ah, yeah that sounds about right. Also agree about LOTR, The Hobbit movies were probably the first time I was severely let down after a bunch of hype.

weird post maybe, honestly just cause they went back to respond to an older post when they had read and were aware enough of the newer posts to comment about the game in regards to some

VOTE: Dragons

since WHEN

since WHEN IS THIS AN ISSUE

Initially I was a bit thrown off by this since tonally it felt out of place. Like I can see the intensity STD mentions, but I can tell it's just a joke since RVS was stalling and it seemed like everyone was waiting for something to happen. This low key did help to get us out of RVS though so I don't think it's a bad post.

maybe good post but meh tone

what were you, what were they

Town & Town

VOTE: bugspray

Uh. Not liking this vote at all.

this post was kinda funny cause it's not like prism saying in one specific instance bugspray did the same thing they did here as town, should mean that they shouldn't be voted or that it's what prompted it or any such thing. I'd call it a wolfy oversight because of commenting on things without putting real thought into it but I'm not sure, not knowing three

STD's reactions to pressure feel so OTT that I'm not sure it's even real. Like he's clearly flailing here, but it comes off like he's trying to signal a townie flail by being indignant, and voting emotionally and outside of his scum reads (or what I assume were scum reads on Prism and Bugspray). He's also doing what he can to keep the spotlight on him, but isn't doing much with the attention, mainly just complaining about getting voted instead of doing much to solve. I feel pretty confident in saying that it's a manufactured flail, like a refuge in audacity type of situation. My vote stays.

agree this post isn't great. The mirroring in reasons to prism is pretty notable, mostly in that this post explains what prism did but in a worse way

damn I didn't even remember I had like 4 good reasons to scum read this slot and I ended up EoD1 just thinking they were town for how they got mad at stuff lmao

fuck reading into people getting annoyed or indignant or anything else at stuff

[Esooa]

i'm a 1 shot RB

i'm also living in a covid world that sucks so maybe i'm not exactly rosy all the time

VOTE: Three

tell me i'm OTT

tell me i'm just OMGUSing because i'm scum

STD's reactions to pressure feel so OTT that I'm not sure it's even real. Like he's clearly flailing here, but it comes off like he's trying to signal a townie flail by being indignant, and voting emotionally and outside of his scum reads (or what I assume were scum reads on Prism and Bugspray). He's also doing what he can to keep the spotlight on him, but isn't doing much with the attention, mainly just complaining about getting voted instead of doing much to solve. I feel pretty confident in saying that it's a manufactured flail, like a refuge in audacity type of situation. My vote stays.

calmed down a little but don't think i'm OTT at all, i've been clearly upset but not OTT. Three's framing the argument in a way to make me look like something i'm not.

i don't know why scum would keep the spotlight on themselves especially after having a tumultuous opening, why wouldn't i just try to fade into the background

i don't think this post comes from a town mindset

I'm not framing anything. If you expected me to somehow know that Covid would affect your mood at game start, then sorry, I'm literally never going to assume that. And honestly it isn't fair to me to just spring that on me and frame it as me being scummy and trying to take make you look bad. It's just an AtE reversal that makes me look like an asshole when that was never my intention.

It's also inaccurate to say my post doesn't come from a town mindset when I literally just finished a game where I had that exact mindset as town. I caught scum early who was acting indignant and not bothering to solve, but then they had an AtE meltdown that got me mislimmed instead while they endgamed town and won. Coming fresh off of that game, I'm going to be sensitive and paranoid to anyone following a similar pattern.

If you'd lead with why you weren't in a good mood I would've been understanding. But that isn't what happened, and I'm not walk back my mindset now, because my reaction was genuine.

This seems like a genuine attempt to try to change STD's mind

[Esooa]

I'm not framing anything. If you expected me to somehow know that Covid would affect your mood at game start, then sorry, I'm literally never going to assume that. And honestly it isn't fair to me to just spring that on me and frame it as me being scummy and trying to take make you look bad. It's just an AtE reversal that makes me look like an asshole when that was never my intention.

yeah that wasn't fair i'm sorry for that

my point was more that it's not me being scum that's making me emotional

spamming slightly but just quoting for relevance

[Val89]

All the claims confuse me because I hate mech

Yeah, with the conclusion you come to, it shows.

Why does wolf Pooky do what they did? Get in an argument with Val, make them their top scum read, do all this, before dying? Are they just here to spew townies clear?

Personally, I think they were expecting to win that little 1v1 and get me mislimed. My logical, methological style of play always seems to be the target of the memers and social-more-than-deduction players, and my (admitedly limited) experiance out side the newbie queue would suggest I usually come worse off in the exchange amongst the mafiascum regulars. I don't understand it, but I almost expect it at this point.

@STD: Why

did

you chose to target Esooa N1?

[Esooa]

I'm going to stop for now on page 9

[Save The Dragons]

still trying to wrap my head around the claims clearly something is wrong

[Save The Dragons]

i wasn't going to but i didn't feel like voting prism anymore

Why did you not fell like voting Prism anymore here?

just their interaction with me felt genuine

[Save The Dragons]

@STD: Why did you chose to target Esooa N1?

i came to the (possibly incorrect/possibly correct) conclusion pooky was bussed but i didn't know by whom. i originally submitted bugspray but i convinced myself that esooa's plopping of the hammer was more likely to be a bus giving up pooky in exchange for some town cred.

either way it looks like i wasn't saving prism :/

[fferyllt]

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