Mini Theme 2264: Fusion Upick | Post Game

[Toogeloo]

And tell me everything you've done with it.

[Enchant]

Ircher claimed ascetic to prevent potential checks.

Disapprove this statement.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Enchant
I'm ascetic.

Or an arsonist - given that was my submission.

Amazing.

OK so given the asetic claim, what have you learned?

[Ircher]

Two of you will know tonight. They can share the following day if they'd like, or they can pass. I'm leaving the choice to them.

[Galron]

What does that mean?

[Enchant]

Ircher probably hardly tipping he can target people "Dousing" them and then "Ignite" and create hood with them. Did i quess?

Why he can't say that directly and in clear manner?
Idk.

[Almost50]

I think it means Ircher has primed 2 players and will ignite tonight but their death is delayed to the next night. (But don't quote me on anything cuz it seems like my mind is always going places that I misinterpreted my own role, and as a result I can now say I have no guilty on Ircher regardless of whether he was Ascetic or not)

OK, so I was a "Host" which I took to be a Reflexive Neighborizer. The description of my role can be interpreted both ways and I was under the impression a hood would be created

because

someone (or more) targeted me. The hood lasts for a day (the day next to that night I was targeted). On D2 I was in a hood all by myself which can be explained by Andante's flip (at least in my mind it did).

In D3 (today) I also found myself all alone in a new hood, and the only 2 explanations I had were that Dwlee somehow decided to target me of all people or -much more likely- I was targeted by the ASCETIC so my ability didn't affect them.

When Ircher withdrew the Ascetic claim I still couldn't imagine Dwlee targeted me, so I asked the mod and... *Sigh* .. my ability actually creates a hood regardless and then if I am targeted the player(s) are added to it. So I could very well have not been visited by anyone and I still got the hoods (the D2 one was already locked by the end of yesterday)

So, when I thought Ircher visited me I was like "If he was an Investigative he knows I'm town so why would he still include me in his solve? If he was an informative he knows I didn't go anywhere. If he is a protective it doesn't make sense that he protects me and call me scum at the same time", so the only option left is he was a Scum PR himself, and that's the "guilty" I was talking about

Now regardless of that, I still do not feel like Ircher's reaction was one of disbelief or even skepticism, but rather one of scum resigned to the fact they have been caught, but -much to my dismay- I can't say I have anything solid on him anymore.

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

VOTE: Almost50
Actually, you explanation makes very little sense. In particular, if "In D3 (today) I also found myself all alone in a new hood, and the only 2 explanations I had were that Dwlee somehow decided to target me of all people or -much more likely- I was targeted by the ASCETIC so my ability didn't affect them." was the case, that would only serve to reinforce that I was an ascetic, not contradict it. Since when is visiting someone a crime? (Hint: It isn't unless the visited target was killed. Clearly, Almost50 was not killed.) This doesn't line up with how you claimed your role as a hard guilty to begin with.

"[...] so the only option left is he was a Scum PR himself, and that's the "guilty" I was talking about": Hold up, there are way more roles than the ones you considered. Fruit Vendor, Visitor, and Neighborizer are just a few that would give no indication of your alignment. Roleblockers is another example and can be both town and scum aligned. Instead of approaching this from a neutral standpoint, you approached it in a manner that automatically presumed I was scum. You wanted to find a reason to scum read, and you did. You're scum trying to score me as the final mislim.

[Radical Rat]

A50's logic here is... Extremely incorrect. BUT, it seems like it comes from a Town mindset.

Like, he started off claiming a guilty. We know at least one investigative role is still in the game (Two cop flips, so probably no cops anymore, but one watcher flip and one gunsmith flip, which means there's another role out there with a watcher component, and one with a gunsmith component), so why back down on that to do the whole reflexive neighbor thing? Especially while unvoting and admitting that the reflexive neighbor thing actually had no bearing on any of this?

If A50 were scum trying to push an easy mislim, all he'd have to do is stick to that guilty, and piece together a version of a role that gives him one.

[Toogeloo]

Not actively but I think you're in the PoE

What is your PoE?

Town

Nathan, Nordom, almost
Enchant, Galron, rr
toog, flea - null
Ircher, greeting

Scum

Everyone null and below can just go into the PoE by default

Give me a new reads list, por favor.

[Toogeloo]

I'm of the mind that eliminating Ircher here is the correct play solely on the "Lim all Liars," principle. The ascetic claim wasn't done in good faith or in jest, so the only reason to claim it would be to avoid town from targeting them.

Enchant, I think it's time you claim considering we don't have much in the way of disposable votes going forward. You have a confirmed Townie requesting it, and I'm more likely to be killed.tonight than you are.

Afterwards, we can discuss if we want the remaining players to claim.

[Enchant]

Aye.

I am Town Siren. I submitted Lighting Rod of course. Probably i am reason why Andante role so sucks.

I passively charm everyone who voting me, and then not voting anyone else (They can unvote or vote self though). At night i can sing and redirect every charmed person on me.
And that's it. I only redirected Galron on me N1 so far. At night 2 i did nothing (thx).

[Radical Rat]

So you're saying your begging for votes was with the knowledge that it fucks up everyone else's actions?

[MegAzumarill]

Replacing Nathann

[Enchant]

So you're saying your begging for votes was with the knowledge that it fucks up everyone else's actions?

I looked on it from other perspective.

But yes.

[Toogeloo]

Would you redirect Mafia night kills if the mafiosi doing the kill was also voting you that day?

[MegAzumarill]

Noraa Replaces Nathann

[Noraa]

HALLO!

[Noraa]

I'm a miller. I kept thinking my predecessor was memeing because what in the world is you show up as town adn scum but welcome to the world of PARADOX

[Noraa]

The fusion mechanic makes no sense also. and I've read that over like five times. Two random lists and then .... ???????????????????

[Noraa]

nathan picked miller but im a paradox because..

[Flea The Magician]

I think it means Ircher has primed 2 players and will ignite tonight but their death is delayed to the next night. (But don't quote me on anything cuz it seems like my mind is always going places that I misinterpreted my own role, and as a result I can now say I have no guilty on Ircher regardless of whether he was Ascetic or not)

OK, so I was a "Host" which I took to be a Reflexive Neighborizer. The description of my role can be interpreted both ways and I was under the impression a hood would be created

because

someone (or more) targeted me. The hood lasts for a day (the day next to that night I was targeted). On D2 I was in a hood all by myself which can be explained by Andante's flip (at least in my mind it did).

In D3 (today) I also found myself all alone in a new hood, and the only 2 explanations I had were that Dwlee somehow decided to target me of all people or -much more likely- I was targeted by the ASCETIC so my ability didn't affect them.

When Ircher withdrew the Ascetic claim I still couldn't imagine Dwlee targeted me, so I asked the mod and... *Sigh* .. my ability actually creates a hood regardless and then if I am targeted the player(s) are added to it. So I could very well have not been visited by anyone and I still got the hoods (the D2 one was already locked by the end of yesterday)

So, when I thought Ircher visited me I was like "If he was an Investigative he knows I'm town so why would he still include me in his solve? If he was an informative he knows I didn't go anywhere. If he is a protective it doesn't make sense that he protects me and call me scum at the same time", so the only option left is he was a Scum PR himself, and that's the "guilty" I was talking about

Now regardless of that, I still do not feel like Ircher's reaction was one of disbelief or even skepticism, but rather one of scum resigned to the fact they have been caught, but -much to my dismay- I can't say I have anything solid on him anymore.

How serious is this post A50?

[Enchant]

Would you redirect Mafia night kills if the mafiosi doing the kill was also voting you that day?

I redirect all actions, including nightkills.

My plan was to prove people as not killers (or die gloriously and draw my voter with me next day, how luck) but i actually screwing around whole game. Why i have problem with drawing votes when i NEED it...

Just in a case, everyone who i redirected Knows about it (via special song message), but only if it affected them at all. Galron called he was roleblocked (or thought so) but received message, so i writed him as NotInvestigator/Killer. Idk what he used on me.

[Radical Rat]

The fusion mechanic makes no sense also. and I've read that over like five times. Two random lists and then .... ???????????????????

Let's say, hypothetically, you were number 1 on the first list, and number 7 on the second. Your pick (Miller) would be fused with whatever the pick of number 7 on the first list was, in your case most likely IC or something similar.

Actual role name and mechanics are then up to Meg's interpretation. Miller and IC are contradictory, leading to you appearing as both Guilty and Innocent simultaneously, and now dubbed Paradox.