Mini 2265: Bears with Guns 2: Pandamonium game over

[JacksonVirgo]

Dont care if this is a useless scream of a dead man. I am confident

[Nero Cain]

Vote Count 2.3

Panda fact #15:Most newborn pandas die from diseases or because the mother panda accidentally crushes them.

[2]Toogeloo:

MathBlade, Dwlee99

[2]Greeting:

Malakittens, Cat Scratch Fever

[1]Malakittens:

Greeting

[1]Dwlee99:

wavemode

[1]MegAzumarill:

StrangeMatter

[1]wavemode:

MegAzumarill

[1]Cat Scratch Fever:

JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (2):

Toogeloo, Vanderscamp

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, March 17th at 5:30ish pm CST.

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[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 2.3

Panda fact #15:Most newborn pandas die from diseases or because the mother panda accidentally crushes them.

[2]Toogeloo:

MathBlade, Dwlee99

[2]Greeting:

Malakittens, Cat Scratch Fever

[1]Malakittens:

Greeting

[1]Dwlee99:

wavemode

[1]MegAzumarill:

StrangeMatter

[1]wavemode:

MegAzumarill

[1]Cat Scratch Fever:

JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (2):

Toogeloo, Vanderscamp

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, March 17th at 5:30ish pm CST.

Deadline Timer:

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Imagine getting crushed by ur mother

[Malakittens]

Rip

puts a whole new spin on "love you to death", huh?

[MathBlade]

Again Mala/Greeting: Who else is scum?

[Toogeloo]

Oh yeah, this game.

Holy crap, I'm in way too much right now.

<3 dwlee for getting the math joke. I did pick 91° specifically because it could be interpreted in a couple ways, one of which dwlee pointed out (you aren't right), the other is you are being obtuse going after LHF.

[Toogeloo]

I thought it was clever.

*pats back*

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I feel this is scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I feel this is scum.

Agreed

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you reciprocate my reasoning at all though

[Toogeloo]

Do you reciprocate my reasoning at all though

I had a suspicion based on Day 1 activity. I don't not disagree with your reasoning though.

[wavemode]

Can you expand on these thoughts?

What makes Dwlee99 scum? Tbh I'd like you to expand on all of those reads.

I'll focus on the scum leans

strangematter I feel like has mostly not taken hard stances this game. just lots of "i agree with that" and "I disagree with that". it feels like fake participation

dwlee hopped on toog for some reason like "he is not even making an attempt at being game advancing" which, idk feels like a very shallow read. that is, both the notion that toog has done nothing to advance the game, and the notion that, if he hasn't, that means he is scum. both notions feel shallow. yet he's remained tunneled on toog and noone else since the beginning. idk if this is really the kind of play I expect from town!lee

math apparently is some kind of delayed vig? but yeah d1 I was leaning scum on him because his reasoning makes no sense to me this game yet he sort of was trying to, like, bully people into just accepting it? did not feel town motivated

[wavemode]

I also don't think there is a good strategic justification for announcing that you poisoned someone. But I don't think that's scum-indicative, just bad strategy indicative. for now I'll accept the claim

[StrangeMatter]

Okay, and what are your townreads?

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you reciprocate my reasoning at all though

I had a suspicion based on Day 1 activity. I don't not disagree with your reasoning though.

I am confused by ur triple negative. Do you agree?

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, your fine.

[StrangeMatter]

Can you expand on these thoughts?

What makes Dwlee99 scum? Tbh I'd like you to expand on all of those reads.

I'll focus on the scum leans

strangematter I feel like has mostly not taken hard stances this game. just lots of "i agree with that" and "I disagree with that". it feels like fake participation

dwlee hopped on toog for some reason like "he is not even making an attempt at being game advancing" which, idk feels like a very shallow read. that is, both the notion that toog has done nothing to advance the game, and the notion that, if he hasn't, that means he is scum. both notions feel shallow. yet he's remained tunneled on toog and noone else since the beginning. idk if this is really the kind of play I expect from town!lee

math apparently is some kind of delayed vig? but yeah d1 I was leaning scum on him because his reasoning makes no sense to me this game yet he sort of was trying to, like, bully people into just accepting it? did not feel town motivated

Also, I'd like for you to expand on fake participation scumlean.

[wavemode]

I strongly dislike wavemode not giving any reasoning at all for that readlist

I dislike the number of reads that wave gave. If it had been a small number or like a single unexplained read on someone I don't think I would have minded that much, but I disliked a comprehensive list that came with nothing else.
It felt like there was a disconnect between a list that implies a strong awareness of what's happening in the game, versus a level of involvement/explanation that implies little or no awareness.

huh. really? the number of them?

if you'd said something like "I don't like the lack of transparency" I'd think, well ok I can see what you're saying, it's just a bad read

but the number? lol so just for my reference, in the future if I'm writing a reads post with no justifications added, what quantity of names is your limit? 6, 7? but 8+ names then the post is bad? where's the cutoff lol. this logic is weird

in any case, you've probably never played with me but I always drop a full list at some point, usually pretty early on. it's just how I play. even if on the surface you think I have "little to no awareness" of what's happening (in fact I often feel like I'm the only person actually reading the damn game...)

[Greeting]

Greeting / Mala
Who do you think is scum with the other person?

I'm not very sure, but I'll post whatever I have at the moment.

I think you're not, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to prompt me to look into other players, which I have neglected a bit. Maybe this is town confirmation bias, because I believe your claim and so I see your posts in a more towny way than I maybe should.

I think

JacksonVirgo

is a potential candidate and had you not poisoned them, I would have been quite willing to vote them out too. But since that happened, I think it's just about enough to say that you don't need to cure them and we just wait for them to die. There's a noticeable contrast between their behavior in Day 1 and Day 2. In Day 1 he contributed

a lot

and in Day 2 he's just posting absolute nonsense. If I were town in that position, I would probably be doing my best to either convince you to cure me or if that's not possible, at least give town something to analyse after my death. I think their reaction to being poisoned is an attempt to make everyone think that they don't care and so an attempt at reverse psychology. I say we just wait it out, perhaps that's the second scum we're looking for.

I would be willing to vote out

Cat Scratch Fever

for sheeping and pocketing

Vanderscamp

.

This is all somewhat reasonable up until the point where Greeting gets that reaction and then takes the line of "from this reaction it looks as though I was right about you faking confidence," when I feel like even in the world where Mala was scum and the confidence was not actually town indicative, Mala was VERY obviously being genuine about not faking it.
That particular stance from Greeting seems extremely disingenuous.

Greeting - they seem to be pushing people for doing weird/bizarre things that are anti-town while ignoring the town things about them --->

nullscum

Vanders - we seem to be agreeing on Mala and Greeting, which normally wouldn't sway me much in one direction or another, but I need reads that are not null so I'll bump them up a bit. 446 is annoying logic but probably NAI given the 2012 join date. interested in why dwlee is town though.

Note that

Vanderscamp

did not vote me, but

Cat Scratch Fever

used

Vanderscamp

's reasoning and then sheeped

Malakittens

into voting me. That's a great way to miseliminate town without bringing much attention to themselves.

I'll vote with mala

VOTE: Greeting

[Greeting]

At the moment I am townreading

MathBlade

and

Vanderscamp

.

I am soft townreading

StrangeMatter

and

wavemode

.

I am null or null/scum on rest.

Which means that the scums should be here:

Toogeloo
Cat Scratch Fever
MegAzumarill
Malakittens
Dwlee99
JacksonVirgo

MegAzumarill

is pinging me for not trying very hard in this game. They are a very apt player as both alignments and in my experience they're bold hunting down both scum and town. But in recent games they seem to have just lost enthusiasm. Not sure if this is AI though.

[Toogeloo]

If I were town in that position, I would probably be doing my best to either convince you to cure me or if that's not possible, at least give town something to analyse after my death.

From my experience, scum is more likely to fight their impending doom than town. I couldn't give two shots if people wanty death as town, but as scum I try to avoid being in that position to begin with.

[Greeting]

Alright, that makes sense. However what sticks out to me and something I noted throughout all this is...I noted from looking through ISO as well is that you really didn't poke or prod into that much, just kind of accused. Which is odd in a scummy way (but I still think both of you are town) that just jumped onto something you find scummy for it.

I did actually, in post 314.

[wavemode]

interested in why they think Toog and Greeting are town

I mean, greeting is obvtowning at this point but sure I can explain. I think generally I don't necessarily see scum!greeting reacting so aggressively and doubling down in 356 and subsequent posts and sort of, twisting the knife, if you will, on the personal issues mala referenced. if he's scum he probably knows that the push on mala would have much better optics if he had just called it a misunderstanding and de-escalated the matter. the knee-jerk reaction of calling mala an emotional blackmailer rather than keeping things civil, feels more likely to come from town than scum

as for toog, I townread his tone. he's reacting exactly how I've seen lots of townies react when in his position facing a d1 tunneler like mathblade. and he seems mostly just exasperated with the situation, than trying to play nice and avoid getting eliminated

[Greeting]

And what I mean is odd about it is that you didn't really prod around Malakittens with your read, which to me indicates at the minimum a fairly strong reason to point if you are right or not about solving a person's alignment.

If the fairly strong reason appears as a result of particular action, there is no fairly strong reason for me to point out before the action happens. I did, however, start looking at their actions more closely since they first interacted with my 215.

[wavemode]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 2.3

Panda fact #15:Most newborn pandas die from diseases or because the mother panda accidentally crushes them.

[2]Toogeloo:

MathBlade, Dwlee99

[2]Greeting:

Malakittens, Cat Scratch Fever

[1]Malakittens:

Greeting

[1]Dwlee99:

wavemode

[1]MegAzumarill:

StrangeMatter

[1]wavemode:

MegAzumarill

[1]Cat Scratch Fever:

JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (2):

Toogeloo, Vanderscamp

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, March 17th at 5:30ish pm CST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-03-17 19:00:00)

Imagine getting crushed by ur mother

something something "yo mama so fat she crushed you as an infant"