Mini 699: Insane Asylum Mafia: Game Over

[Electra]

Wow, this is the first time I've viewed a counterclaim of miller.

I'm not sure what to make of this.

[Pentadragon]

I repost this.

It's bastardly, but it's on the nice end for bastardly.

Is it possible that pop might not be a Death Miller and still be telling the truth? Maybe we just have a Bastard Mod on our hands. This is

Insane

Asylum Mafia after all. Maybe pop only thinks he is a Death Miller.

Does anyone remember rule three?

3) Rule 3 is merely a visual hallucination.

[populartajo]

Unvote, Vote Populartajo

I am a miller...and while there could obviously be more than one miller and your flavor seems to indicate death miller, our flavors are not similar in the least. In fact, mine doesn't really have any flavor at all, it is more or less a definition of what a miller is.

Well, Im intrigued by this post. I dont think that our flavors should fit because you're saying that you're only a miller. But its interesting how there is not flavour in your role. This could get problematic but I think everybody else has flavour in their roles, right?
Also, WTF 2 millers? If true, then I dont imagine how did FL balance this.
I dont think Juls is scum, though. It would be totally ridiculous to out himself at this point (D1) to lynch me.
Unless he had the time to craft an incredible gambit.
So dont know what to make of this.
We can start by the flavour to know if he's lying. Everybody has flavor in their roles, right?

[Juls]

The flavor still bothers me. My flavor was much closer to the sample town role. In fact the town sample had more flavor than mine. But his flavor seems to be over compensating.

[StrangerCoug]

Well, Im intrigued by this post. I dont think that our flavors should fit because you're saying that you're only a miller. But its interesting how there is not flavour in your role. This could get problematic but I think everybody else has flavour in their roles, right?

I don't see any flavor in my role either. I may or may not be vanilla (even though the vanilla townie role PM lacks flavor), but you can't incriminate someone simply because they claimed there is no flavor in their role.

Unvote: The mini theme queue
Vote: populartajo

[Mirth]

...seriously? i didnt actually expect him to claim death miller or for there to be a counter claim...wow...one of them is either a bold liar or forbiddan is evil.

llama, what do you think of all this now

[Juls]

I repost this.

It's bastardly, but it's on the nice end for bastardly.

Is it possible that pop might not be a Death Miller and still be telling the truth? Maybe we just have a Bastard Mod on our hands. This is

Insane

Asylum Mafia after all. Maybe pop only thinks he is a Death Miller.

Does anyone remember rule three?

3) Rule 3 is merely a visual hallucination.

She said she took the rules from Tarhalindur with some modifications. According to the following, rule 3 was: "Claiming that another player is your scumbuddy will result in a modkill."

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0

So my guess is she just eliminated it because she didn't want that rule and wanted to maintain the numbering.

[Pentadragon]

Ah, my apologies. Please ignore that then.

[populartajo]

Uhhh the townie PM has flavor or there is something Im missing?
And I said that its very unlikely that Juls is scum outing himself to lynch me unless he tried an incredible gambit. I only want to know why there isnt flavor in his role and only a role explication when my PM and the townie PM has some flavor in it?

FOS: SC.

That last post is a big misinterpretation of what is happening here.

[Juls]

<====female

[Pentadragon]

<====female

Do you have any proof to support this claim?

[Juls]

Yes...she is 2 years old, loud, messy, and hatched out of me after 24 hours of labor a couple years ago.

[LlamaFluff]

llama, what do you think of all this now

I am completely confused. I have been on this site for about half a year and this is the first time I have been in a game that had a miller claim (let alone a counter). I have seen an SK claim D2, have seen survivors, hidden day vigs, but never this.

Now, I know FL from offsite and we joined at about the same time. I also know that she basically idolized Tar and has the complete potential to be a bastard mod. I can completely see both of these players being millers, even more so since they are different flavor of miller.

I have never played with Jules before, and have no completed game with tajo so I dont have a meta of what either of them would of wouldnt do. It makes it even more confusing since we actually do not know if tajo is lying or not in his claim even if we lynch him, which is the downfall of the death miller.

If there was only one miller, I think that it would be tajo actually. My main reasoning from this comes from the game where I met FL offsite (so outguessing the mod) we were scum and joking around with the mod asking to make one strong town player who was getting blindsided a death miller.

I really think that both of the players are millers though. Playing from here like we would play a normal game is the best move, we take the claims with a grain of salt and just move on. We are stuck if we try to lynch, as lets look at the scenarios we can have. This does not mean we cant lynch tajo/jules, we just dont because of this claim. No matter what we do, tajo is guarenteed to flip scum. The only way it may be determineable that he is scum is if he is power scum. If we are lynching for information (which we shouldnt), we dont lynch tajo, as it gives us none. That leaves Jules, and what happens if she flips miller? We lynch tajo? There could be two millers. FL is evil.

So I say we dont lynch a miller today. I would rather lynch someone advocating the lynch of tajo as we will gain zero information off that lynch, and let scum pick someone to kill at will.

Given that penta asked for a response from tajo in 48 and got it in 52 and has posted without responding given his opinions I will leave my vote there.

FoS SC

though for trying to get someone whos flip will give us no information lynched though.

[farside22]

I still go by not buying the claims out the bat and judging players by their actions. With that said two claimed millers is a dozy and something I can't even comprehend.
Llama I'm not sure why you are against lynching either player. Shouldn't it be based on how they play and how much they scum hunt then their claim.
I will be honest I'ved played around with the idea of claiming miller as scum in the back of my head so to me a day 1 claim is not a glowing endorsement of town. I can't be the only person who's had that thought.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama I'm not sure why you are against lynching either player. Shouldn't it be based on how they play and how much they scum hunt then their claim.

[This does not mean we cant lynch tajo/jules, we just dont because of this claim.

I probably should of made that the starting sentance of a paragraph. My point is we shouldnt lynch for information given tajos claim. If he is scum, we wont know it, if he is town, we wont know it. If we think he is scum at some point, yes we lynch him. We dont lynch someone that is

guarenteed

to flip scum though unless there are some concrete reasons.

[StrangerCoug]

FOS: SC.

That last post is a big misinterpretation of what is happening here.

Didn't you yourself ask about the lack of flavor in Juls's role? I don't understand the accusation, especially given your saying this in the post I quoted:

We can start by the flavour to know if he's lying. Everybody has flavor in their roles, right?

You don't believe Juls is scum according to earlier that post despite having the same role as you, yet you are asking if we can use flavor to prove he's lying? This is something I don't understand either.

[Juls]

<====female /cry

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry.

[Corvuus]

Mirth, my friend:
I have no PR; just pretend.

Fairly Crazy, Fairly Sane,
....Rhyming hurts my brain.

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Two millers, rowing down the stream
quite insane; it fits the theme.
but by chance is it impossible to dream,
that both be mafia, gambling the extreme?

Hard to fathom, hard to gleam;
Such a difficult scheme!;
would make any role wish to scream!

[forbiddanlight]

She said she took the rules from Tarhalindur with some modifications. According to the following, rule 3 was: "Claiming that another player is your scumbuddy will result in a modkill."

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0

So my guess is she just eliminated it because she didn't want that rule and wanted to maintain the numbering.

No, actually, mostly it's the concept behind the rules I stole, such as deadline and voting rules, as well as how vote counts are done. It's nothing that clever. Realize I said LOOSELY stolen.

Also, I suppose a vote count would be nice, ne?

[forbiddanlight]

The Second "Schizophrenic" Vote Count

"Schizophrenia is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking with significant social or occupational dysfunction."

farside22 (0):
Crazy (0)
StrangerCoug (0)
Juls (0)
Pentadragon (1): llamafluff
Mirth (1): Stef
Llamafluff (1): Mirth
Corvuus (0)
Stef (0)
Populartajo (2): Juls, StrangerCoug
Mana_Ku (0)
Electra (1): Corvuus
forbiddanlight (2): Crazy, populartajo
tree (1): Electra


Not Voting (1): Mana_Ku

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is in three weeks at 11 PM EST, Wednesday, November 19th

MOD NOTE:

In the future, I would like paraphrases of roles, real or fake, to be run by me before posting them. This inspires me to steal Tar's jackassery rule, so expect that up tomorrow morning. This is not a retroactive ruling but an oversight.

[Mana_Ku]

Vote Juls

The miller claim actually has flavour. I'm going to PM forbiddanlight a summary of my role PM to see if I may post that.
I hope Juls will do the same.

Also Juls, get used to it. Many players call me 'he' or 'him' as well.

[Juls]

Are you claiming to be miller as well? I will PM her if you like but it is pretty much just a definition of a miller.

[Mana_Ku]

Well, if I'm not a miller then what's the point of summarising my role PM to show that the miller role has a flavour?
So yes, I'm claiming miller.

[LlamaFluff]

This is offically insane...

MK - Death miller or regular miller?