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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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If you are unable to have the ability to try to think outside of the box in terms of how villagers act and instead project your idea on how they should act you will often fail to find wolves and that will reflect in your accuracy.
What I did at game start was frankly, ridiculous that people focused on it, and even moreso - assumed it was a *scum gambit*. I really would hope that was done because actual wolves do this on this site and not some self serving assumption on how you think villagers need to play the game.-
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do you have any input that isn't shallow?In post 123, Save The Dragons wrote:what a surprising turn of events<Embrace The Void>
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No, your play and mechanical understanding areIn post 124, koopashell wrote:You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.
It is a bad swingy role.bad. Terribly bad.
If you criticize behaviour A and then do A later thenyouneed to stop behaviour A or stop criticizing it.
In this case, it is indeed a matter how townies should behave. You can find scum by finding inconsistencies in their reasoning that point towards them trying to get someone executed instead of trying to get scum executed. Sometimes, town do display this behaviour. As I said... it is a matter of probabilities.
And now on bad play, yes, what you did is bad. You told someone to stop pushing for antitown behaviour just because it is anti-townthen you pushed someone for antitown behaviour because it was anti-town.Please take a moment to step back and think: Would you, if I said "Behaviour A isn't scummy" and then later said about someone else "Behaviour A is scummy" think this likely comes fromtown?
That'slying about motivations for townreads/scumreads.
Now to that ridiculous assumption that Novice Desperado in a 9 players game is somehow so weak that you can announce it early.
Used wisely, it can help town tremendously in some situation, it depends on the setup a bit, too.
Let me show you how it can alter the chances of hitting scum.
6 players MeLo:
The game either descends into 5 players ELo with one confirmed town or a 5 players 4:1 with a Desperado
4 players MeLo:
on random execute, chance to hit scum is 25%. With desperado, the chance to hit scum is75%!
3 players ELo:
scum hit chance is upped to 50%, from 33%.
Desperado is a role that needs to used carefully. If it is, however, it can greatly assist town. Announcing it before absolutely necessary is simply terrible play.-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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Didn't Read+L+RatioIn post 129, Not Known 15 wrote:
No, your play and mechanical understanding areIn post 124, koopashell wrote:You wouldn't be able to find actual wolfy behavior if it smacked you in the face.
It is a bad swingy role.bad. Terribly bad.
If you criticize behaviour A and then do A later thenyouneed to stop behaviour A or stop criticizing it.
In this case, it is indeed a matter how townies should behave. You can find scum by finding inconsistencies in their reasoning that point towards them trying to get someone executed instead of trying to get scum executed. Sometimes, town do display this behaviour. As I said... it is a matter of probabilities.
And now on bad play, yes, what you did is bad. You told someone to stop pushing for antitown behaviour just because it is anti-townthen you pushed someone for antitown behaviour because it was anti-town.Please take a moment to step back and think: Would you, if I said "Behaviour A isn't scummy" and then later said about someone else "Behaviour A is scummy" think this likely comes fromtown?
That'slying about motivations for townreads/scumreads.
Now to that ridiculous assumption that Novice Desperado in a 9 players game is somehow so weak that you can announce it early.
Used wisely, it can help town tremendously in some situation, it depends on the setup a bit, too.
Let me show you how it can alter the chances of hitting scum.
6 players MeLo:
The game either descends into 5 players ELo with one confirmed town or a 5 players 4:1 with a Desperado
4 players MeLo:
on random execute, chance to hit scum is 25%. With desperado, the chance to hit scum is75%!
3 players ELo:
scum hit chance is upped to 50%, from 33%.
Desperado is a role that needs to used carefully. If it is, however, it can greatly assist town. Announcing it before absolutely necessary is simply terrible play.-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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On this site? Because other sites don't matter much.In post 131, koopashell wrote:I actually have a >60% winrate as both alignments in both vanilla-esque and role heavy setups, you should not try to lecture me thanks.-
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I think this is a discussion that would probably be better to have in the postgame. Unless you still think koopashell could be scum gambiting hard here, but judging by your unvote I don't think that's the case.-
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Maybe a little but I feel like a side piece to this koopashell situation rnIn post 128, Save The Dragons wrote:do you?<Embrace The Void>
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I don’t like that they’re so sparseIn post 137, Save The Dragons wrote:so do you not like my reads? or what
Also, why is it weird that I’m voting you?<Embrace The Void>
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koopa's town read is explained
gamma i'm not sure about anymore
kdcaspot is for 95 i don't think scum tries to defend me for being on V/LA. it's possible but seems more likely scum would just sit back and say nothing-
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You expected wrongIn post 117, Radical Rat wrote:UNVOTE:
Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by nowAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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The rest is null atm?In post 140, Save The Dragons wrote:koopa's town read is explained
gamma i'm not sure about anymore
kdcaspot is for 95 i don't think scum tries to defend me for being on V/LA. it's possible but seems more likely scum would just sit back and say nothing-
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koopashell They/ThemGoonThey/Them
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In post 144, Not_Mafia wrote:
You expected wrongIn post 117, Radical Rat wrote:UNVOTE:
Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now-
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Not_Mafia, what are your reads?In post 144, Not_Mafia wrote:
You expected wrongIn post 117, Radical Rat wrote:UNVOTE:
Hopefully some kind of protective role exists, because I would very much like for you to be able to actually use that desperado if it's true. And if it's not true, that will indeed become self-evident.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
I would've expected at least SOMETHING from him by now-
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I think RadRat knows better than to push a day 1 utility elim on meAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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