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VOTE: Radical Rat
Scummy entrance.

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VOTE: Radical Rat

L-2

why didnt you vote in your first two posts?

So you're saying that the entrance wasn't scummy?

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It would be indeed good if you tell us the reason. I have to agree with the bulge here. On the other hand, bulge, what's your stance on the radical rat post?

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My own opinion is that it’s a fair call-out

Aye, until the added sentence in the post below.
That one is defensive and very image-conscious. That's scummy.

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My own opinion is that it’s a fair call-out

Aye, until the added sentence in the post below.
That one is defensive and very image-conscious. That's scummy.

Who taught you to play mafia?
Being defensive and image conscious are not wolfy on their own. It is if it is absent in the player's town game, but it can very well be something present in both, particularly in high level players who are aware of their position at the table.

Yes, they are wolfy on their own. Scum players tend to do this more than town players, on average.

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My own opinion is that it’s a fair call-out

Aye, until the added sentence in the post below.
That one is defensive and very image-conscious. That's scummy.

Who taught you to play mafia?
Being defensive and image conscious are not wolfy on their own. It is if it is absent in the player's town game, but it can very well be something present in both, particularly in high level players who are aware of their position at the table.

Yes, they are wolfy on their own. Scum players tend to do this more than town players, on average.

You just contradicted yourself, you admitted that this can be present in villa play, ergo, it is not strictly wolf indicative and requires nuance. Unless you consider mafia to be an RNG game where you play for odds, in which case I think we will have much disagreement. You should consider reading your own words and the implications of them before you hit send so you don't make such foolish statements in the future.
On the bright side, I villa read you so that pleases me I can largely ignore you from this point forward.

Nearly nothing is strictly wolf indicative. That's why misyeets happen.

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You…

Please explain this in detail.

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VOTE: The Bulge

Something in your last post felt villagery, however, even though it is so convoluted and wrong. Feels more you think you got a case of the "I want to be wright", but really you are just, as I mentioned in my last post, taking a shortcut that does not ever work consistently.


You have never played with me - you should perhaps assume good faith that the action I am doing, if it can be determined as NAI, is indeed, NAI. In fact, I think many would actually improve their townplay if they didn't attack a claim just for the sake of attacking someone claiming such as in the manner I did Just a thought.

For all you know, I am a vanilla role trying to gambit my way into drawing the night 1 kill. But I digress. I am getting a bit frustrated with how I am being treated by several people and feel this discussion is easily making it possible for wolves to blend in at this point and hyperfocus my slot.

Reread it, something feels off with ShadowGirl in her latest post - @ShadowGirl, would you mind posting a reads list so far for us? Just a ranked list, doesn't need to be fancy. I would like to prod into your thought processes. It is not because of the fact I am the one being attacked - before you try to accuse me of that. I have my own reasons and they revolve over how you fit this bill I feel for a wolf who is attempting to blend into this nonsense mech discussion. There's a lot of "uncertainty" that comes off as disingenuous

to me

, such as the first sentence trailing off as a question, as if seeking validation for the point. Reminding me however how much I hate the early game because of all the stretches one has to make to progress the gamestate especially when not everyone has been particularly active.

"It is anti-town ergo wolfy"
Heard this one a million times, imagine my shock when it is actually a terrible way to sort someone.

Your statement about scum not worrying about the nightkill is extremely nonsensical. I can fullclaim at any time and bury you if you want to continue spewing nonsense, RR, would you like that?

I might be completely off here, but that first post(that is actually the second, chronologically) seems to push someone for antitown behaviour to me. The other post is directed against behaviour like that...

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You…

Please explain this in detail.

Why were you interested in this?

Because there was obviously info that you did not divulge to us unnecessarily? Because asking that allowed me to get a better grip on your reasoning?

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VOTE: The Bulge

Something in your last post felt villagery, however, even though it is so convoluted and wrong. Feels more you think you got a case of the "I want to be wright", but really you are just, as I mentioned in my last post, taking a shortcut that does not ever work consistently.


You have never played with me - you should perhaps assume good faith that the action I am doing, if it can be determined as NAI, is indeed, NAI. In fact, I think many would actually improve their townplay if they didn't attack a claim just for the sake of attacking someone claiming such as in the manner I did Just a thought.

For all you know, I am a vanilla role trying to gambit my way into drawing the night 1 kill. But I digress. I am getting a bit frustrated with how I am being treated by several people and feel this discussion is easily making it possible for wolves to blend in at this point and hyperfocus my slot.

Reread it, something feels off with ShadowGirl in her latest post - @ShadowGirl, would you mind posting a reads list so far for us? Just a ranked list, doesn't need to be fancy. I would like to prod into your thought processes. It is not because of the fact I am the one being attacked - before you try to accuse me of that. I have my own reasons and they revolve over how you fit this bill I feel for a wolf who is attempting to blend into this nonsense mech discussion. There's a lot of "uncertainty" that comes off as disingenuous

to me

, such as the first sentence trailing off as a question, as if seeking validation for the point. Reminding me however how much I hate the early game because of all the stretches one has to make to progress the gamestate especially when not everyone has been particularly active.

"It is anti-town ergo wolfy"
Heard this one a million times, imagine my shock when it is actually a terrible way to sort someone.

Your statement about scum not worrying about the nightkill is extremely nonsensical. I can fullclaim at any time and bury you if you want to continue spewing nonsense, RR, would you like that?

I might be completely off here, but that first post(that is actually the second, chronologically) seems to push someone for antitown behaviour to me. The other post is directed against behaviour like that...

Ok, I am not off this time, good to know.
VOTE: Koopashell

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It is embarassing from some of the players to assume that I have acted in bad faith, notably NK15, who has essentially acted the role of a 3rd wolf.
I'm disappointed.

No, what's embarassing is that, if you are indeed town, you:
-claimed a confirmable and powerful role way too early, falsely assuming it to be a low power role
-Criticized pushing for anti-town behaviour because it is anti-town, then did it yourself - a very scummy behaviour.

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You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.
It is a bad swingy role.

No, your play and mechanical understanding are

bad

. Terribly bad.
If you criticize behaviour A and then do A later then

you

need to stop behaviour A or stop criticizing it.
In this case, it is indeed a matter how townies should behave. You can find scum by finding inconsistencies in their reasoning that point towards them trying to get someone executed instead of trying to get scum executed. Sometimes, town do display this behaviour. As I said... it is a matter of probabilities.
And now on bad play, yes, what you did is bad. You told someone to stop pushing for antitown behaviour just because it is anti-town

then you pushed someone for antitown behaviour because it was anti-town.

Please take a moment to step back and think: Would you, if I said "Behaviour A isn't scummy" and then later said about someone else "Behaviour A is scummy" think this likely comes from

town

?
That's

lying about motivations for townreads/scumreads

.

Now to that ridiculous assumption that Novice Desperado in a 9 players game is somehow so weak that you can announce it early.
Used wisely, it can help town tremendously in some situation, it depends on the setup a bit, too.
Let me show you how it can alter the chances of hitting scum.
6 players MeLo:
The game either descends into 5 players ELo with one confirmed town or a 5 players 4:1 with a Desperado
4 players MeLo:
on random execute, chance to hit scum is 25%. With desperado, the chance to hit scum is

75%

!
3 players ELo:
scum hit chance is upped to 50%, from 33%.
Desperado is a role that needs to used carefully. If it is, however, it can greatly assist town. Announcing it before absolutely necessary is simply terrible play.

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I actually have a >60% winrate as both alignments in both vanilla-esque and role heavy setups, you should not try to lecture me thanks.

On this site? Because other sites don't matter much.

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Explain your reads, STD.

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koopa's town read is explained

gamma i'm not sure about anymore

kdcaspot is for 95 i don't think scum tries to defend me for being on V/LA. it's possible but seems more likely scum would just sit back and say nothing

The rest is null atm?

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Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now

You expected wrong

Not_Mafia, what are your reads?

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I might have something for you, Not_Mafia.

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Are you still here, Not_Mafia?

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Hmmm.... no quick reply by STD...

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VOTE: Save the Dragons

E-1!

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If I had any doubt that you were a willager player, I have 0 doubts now.

What's the problem?

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UNVOTE:

Please vote again.

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Unrelated to present discussion, but it occurs to me you may not know this and it's important...

Not_Mafia WILL hammer if you put someone to E-1, regardless of alignment. Please be careful when doing so

I know. Do you have anything against a quickhammer?

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God damn it I missed my chance

I wonder if that was intentional...
If std flips scum this one is next.

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God damn it I missed my chance

I wonder if that was intentional...
If std flips scum this one is next.

Based on what?

Not Mafia was obviously here, yet only reacted after a significant amount of time. If not mafia is scum with std intentional not hammering immediately is the only way for them to win, unless they survive.

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I wasn't here, I was eating

Hmmm yeah ok.

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I think Gamma Emerald is incredibly villagery.

That’s based on what?

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VOTE: Not Known 15

Been thinking on it for a while, and that supposition that N_M not constantly refreshing the page to drop hammers in an instant was indicative of an StD/N_M scumteam... I don't like it, not one bit.

That's probably because I was a bit overconfident.

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VOTE: ShadowGirl
Not gonna lie, I wanna kill this.
I thought about this for a bit and this is the wolfiest slot in the game so far. I'll be happy to ellaborate on this when I'm not phoneposting.

Can you please also elaborate on your strong Gamma townread, then?

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VOTE: ShadowGirl
Not gonna lie, I wanna kill this.
I thought about this for a bit and this is the wolfiest slot in the game so far. I'll be happy to ellaborate on this when I'm not phoneposting.

Can you please also elaborate on your strong Gamma townread, then?

I don't know if you haven't noticed but I'm not interacting with you anymore. I have found you as villa and I have no further use for you as a player who stubbornly won't listen to the logic I do have for gamma. I think Gamma is town and that will hold enough weight to prevent their elimination before LyLo

What if I survive to elo and vote gamma because you didn't elaborate?
@everyone else please ask koopa to explain the gamma read

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intent to E-1 ShadowGirl

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VOTE: ShadowGirl

E-1

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Good nightkill.